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Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:28 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:40 am


WHAT???

You really do BELIEVE that you really do KNOW what you are talking about, am I right veritas?

Crocodiles have survived millions of years. Do they have BELIEFS?

Are you aware that humans evolved from other things, going back BEFORE even animals existed at all?
If yes, then great. WHERE did this BELIEF that human beings NEED beliefs for their survival come from?
Human beings are here now, and surviving right?
If yes, then great.
Human beings, like ALL the other things that have came into existence and have survived up to now, when this is written.
Therefore, FOR SURVIVAL 'beliefs', themselves, are NOT necessary.

(As for what beliefs are helpful for, is another completely different issue. What we have been discussing here is; if beliefs are inherent and a necessity for survival?)

Constructing another strawman.
Note humans can still survive when they are in a coma or asleep. So I did not mean humans and animals cannot survive without beliefs.

Well say what you MEAN. Do NOT say what you do NOT mean.

That is ALL I have been pointing out. Babies, sleeping human beings, human beings at first stages of evolution MAY NOT have BELIEFS. I have been asking you to SHOW us WHERE, WHEN, and WHAT the BELIEFS ARE that you say ALL human beings MUST HAVE beliefs for their survival.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 amWhat I stated was beliefs facilitate survival of humans and certain animals.

Yes I KNOW what you have stated. You repeat yourself a LOT.

WHICH 'certain animals' are you talking about?
WHY only some 'certain animals'? And,
WHY do only human beings and some certain animals NEED beliefs to facilitate survival?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 am It is obvious I do not mean one-cell animals, viruses and the likes having beliefs.

Well if YOU have evolved from those, then WHEN, in evolution, did it, supposedly, become NECESSARY for survival?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 amAs I had stated the belief faculty of a human is a complex system and process,

And, as I have stated the belief faculty of a human being is a very SIMPLE system, and a very EASY one to UNDERSTAND. I have explained just HOW simple and easy it really IS, already.

You however do NOT have to explain any thing because you use the old, human being, trick of "I know how it works" but it is "to hard and complex" to explain. By stating that some thing is a complex system and process directly and indirectly MEANS that you have NO idea whatsoever.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 am say X where a human sense of self-awareness is a feature. This require at least the the lower brain, the middle brain and some basic reasoning capabilities in a cortical brain.

Just using the word 'brain' in sentences does NOT mean that you KNOW what you are talking about. In fact, some might argue the very opposite is True.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 amThus animals who has the same mental activities with up to 50% of X can be considered to have an inherent belief system. I have given examples.

LOL

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 amMy point is;
Beliefs are inherent within all human beings to facilitate survival as a normal human being.

"Normal" human being. LOL LOL LOL

You, veritas, really BELIEVE that you are "normal" and that "other's" have psychological problems due to their abnormalities.

You TRY so hard to appear as some one who is "smart" and "normal", and this really makes me laugh a lot. The harder you TRY the more I am laughing here.

I am NOT laughing AT you. I am laughing AT the irony of ALL of this. The very THING that you are TRYING TO argue and fight for is the very same THING that is making you do what you are doing here, and thus making you look the way that you are now.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 amThis is in contrast to your "I do not have any belief" which is very a very stupid view.

If It is a stupid view, then that is WHAT IT IS, and, WHAT I HAVE.

I neither care nor am concerned at all.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:57 am

Are you at all aware there is NOT even one of you human beings who is self aware, yet?

Unless of course you KNOW of one that can answer the question; Who am 'I'? properly and correctly.

This is from your delusion in la la land.

What is from my "delusion"?

In case you are unaware; that was a question asked, to you, for an answer.

What is with you, human beings, when a question is asked you BELIEVE that some thing is being said or meant?

I asked a question. Either you can or can not answer it.

Here watch; Do you KNOW of any human being that can answer the question: Who am 'I'?

If you do KNOW, then you say "Yes". And,
If you do NOT know, then you say "No".

It is like I have to SPELL every thing out for you, human beings.

• 1. I do not have any beliefs
  2. I am not a human being [as implied].

Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:43 pm To me there is NO necessity for one to either believe or disbelieve what they, themselves, say. To me there are other options, like; just remaining always OPEN instead.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:43 pm To me there is NO necessity for one to either believe or disbelieve what they, themselves, say. To me there are other options, like; just remaining always OPEN instead.

So you believe that you are always open?

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:43 pm To me there is NO necessity for one to either believe or disbelieve what they, themselves, say. To me there are other options, like; just remaining always OPEN instead.

So you believe that you are always open?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:53 pm If I was to either believe or disbelieve this, or anything, then I would NOT be, nor be remaining, open.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:35 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:53 pm If I was to either believe or disbelieve this, or anything, then I would NOT be, nor be remaining, open.

Ok. Now I understand.

You believe that in order to remain open you must neither believe nor disbelieve any thing.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:00 am

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:43 pm To me there is NO necessity for one to either believe or disbelieve what they, themselves, say. To me there are other options, like; just remaining always OPEN instead.

So you believe that you are always open?

You need to believe on something in order to get somewhere.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:26 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:00 am

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:48 pm
So you believe that you are always open?

You need to believe on something in order to get somewhere.

If you changed just one letter bahman, then that IS the absolute Truth.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:22 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:35 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:53 pm If I was to either believe or disbelieve this, or anything, then I would NOT be, nor be remaining, open.

Ok. Now I understand.

You believe that in order to remain open you must neither believe nor disbelieve any thing.

No. I do NOT believe that, and in saying that I also do NOT disbelieve that.

You are NOT now understanding at all, AND, you, obviously, are NOT even TRYING TO understand.

But what you are TRYING to do, IS obvious.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:22 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:35 pm
Ok. Now I understand.

You believe that in order to remain open you must neither believe nor disbelieve any thing.

No. I do NOT believe that, and in saying that I also do NOT disbelieve that.

You are NOT now understanding at all, AND, you, obviously, are NOT even TRYING TO understand.

But what you are TRYING to do, IS obvious.

So you believe that I don’t understand?

And you also believe that what I am trying to do is obvious.

What am I trying to do?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:17 am

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:22 pm

No. I do NOT believe that, and in saying that I also do NOT disbelieve that.

You are NOT now understanding at all, AND, you, obviously, are NOT even TRYING TO understand.

But what you are TRYING to do, IS obvious.

So you believe that I don’t understand?

And you also believe that what I am trying to do is obvious.

What am I trying to do?

Age, Re OP you are check-mated.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:37 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:17 am

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm
So you believe that I don’t understand?

And you also believe that what I am trying to do is obvious.

What am I trying to do?

Age, Re OP you are check-mated.

Lol veritas, that is NOT me saying that I believe some thing.

That person that said that I believe some thing IS only ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING some thing that is NOT even remotely close to the Truth.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:22 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:35 pm
Ok. Now I understand.

You believe that in order to remain open you must neither believe nor disbelieve any thing.

No. I do NOT believe that, and in saying that I also do NOT disbelieve that.

You are NOT now understanding at all, AND, you, obviously, are NOT even TRYING TO understand.

But what you are TRYING to do, IS obvious.

So you believe that I don’t understand?

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pmAnd you also believe that what I am trying to do is obvious.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:40 pmWhat am I trying to do?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:37 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:17 am
Age, Re OP you are check-mated.

Lol veritas, that is NOT me saying that I believe some thing.

That person that said that I believe some thing IS only ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING some thing that is NOT even remotely close to the Truth.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

You are in denial.
Say what you like, the actual neural state of your brain [the truth] in that case is a state of believing [as defined re OP] and generic to all human beings.

When the Human Connectome Project is sufficiently advance,
http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/
humans will be able to represent what is the core 'belief' and 'believing' objectively in terms of the neural activities within the brain. Anyone can then test it repeatedly and verify the conclusion consistently.