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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 amA lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Again, that which ONLY apparently appears to ASSUME and BELIEVE ...NEVER assumed or believed anything... EVER.

Again WRONG.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amHow many more times would you like this information repeated to you...will 500 more times be enough?

But WHY just keep repeating WRONG information? Just so 'you' KNOW 'you' exist? Which was your logic and conclusion before.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amWithout you there is no me,

So, now there is two. But before there is no 'you', as there is only SELF.

How many times are you going to keep talking before you STOP contradicting 'your' self?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amand that's all that is going on here..you to me and me to you, it's how the play plays.

But as I keep telling you IT DOES NOT HAVE TO. There is a much simpler AND easier way to explain what it is that you are 'trying to' explain.

How many times does this NEED to be told to you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThe screen and the contents of screen may seem to appear to exist as two ...but is only one.

Yet 'you' just said without 'me' there is no 'you'. Just ANOTHER contradiction in the story telling of "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThere is no screen without the movie, and no movie without the screen.

So what?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amI throw the ball and you catch it. And vice versa. It's no big HUGE deal.

Yet the deal is 'you' sometimes say there is only SELF, while at other times 'you' say there is a 'you' and a 'me'. When will 'you' STOP being so completely contradictory and wrong?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amAnd stop saying ''you human beings'' when you know full well, that the real self is not human.

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Yes the Real Self is NOT a human being, OBVIOUSLY. But WHY does that mean 'I' should stop talking to 'you', human beings, and saying 'you', human beings?

'your' comment just now explains a GREAT DEAL about WHY 'you' do NOT yet Truly understand this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:55 am
But it is NOT unavoidable at all. This can ALL be understood AND explained in very simple and NON contradictory terms.

It is unavoidable when the word ''contradiction'' is used,

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 am for that usage in it's very usage is creating the idea of contradiction existing when it does not exist in nature AT ALL.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 amAnd yes, SELF can be understood in very simple and non-contradictory terms, in that the understanding is tacit.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 amAs soon as one attemps to explain the tacit in words it becomes contradictory, unavoidably so, as words are dual by their very nature.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 amPlease try to understand this simple understanding.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 amWhen tacit self wants to come out to play, it uses words.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:08 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 am

No, truth has no voice, it's silent.

Yet, here is "dontaskme" continually speaking, and saying that they KNOW thee truth.

Nope, there is no one speaking, there's just words appearing on the blank screen of your consciousness appearing as a speaking person who wants to understand itself or not.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAgain, that which appears to speak in the form of words, language and knowledge.. NEVER EVER SPOKE
a single word...did you forget that I've said this to you before?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amPlease try and understand that 'you', "dontaskme", are only confusing 'that', which REALLY is just VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to explain and understand. There IS, contrary to your BELIEF, nothing hard NOR complex in Life.

Please try to understand that this ''dontaskme character'' only exists as a word appearing in your consciousness,

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amand that this character has no existence apart or separate from your consciousness.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am No more than the character ''Homer Simpson'' in a tv show exists spearate from the consciousness that is viewing that character

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am...Until you get that simple realisation fixed in you mind,

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amyou will keep believing that this character dontaskme actually exists as a real thing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amPlease believe me

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amwhen I tell you there is nothing outside of your own consciousness except what is apparently appearing to be outside it, but is actually your own consciousness appearing to be outside itself as a characterised image.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am And then try to remember that the characterised image out-there, is only your own reflection looking back at you, for you as consciousness have no image of yourself without that image that appears to be out-there to mirror back to you, else you do not exist..please try to understand what I am showing you, in that everyone you believe to exist out-there, is just your own mirror reflecting back at you.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
So, 'your' claim that "truth has no voice" is only an appearance, which NEVER made a claim EVER, correct?

Correct, that which appears to make a claim never did...why do you always want things that have been said to you a million times already, repeated back to you, what is wrong with you, have you lost your memory?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amJust maybe 'I' KNOW and UNDERSTAND far more than 'you' do. Is that even a possibility to the 'you'?

NO, you do not know and understand more than me, you only think you do.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAnd the thought thing is just an illusion anyway, so it concerns me not what you think or believe, for I already know and understand SELF...and so it matters not what you think or believe otherwise.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amHow many times do you want me to repeat that to you, would 500 more times be enough?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amOr could it be that 'we' UNDERSTAND just as much as each "other", but 'we' use different words to explain things?

Yes probably, yes, we are probably understanding the same understanding but using different words to express our same understanding.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amAlso, whenever 'you' are challenged or questioned about what 'you' say, why do 'you' inevitably twist things around and come back with some off comment remark, instead of just LOOKING AT what is being said to 'you'.

Well, I could say the same thing about you, so no big surprise there.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amIs your whole goal here, in this forum, to just appear as though you KNOW the Truth of things, and that 'you' are the ONLY one?

I have no goal or agenda here, you seem to have a very short memory also...I have stated umpteen times already that I come to this forum because I enjoy talking to and about thee nondual self. That's about all there is to it, I enjoy this activity, else I wouldn't do it...please just try to accept that.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAlso, I have never once thought I am the only one who knows and understands the SELF...SO stop projecting that on me, which is only your own thought out assumed belief onto me as if it was mine, for it is not..

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:53 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:08 am

Yet, here is "dontaskme" continually speaking, and saying that they KNOW thee truth.

Nope, there is no one speaking, there's just words appearing on the blank screen of your consciousness appearing as a speaking person who wants to understand itself or not.

Who and/or what wants to understand itself?

I ALREADY KNOW thy Self.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAgain, that which appears to speak in the form of words, language and knowledge.. NEVER EVER SPOKE
a single word...did you forget that I've said this to you before?

I do NOT care what you have said previously. This is because when I ask you to clarify or explain 'you' say that 'you' can NOT clarify NOR explain. Therefore, it does NOT matter what you have said before.

If that 'self' can not explain its self, then that infers that it does NOT really understand what is said.

Did 'you' forget that what is said IS 'you'? And, if 'you' do NOT yet KNOW 'you', then you certainly do NOT know thy True Self.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amPlease try and understand that 'you', "dontaskme", are only confusing 'that', which REALLY is just VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to explain and understand. There IS, contrary to your BELIEF, nothing hard NOR complex in Life.

Please try to understand that this ''dontaskme character'' only exists as a word appearing in your consciousness,

'you' would first HAVE TO explain what is meant when it is stated 'your' AND 'consciousness'. What is the 'thing' which supposedly has 'consciousness'? What is 'consciousness'? Where is this 'thing' (the 'your') which has 'consciousness'? If this "dontaskme" character can NOT explain this in very simple and easy terms, then that is just MORE evidence that this "dontaskme" character REALLY has NO idea about what is said.

Also, please understand that I KNOW exactly who, what, why, and where this "dontaskme" character IS. I also KNOW how this "dontaskme" character came to be. Now, unlike this "donataskme" character I CAN completely back up and substantiate what I claim.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amand that this character has no existence apart or separate from your consciousness.

Would you like to 'try' and explain what 'your consciousness' ACTUALLY MEANS?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am No more than the character ''Homer Simpson'' in a tv show exists spearate from the consciousness that is viewing that character

How many 'consciousness' is this "dontaskme" character suggests exist?

LOOK please understand that I ALREADY KNOW what 'you' are 'trying to' say. 'you' are just repeating very old views on this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am...Until you get that simple realisation fixed in you mind,

Once again, another human being using the 'mind' word, in connection with the 'your' word. Now, words are being used, but can the understanding of these words be SHOWN. If so, then do it. Otherwise I will take it that 'you' have NO idea what a 'mind' actually IS and how a 'mind' exists in relation to a 'your'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amyou will keep believing that this character dontaskme actually exists as a real thing.

And how many times does it take for this "dontaskme" character to catch on that 'I' do NOT believe any thing?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amPlease believe me

Please listen to ME. I do NOT believe any thing, so I will NOT just start to believe any thing, including 'you', just because you ask or want 'me' to.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amwhen I tell you there is nothing outside of your own consciousness except what is apparently appearing to be outside it, but is actually your own consciousness appearing to be outside itself as a characterised image.

Once again, WHY does this "dontaskme" make what is essential VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to understand seem so complex and hard to understand?

Also, WHY is it so important for what is said, under the disguise of this "dontaskme" character, to be accepted and agreed with? It is like this "dontaskme" character is NOTHING AT ALL if it is NOT heard, NOT listened to, and NOT accepted and NOT agreed with 100%.

When 'I' tell 'you' some thing, do 'you' listen to it?

If no, then WHY do 'you' expect "others" to listen to 'you'?

'you' have SHOWN that 'you' are completely incapable of listening. But 'you' BELIEVE so strongly that what is said is 100% true and correct, therefore what is said under the disguise of "dontaskme" SHOULD be HEARD and ACCEPTED.

The contradictory nature of 'you', human beings, never ceases to amaze.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am And then try to remember that the characterised image out-there, is only your own reflection looking back at you, for you as consciousness have no image of yourself without that image that appears to be out-there to mirror back to you, else you do not exist..please try to understand what I am showing you, in that everyone you believe to exist out-there, is just your own mirror reflecting back at you.

Please understand that ALL OF THIS is OLD KNOWLEDGE, and thus ALREADY KNOWN. Please also understand that the way it is explained from the "dontaskme" character is VERY OLD and the cause of WHY 'you', human beings, still can NOT SEE and GRASP thee actual Truth of things yet.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
So, 'your' claim that "truth has no voice" is only an appearance, which NEVER made a claim EVER, correct?

Correct, that which appears to make a claim never did...why do you always want things that have been said to you a million times already, repeated back to you, what is wrong with you, have you lost your memory?

I do this so that IF you answer, then the CONTRADICTION is even CLEARER. This is to make sure that I am NOT putting words in "your mouth". But where the words come from exactly are KNOWN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amJust maybe 'I' KNOW and UNDERSTAND far more than 'you' do. Is that even a possibility to the 'you'?

NO, you do not know and understand more than me, you only think you do.

LOL instead of being at all OPEN 'you' JUMP straight into an ASSUMPTION, which, by the way, could not be MORE WRONG.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAnd the thought thing is just an illusion anyway, so it concerns me not what you think or believe, for I already know and understand SELF...and so it matters not what you think or believe otherwise.

Any human being can say they understand any thing. But to back this up, then they have to SHOW this. 'you' have FAILED EVERY time to SHOW that 'you' Truly understand any of this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amHow many times do you want me to repeat that to you, would 500 more times be enough?

WHY do you ask the most ridiculous questions?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amOr could it be that 'we' UNDERSTAND just as much as each "other", but 'we' use different words to explain things?

Yes probably, yes, we are probably understanding the same understanding but using different words to express our same understanding.

Finally I get 'you' to SEE what I have been saying from the outset.

But, from previous conversations, this will inevitably change.

The difference with 'us' is 'you' BELIEVE that explaining this Self with words is IMPOSSIBLE. Whereas, to 'me' explaining this Self with words is very simple and very easy indeed.

'you' BELIEVE that words will only cause disconnection, whereas I KNOW words can cause Unity.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amAlso, whenever 'you' are challenged or questioned about what 'you' say, why do 'you' inevitably twist things around and come back with some off comment remark, instead of just LOOKING AT what is being said to 'you'.

Well, I could say the same thing about you, so no big surprise there.

In regards to what exactly?

I KNOW what 'you' are talking about. I have just moved on way past that, and want to keep moving forward.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amIs your whole goal here, in this forum, to just appear as though you KNOW the Truth of things, and that 'you' are the ONLY one?

I have no goal or agenda here, you seem to have a very short memory also...I have stated umpteen times already that I come to this forum because I enjoy talking to and about thee nondual self. That's about all there is to it, I enjoy this activity, else I wouldn't do it...please just try to accept that.

Okay, then WHY NOT talk about thee nondual Self, instead of talking about some thing that is NOT thee nondual Self?

If you WANT to talk about some thing and claim that you KNOW it, then it would be better if you could substantiate your claims in some sort of fashion. You have, however, and to your credit, admitted that you have absolutely NO idea how to explain 'that', which is essentially very simple and easy to explain AND substantiate.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:41 amAlso, I have never once thought I am the only one who knows and understands the SELF...SO stop projecting that on me, which is only your own thought out assumed belief onto me as if it was mine, for it is not..

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'you' are so BLIND that you can NOT even SEE a Truly OPEN clarifying question posed to 'you' without ASSUMING and BELIEVING that it is some thing else.

Read my question again. There is NO projecting, NO assuming AND NO believing whatsoever. There is just a Truly OPEN question. Just because 'you' BELIEVE otherwise will NOT make it so.

By the way, IF 'you' enjoy talking to and about "thee nondual self", then who and what is "thee nondual self".

Tell thee nondual self who and what it IS, and let 'us' SEE if 'you' get the feedback that you WANT and SEEK from "thee nondual self".

From what 'I' have observed 'you' will NOT like what "thee nondual self" informs 'you'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:37 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 am

Again, that which apparently appears to play with itself, NEVER plays, or EVER PLAYED.



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So, once again, when 'you' are SHOWN the Truth, then 'you' will just contradict what you have previously stated, as though it does not matter at all now.

So again, I have no idea what the heck you are going on about now, for me, the contradiction is unavoidable,

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am since oneness appearing as the many IS unavoidably a contradiction.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am What on earth are you trying to achieve with all this constant back and forth shit?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 amIf your answer is nothing, then shut the shit up, and give your lips a rest from their constant wagging.



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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 am


Again, that which ONLY apparently appears to ASSUME and BELIEVE ...NEVER assumed or believed anything... EVER.

Again WRONG.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amHow many more times would you like this information repeated to you...will 500 more times be enough?

But WHY just keep repeating WRONG information? Just so 'you' KNOW 'you' exist? Which was your logic and conclusion before.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amWithout you there is no me,

So, now there is two. But before there is no 'you', as there is only SELF.

How many times are you going to keep talking before you STOP contradicting 'your' self?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amand that's all that is going on here..you to me and me to you, it's how the play plays.

But as I keep telling you IT DOES NOT HAVE TO. There is a much simpler AND easier way to explain what it is that you are 'trying to' explain.

How many times does this NEED to be told to you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThe screen and the contents of screen may seem to appear to exist as two ...but is only one.

Yet 'you' just said without 'me' there is no 'you'. Just ANOTHER contradiction in the story telling of "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThere is no screen without the movie, and no movie without the screen.

So what?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amI throw the ball and you catch it. And vice versa. It's no big HUGE deal.

Yet the deal is 'you' sometimes say there is only SELF, while at other times 'you' say there is a 'you' and a 'me'. When will 'you' STOP being so completely contradictory and wrong?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amAnd stop saying ''you human beings'' when you know full well, that the real self is not human.

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Yes the Real Self is NOT a human being, OBVIOUSLY. But WHY does that mean 'I' should stop talking to 'you', human beings, and saying 'you', human beings?

'your' comment just now explains a GREAT DEAL about WHY 'you' do NOT yet Truly understand this.

Notice that when you poke your tongue out at a mirror, the mirror will reflect that back to you, it's just what the mirror does.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amThe MIRROR is NEVER EVER WRONG - NOR CAN THE MIRROR EVER LIE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amAnd that's the truth that does not want to be heard.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amWhat does NOT want to be heard is when thee True Self tells 'you', the human being known as "dontaskme", that what is said is WRONG, and that what is 'trying to' be explained can be explained in a much simpler and much easier way than is being doing now, correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amPlease stop telling me what I already KNOW

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 am....Please get over yourself. YOU ARE SO TEDIOUS AND BORING.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:02 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:37 am

So, once again, when 'you' are SHOWN the Truth, then 'you' will just contradict what you have previously stated, as though it does not matter at all now.

So again, I have no idea what the heck you are going on about now, for me, the contradiction is unavoidable,

Is saying this just an attempt at "justifying" that, which is obviously WRONG?

If 'you' can not avoid contradiction what that 'self' writes, then WHY write?

I can VERY EASILY avoid contradiction what 'I' write. Why can 'you' NOT?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am since oneness appearing as the many IS unavoidably a contradiction.

But this is NOT a contradiction at all.

This is exactly HOW things work naturally, and HOW and WHY 'you', human beings, will end up living in Unity living peacefully together, in Heaven with with and as God. FULLY understanding Oneness leads to this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 am What on earth are you trying to achieve with all this constant back and forth shit?

'you' OBVIOUSLY could answer this question, which you would inevitably agree that 'you' posed to 'you'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 amIf your answer is nothing, then shut the shit up, and give your lips a rest from their constant wagging.



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LOL

Coming from the one that can NOT substantiate at all what it claims is true.

Saying that 'you' can NOT avoid contradicting 'your' 'own' 'self', would explain WHY 'you' are constantly back and forth with 'your' 'own' 'self'.

The words are 'you', and it is written that they are speaking to "thee nondual self".

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:12 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 am

Again WRONG.



But WHY just keep repeating WRONG information? Just so 'you' KNOW 'you' exist? Which was your logic and conclusion before.



So, now there is two. But before there is no 'you', as there is only SELF.

How many times are you going to keep talking before you STOP contradicting 'your' self?



But as I keep telling you IT DOES NOT HAVE TO. There is a much simpler AND easier way to explain what it is that you are 'trying to' explain.

How many times does this NEED to be told to you?



Yet 'you' just said without 'me' there is no 'you'. Just ANOTHER contradiction in the story telling of "dontaskme".



So what?



Yet the deal is 'you' sometimes say there is only SELF, while at other times 'you' say there is a 'you' and a 'me'. When will 'you' STOP being so completely contradictory and wrong?



Yes the Real Self is NOT a human being, OBVIOUSLY. But WHY does that mean 'I' should stop talking to 'you', human beings, and saying 'you', human beings?

'your' comment just now explains a GREAT DEAL about WHY 'you' do NOT yet Truly understand this.

Notice that when you poke your tongue out at a mirror, the mirror will reflect that back to you, it's just what the mirror does.

Notice that a 'you' can NOT poke a tongue out. Only animals with tongues can poke tongues out. 'you' ARE thoughts (and feelings), which OBVIOUSLY do NOT have tongues.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amThe MIRROR is NEVER EVER WRONG - NOR CAN THE MIRROR EVER LIE.

The real true SELF IS THAT MIRROR.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amAnd that's the truth that does not want to be heard.

But that truth does want to be heard.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amWhat does NOT want to be heard is when thee True Self tells 'you', the human being known as "dontaskme", that what is said is WRONG, and that what is 'trying to' be explained can be explained in a much simpler and much easier way than is being doing now, correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 amPlease stop telling me what I already KNOW

What are 'you' referring to here exactly, which 'you' allege 'you' already KNOW?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:54 am....Please get over yourself. YOU ARE SO TEDIOUS AND BORING.

HOW could one get over its 'self'?

What is the 'your' or the 'it' in relation to thee 'self'?

If things want to be expressed, then it is better that they can be explained.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:20 am Which post on a public forum then?

I am talking to myself, that's why.

Pity that self only talks and will NOT listen - to thy Real and True Self.

How many more times do you want me to repeat that to you?

There is only self talking to itself, no matter how that self manifests, be it on a forum format or whatever, it's all the same one self.

Self likes talking to itself, have you noticed? you are doing this action right now with yourself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 amYou think there is another self apart from you, but only because you believe you are a self, and that is all that is going on here.

A lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Thee Real Self remains OPEN always, and asks clarifying questions, to SEE if the feedback is coming from thy True Self or from those little individual, separate and personal thinking selfs. The True Self also offers to help those selfs. Whether they take it or not is completely up to them, as the True Self does NOT force any thing at all.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:20 am

If it's just a cathartic recreational process you could just write it privately.

So could everybody else.

When will "dontaskme" STOP contradicting its self?

Is there 'anybody else' or is there not?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 amWe can all keep our thoughts to ourself privately, but it takes two to tango, without you there is no me. Without a mirror I have no way of looking at myself.

So, the alleged "fictional" ones are actually REAL ones, correct?

Do you understand this dual reality?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 amThat's the only thing going on here. It's all part of the game the one plays with itself.

The REAL Self does NOT play these games, which only 'you', human being selves, play.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:20 am Which post on a public forum then?

I am talking to myself, that's why.

Pity that self only talks and will NOT listen - to thy Real and True Self.

How many more times do you want me to repeat that to you?

There is only self talking to itself, no matter how that self manifests, be it on a forum format or whatever, it's all the same one self.

Self likes talking to itself, have you noticed? you are doing this action right now with yourself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 amYou think there is another self apart from you, but only because you believe you are a self, and that is all that is going on here.

A lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Thee Real Self remains OPEN always, and asks clarifying questions, to SEE if the feedback is coming from thy True Self or from those little individual, separate and personal thinking selfs. The True Self also offers to help those selfs. Whether they take it or not is completely up to them, as the True Self does NOT force any thing at all.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:19 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:49 pmThis does NOT mean that there is NOT a much more clearer, simpler, and easier way than the way 'you' are going now.

I'm simply not interested in whether there is a better, clearer, simpler, easier way of explaining something that I already know to be my truth regarding what is the SELF.

This is completely fair enough. Although the amount you put into 'trying to' be heard and understood here, in this forum, supposedly not being interested in a better, clearer, simpler, and easier way of explaining what it is that you want to express seems rather contradictory.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pmI already know what I am talking about, I do not need validation or approval from other sources outside my own knowing of what I already KNOW.

But who has said any thing about 'validation' or 'approval'?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pm And I also know that I am always talking and listening to myself at the same time as and through every other apparent self.

Has just knowing that this talking and listening to Its Self is being done helped in being better understood?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pm BUT I have no interest in bettering the way I discuss what I want to discuss, I simple discuss from what I can know experientially, from my own direct experience.

'you' NOT being interested in any thing other than what 'you' WANT to SEE and BELIEVE is what I am REVEALING.

NOT being interested in any thing other than what 'you', individual adult human beings, BELIEVE is true is WHY none of you KNOW how to explain what thee True Self is yet, and WHY you will continue on your downward spiral to 'hell'.

When all of 'you', adults, start accepting and taking responsibility, then you will start changing, for the better, and then you will proceed back onto, and up, the Right path in Life.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pmUnderstanding the SELF is all that matters, words can in no way touch that silent understanding of SELF without distorting it by believing it can be put into words for everyone to understand, this simply is not true.

But this can be done very simply and very easily. Words can be used in a way to touch and REVEAL thy True Self. Just because you BELIEVE otherwise, does NOT make it true. The very behavior of you BELIEVING it is not possible is the very thing STOPPING you from discovering, learning, and understanding thee Truth of things.

Also, there is NO one BELIEVING SELF can be put into words for every one to understand.
I just KNOW this is very possible.
If it can be done for one, then it can be done for ALL.
This has been done for one.
Therefore, this can be done for ALL.

If all that matters, as you say, is understanding the SELF, then why do you do not do all it takes to Truly understand thy Self. 'you', "dontaskme", obviously do NOT yet Truly understand. The contradictory nature of your words are living proof and evidence of this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pm For me, there is no way to deliver understanding of SELF as and through words, as words are only pointers, and not what the actual SELF is.

That is for 'you', the one labeled "dontaskme". But for thee True Self there is a way to deliver understanding SELF, and that is very simply through WORDS, as it is through words how 'you', human beings, learn more easier and simply just how you understand.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 pm If you don't like the way I express myself, then go else where for what ever it is you are trying to glean off of others.

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But it has NEVER been a matter about what I like or dislike about the way 'you' express. From just about the outset with 'you', "dontaskme", I have mostly just been saying to 'you' that there is a much easier and simpler way to explain what it is that 'you' are 'trying to' explain. I have then just awaited your curiosity. Until then your lack of curiosity provides more evidence of how the human brain, through BELIEFS, is NOT open at all to any thing else other than what it ASSUMES and BELIEVES is true.

By the way, other than wanting to learn how to communicate better with 'you', human beings, I am not trying to obtain any information from you. I, however, and using 'you' as evidence to support the information that I will provide. How the brain and the Mind actually work is what I am REVEALING to the readers. Some have caught on to, and have SEEN this, far quicker than "others" do.

By the way, what information do you have, which you believe I am trying to glean off of 'you', human beings?

Did you forget that it is 'I' who is telling you that there is a much better way to explain what it is that you are 'trying to' explain. I have the information, which you are SEEKING, LOOKING FOR, WANTING to obtain. While it is 'you' who has the ability to communicate with "others", which is what I am WANTING to learn how to obtain.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pm Age, please have some respect and see that I do not see the same reality that we are all apart of in the exact same way as you do. And I never will.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmAll I know is the camera..the all knowing eye never lies.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmEverything is an analogy, it can only reference to something that doesn't exist including language, words, speaking and hearing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmIt doesn't matter what is said or how it's said.... it's meaningless.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmSpoken by no one...heard by no one....experienced by no one.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pm"That, which does the knowing, can not itself be known, & can not know its self."

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmWhat does this expression say?.....Nothing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmWhat does it mean?....Nothing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:15 pmAnd yet........there is apparent meaning. Go Figure..........
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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:53 pm From what 'I' have observed 'you' will NOT like what "thee nondual self" informs 'you'.