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No it's you who is confused.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:32 pm I did not say "universe" nor did I say "rational" nor did I say "assumption" nor did I say "metaphysical".
You may be confused but I think you are confusing.
Infinity is a presentation happening right now infinitely for eternity, meaning it's not happening.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:39 pm
I have issues with clarity some times.
Happen is or happen does or happen represents.
What's happenning here?
What?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:39 pm
Of course the knower hasn't been seen. He/she/it is an abstraction. But I am not abstract to me. You miss the point.
Objectivity is not the point. Compatible subjectivity is the point. The more compatible we are, the more our subjectivity supervenes on the real.
Why complicate, the simple?
The two way mirror that is non-dual reality has two sides, the two sides can never meet, or see each other - as each side is the same one mirror reflecting itself only, so never the twain shall meet.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:05 pm
Are these two independent statements or is there a connection? Have you ordered them in a logical way?
There is no logical way.
There is no such entity as a metaphysical claimer, that's what metaphysics mean, it's the realisation by no one that there is no one to claim any knowledge of anything. As such, there is nothing to understand or explain. Any attempt to do so is a falsifiable claim.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:21 am
Rather they try [ and fail ] to explain what they do not understand as all metaphysical claims are unfalsifiable
ok thanks, so then if the knower has been seen as you say it has, then where is it's actual location can you point to it directly and say that is the knower?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:31 am
Yes the knowers have been seen because we are all each the physical manifestation of our own individual minds
There is no one single absolute knower but instead many which collectively make up all of human consciousness
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:41 am The belief that there is an absolute knower exists as many conceptual ideas within human consciousness
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:41 amHuman minds have always had these conceptual ideas because they explain what they do not understand
What is unknown.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:02 pmWhat?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:39 pm
Of course the knower hasn't been seen. He/she/it is an abstraction. But I am not abstract to me. You miss the point.
Objectivity is not the point. Compatible subjectivity is the point. The more compatible we are, the more our subjectivity supervenes on the real.
Why complicate, the simple?
Only what is known is known...what is unknown will eventually become known...but what is unknowable can never be known.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:50 pmWhat is unknown.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:02 pmWhat?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:39 pm
Of course the knower hasn't been seen. He/she/it is an abstraction. But I am not abstract to me. You miss the point.
Objectivity is not the point. Compatible subjectivity is the point. The more compatible we are, the more our subjectivity supervenes on the real.
Why complicate, the simple?
What is unknown.
You are everything and nothing.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:13 pmWhat is unknown.
or
What is unknown?
Are you the period or the question mark
That can't possibly be true.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:42 pmYou are everything and nothing.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:13 pmWhat is unknown.
or
What is unknown?
Are you the period or the question mark
I differ, the body is a fact not a concept, it is the ground for the phenomenal experience we have of an external world.Dontaskme wrote:The body is a concept known (information) but not known by the concept itself... ...
I differ, me as a body is aware that it is one.you as awareness is aware of the body, ...
I agree, only bodies are born and die and awareness lives and dies with them.but is not the body as awareness has never been born or died, ...
No idea how you are applying "born" and "die" to a concept nor how you can if they aren't real?only a concept is born and can die..and concepts are not real...
In who? How can you have a "you" given what you say?But You Awareness is real right now and knows every concept as when they arise and fall in you. ...
Is "awareness" in this case your "Awareness"? As trees exist apart from my awareness otherwise they'd not be bigger or changed when them come back into my awareness. Are you basically saying you are an Idealist a la Berkley and it is 'God' who sustains ideas when we're not looking?A tree doesn't exist apart from awareness, it's an imaginary image of the imageless faceless awareness. ...
Sounds lovely, what's conceptualising 'it'?Awareness has no face, it's face is seen in it's reflection..the conceptual image reflecting back at it's imageless self. ...
Neither are a reality in the sense of being things, 'Death' is not a thing other than being the state of a ex-living thing and 'Life' is just a reification as there is no 'Life' other than living things.Death and Life are the same reality, ...
If your 'Awareness' is alone then it cannot reflect as it will have nothing to reflect upon.they just differ in appearance, one is seen/known the other is unseen/known. Awareness is a two way mirror reflecting itself alone. ...
You appear to me to be an ex-theist recreating a 'God' more suitable to yourself.( “Thou cannot see My face, for there shall no man see Me and live.”Exodus 33:20 )