Philosophy Now Forum

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:03 am

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:57 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:49 pm
You somehow manage to conflate like 3-5 different contexts even in such a short comment.

The irony.

A ‘non-dualist’ talking about ‘context conflation’.

Plus you don't even understand what nondualism is about. The "irony".

Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how to solve the mind-body problem.

Apparently you do, but you don’t understand why empirical evidence can’t tackle the brain-in-a-vat argument

Which is very ironic, because you don’t even understand what it means to “understand”.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:15 am Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how to solve the mind-body problem.

No surprise there

Apparently you do,

Of course I know how to "solve" a non-existent problem.

but you don’t understand why empirical evidence can’t tackle the brain-in-a-vat argument

Strawman, what you wrote was a word salad, and one interpretation of it was that empirical evidence can't tackle the brain-in-a-vat argument. Which is of course perfectly obvious to me, again you show your condescending idiocy by not even realizing this.

Which is very ironic,

The only irony here is your inability to understand human language, and then you blaming humans for it.

because you don’t even know what it means to “understand”.

I know it far better than you ever will

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 am

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:15 am Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how to solve the mind-body problem.

No surprise there

Apparently you do,

Of course I know how to "solve" a non-existent problem.

but you don’t understand why empirical evidence can’t tackle the brain-in-a-vat argument

Strawman, what you wrote was a word salad, and one interpretation of it was that empirical evidence can't tackle the brain-in-a-vat argument. Which is of course perfectly obvious to me, again you show your condescending idiocy by not even realizing this.

Which is very ironic,

The only irony here is your inability to understand human language, and then you blaming humans for it.

because you don’t even know what it means to “understand”.

I know it far better than you ever will

Surely by “wordsalad” you mean you don’t understand my language? More irony.

I guess one interpretation (or insinuation?) would be that I am not human?

After all, you have been trying to dehumanise me for a while now. I am sure you can stoop even lower.

Try harder!

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:17 am Surely by “wordsalad” you mean you don’t understand my language? More irony.

I guess one interpretation (or insinuation?) would be that I am not human?

After all, you have been trying to dehumanise me for a while now. I am sure you can stoop even lower.

Try harder!

Poor victim, except I didn't dehumanize you (sorry.. that might make you feel unique).

Philosophy has a pretty well established language, a "consensus", which you as a great consensus builder absolutely reject, and cling to your own personal language. Not my problem.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 amOf course I know how to "solve" a non-existent problem.

Says Pope Hilarius.

That was actually very funny Atla.

Non-dualism, the last laugh is always on yourself.

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I am the last idiot.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:17 am
After all, you have been trying to dehumanise me for a while now. I am sure you can stoop even lower.

Try harder!

Only you can give yourself permission to be human. Why beat up on your mirror reflection ?

This horse has been beaten to death enough..



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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 amOf course I know how to "solve" a non-existent problem.

Says Pope Hilarius.

That was actually very funny Atla.

Non-dualism, the last laugh is always on yourself.

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I am the last idiot.

Proper nondualism automatically resolves the mind-body "problem"; you have just proven again that you don't understand nondualism.

Pseudo-Advaita has already helped ruin your family as you admitted some time ago, guess it's too late for you to face it all. All you can do now is cling to your delusions.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 am Poor victim, except I didn't dehumanize you (sorry.. that might make you feel unique).

No need for patronising. The following paragraph is a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 am The only irony here is your inability to understand human language, and then you blaming humans for it.

Another name for that fallacy is "appeal to purity". Which is precisely what your narrative can be interpreted as when you put yourself in the in-group (humans) and myself in the out-group (collectively blaming humans).

It's just that I have done no such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - since blame externalisation is not my nature, I have taken ownership of my failure to explain myself clearly on more than one occasion.

And so I re-assert again that while you are a human, you are one of the more ignorant ones I've encountered. But I stand to be corrected.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 am Philosophy has a pretty well established language, a "consensus", which you as a great consensus builder absolutely reject, and cling to your own personal language. Not my problem.

So it's philosophy now, not humans?

Christians have a well-established language too. I am happy to build consensus and even adopt the language, right until the very language you use gets in your way of reason. I am open about my gripe with logocentrism. And in 2018 - philosophers are far more guilty of it than any other religion. Philosophy actually causes harm to the very notions of 'truth' and 'knowledge'.

THAT is ironic, given the word 'philosophy' (philo sophos) means 'love of wisdom'. So why are so many philosophers (like so many theists) so ignorant?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 amOf course I know how to "solve" a non-existent problem.

Says Pope Hilarius.

That was actually very funny Atla.

Non-dualism, the last laugh is always on yourself.

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I am the last idiot.

Proper nondualism automatically resolves the mind-body "problem"; you have just proven again that you don't understand nondualism.

Pseudo-Advaita has already helped ruin your family as you admitted some time ago, guess it's too late for you to face it all. All you can do now is cling to your delusions.

Very predictable response. Thanks for proving you have no idea how I understand nonduality.

Delusional Idiot to believe one can be ruined by a non-existent ruiner.

Your so predictable you idiot man child, why don't you concentrate on growing those wings, instead of dithering on the edge like a rabbit caught in his own headlight.



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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:37 amNo need for patronising. The following paragraph is a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

To claim fallacies, you would first need to address what others write.

Another name for that fallacy is "appeal to purity". Which is precisely what your narrative can be interpreted as when you put yourself in the in-group (humans) and myself in the out-group (collectively blaming humans).

It's just that I have done no such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - since blame externalisation is not my nature, I have taken ownership of my failure to explain myself clearly on more than one occasion.

And so I re-assert again that while you are a human, you are one of the more ignorant ones I've encountered. But I stand to be corrected.

Nope, you put yourself in the out-group again. Not all humans properly understand human language, but that doesn't make them non-human.

Blame externalisation describes almost everything you write, and you usually fail to realize it / take ownership of it.

So it's philosophy now, not humans?

Christians have a well-established language too. I am happy to build consensus and even adopt the language, right until the very language you use gets in your way of reason. I am open about my gripe with logocentrism. And in 2018 - philosophers are far more guilty of it than any other religion. Your religion actually causes harm to the very notions of 'truth' and 'knowledge'.

THAT is ironic, given the word 'philosophy' (philo sophos) means 'love of wisdom'. So why are so many philosophers (like so many theists) so stupid?

If you were open about your gripe, you would express it in a consensus language first. You do nothing of the sort.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:44 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:28 am



Says Pope Hilarius.

That was actually very funny Atla.

Non-dualism, the last laugh is always on yourself.

.

I am the last idiot.

Proper nondualism automatically resolves the mind-body "problem"; you have just proven again that you don't understand nondualism.

Pseudo-Advaita has already helped ruin your family as you admitted some time ago, guess it's too late for you to face it all. All you can do now is cling to your delusions.

Very predictable response. Thanks for proving you have no idea how I understand nonduality.

Delusional Idiot to believe one can be ruined by a non-existent ruiner.

Your so predictable you idiot man child, why don't you concentrate on growing those wings, instead of dithering on the edge like a rabbit caught in his own headlight.



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Except no one gives a damn about your wrong understanding of nonduality.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 am Proper nondualism automatically resolves the mind-body "problem"

Here is the scientific/epistemic problem. Your CLAIM decomposes into FOUR possible cause-effect hypotheses:

Practicing 'proper' non-dualism fails to resolve the mind-body problem (Null hypothesis)
Practicing 'proper' non-dualism resolves the mind-body problem (Your hypothesis)
Practicing 'improper' non-dualism fails to resolve the mind-body problem (false negative)
Practicing 'improper' non-dualism resolves the mind-body problem (false positive)

So how did you test/verify that:
1. You are practicing 'proper' non-dualism
2. It resolved the mind-body problem.

Philosophers... you invent more problems than you solve

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:45 am To claim fallacies, you would first need to address what others write.

No. I don't. You are imposing rules of conduct. That is an appeal to authority.

I simply point out the fallacy/contradiction together with corrective feedback. To engage it is to allow you to frame the discussion.

But your reference frame IS what is faulty!

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:45 am Nope, you put yourself in the out-group again. Not all humans properly understand human language, but that doesn't make them non-human.

That is an appeal to authority also AND appeal to purity also. Who decides what is and is not 'human language'. Who decides how language ought to be used/understood?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:45 am Blame externalisation describes almost everything you write, and you usually fail to realize it / take ownership of it.

Abductive reasoning is your error not mine. Information asymmetry is against you.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:45 am If you were open about your gripe, you would express it in a consensus language first.

I just did! I expressed it in the consensus language of ENGLISH. Which is the language most broadly spoken around here.

The language of Philosophy is esoteric.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 am Proper nondualism automatically resolves the mind-body "problem"

Here is the scientific/epistemic problem. Your CLAIM decomposes into FOUR possible cause-effect hypotheses:

Practicing 'proper' non-dualism fails to resolve the mind-body problem (Null hypothesis)
Practicing 'proper' non-dualism resolves the mind-body problem (Your hypothesis)
Practicing 'improper' non-dualism fails to resolve the mind-body problem (false negative)
Practicing 'improper' non-dualism resolves the mind-body problem (false positive)

So how did you test/verify that:
1. You are practicing 'proper' non-dualism
2. It resolved the mind-body problem.

Philosophers... you invent more problems than you solve

Word salad; the mind-body problem is a made up problem, as confirmed by all scientific evidence, which is consistent with nondualism. "Practicing" (practicing what?) has nothing to do with it.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:47 am Except no one gives a damn about your wrong understanding of nonduality.

Oh really, like your the only person in the world that understands it correctly, okay if you say so, I have absolutely no arugment with that, enjoy your right understandings.. in your dreams pal.



As for my understandings, I don't give a damn about projections. I stopped identifying with those years ago.

God forbid if I ever dare say anything to you of a nondual context. Who died and made you the supreme almighty head Godman of all gods?

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