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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:51 pmWell, yes, of course. But if you can't tell yourself what you're looking for, how are you going to know when you find it?

Were you looking for God to give you life? Well, I would say He did that.

Were you looking for Him to reveal himself to your nation or culture? He did that.

Were you looking for Him to write a book? He did that.

Were you looking for Him to make a difference in history? He did that.

Were you looking for Him to come personally to save you? He also did that.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:51 pmWell, yes, of course. But if you can't tell yourself what you're looking for, how are you going to know when you find it?

Of course I could tell, I just don't care about playing stupid games.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:30 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:51 pmWell, yes, of course. But if you can't tell yourself what you're looking for, how are you going to know when you find it?

Of course I could tell, I just don't care about playing stupid games.

No games. I'm dealing straight here. There are no tricks, no traps...it's just that I can't quite see what it is you are upset with regarding God.

You seem displeased with God's lack of participation in your life. Okay. What sort of a thing would you expect Him to do (if we were good, or if He existed at all -- we can leave that open) that you find He has not done for you?

It's a fair question. I mean, you can't accuse God of dereliction of duty if you don't expect something of Him, right?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:45 pm I'm not upset regarding God. Where did you read that?

After he consistently failed to show up in any way or form in my life.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:10 amReally because you just said God.

You play this word game for 5-year-olds again.

Not really, my point is in trying to negate a term you keep requiring it.

So there is no correlation between your changing faith in man and your changing faith in God?

No not really. I believed in humanity for 20 more years.

Apparently not the case in light of this being a schizo forum to you.

Take it up with those who translated it.

I don't have to, most people living in the 21st century are content with using the language of the 21st century.

You mean this?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:59 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:45 pm I'm not upset regarding God. Where did you read that?

Well, you wrote:

After he consistently failed to show up in any way or form in my life.

...and I presumed that that meant you expected him to "show up" in some "way or form" in your life, if He were real. I just didn't know what "way or form" you were accusing Him of "failing" to "show up."

What didn't He do, that you think He should have done? What could He have done to "show up"?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:11 pmNot really, my point is in trying to negate a term you keep requiring it.

Apparently not the case in light of this being a schizo forum to you.

You mean this?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:32 pm What he didn't do is show up in any way or form.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:36 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:11 pmNot really, my point is in trying to negate a term you keep requiring it.

No, it's a word game for 5-year-olds.

4 year olds to be precise.

Apparently not the case in light of this being a schizo forum to you.

It is objectively a schizo forum, you're one of the prime examples.
Little to nothing to do with what I wrote though.
And that is why to you it is a schizos forum...you feel divided from it. Schizophrenia is a divided mind.

You mean this?

You may have had a lot of encounters with psychologists, so as a denial mechanism you turn to more word games, so what.

Not really, a few times I diagnosed them. The real ugly truth, noone wants to admit...is that noone knows what is going on so we put labels on people, call them genius or mentally I'll, as a way of scapegoating this horrible fact.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:45 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:32 pm What he didn't do is show up in any way or form.

That's what I'm asking. I'm asking in what "way or form" you would expect to see Him, if He exists. Because you cited that as the reason you decided not to believe in Him; so if you expected nothing of Him, you would have no reason for disbelief anymore.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:47 pm 4 year olds to be precise.

And that is why to you it is a schizos forum...you feel divided from it. Schizophrenia is a divided mind.

Not really, a few times I diagnosed them. The real ugly truth, noone wants to admit...is that noone knows what is going on so we put labels on people, call them genius or mentally I'll, as a way of scapegoating this horrible fact.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:45 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:32 pm What he didn't do is show up in any way or form.

That's what I'm asking. I'm asking in what "way or form" you would expect to see Him, if He exists.

Because you cited that as the reason you decided not to believe in Him; so if you expected nothing of Him, you would have no reason for disbelief anymore. He hasn't "failed" you in any way, then.

As a parallel, actor Morgan Freeman hasn't failed you either, even though he hasn't shown up in your life. You didn't expect him to.

And still, Morgan Freeman exists. Since God hasn't failed you either, then maybe so does He, right?

That's what I'm asking. I'm asking in what "way or form" you would expect to see Him, if He exists.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:00 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:47 pm 4 year olds to be precise.

4 then.

And that is why to you it is a schizos forum...you feel divided from it. Schizophrenia is a divided mind.

No, schizophrenia is not a divided mind, you're using the everyday misunderstanding of the word. You still haven't looked up what it actually means in psychology.
It is a break down of relations of thought, emotion, etc. just look it up yourself.

Not really, a few times I diagnosed them. The real ugly truth, noone wants to admit...is that noone knows what is going on so we put labels on people, call them genius or mentally I'll, as a way of scapegoating this horrible fact.

More denial, modern psychology has a pretty good handle on what's going on overall. Just not how to treat it.

That is a schizophrenic way of looking at it, of they don't understand how to fix the issue then they do no really understand it now do they?

And for the record, some psychologists are moving away from the strict biological interpretation and going for an environmental trauma one.

In simpler terms, you can understand, people go mad because of abuse, failed expectations, trauma, etc.