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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:26 pm A human being is the relating of a relation -- a synthesis of the Infinite and the finite, Eternal and temporal, Freedom and necessity -- relating to itself. So yes, LW, there are many and varied claims employing labels to describe how the finite-temporal-necessary relates to the Infinite-Eternal-Free. That does not mean, however, any particular story is simply "made up." Sure, how the relation is expressed may be clumsy and misleading, but a lot of that has to do with the limitations of language and its complexities. The Tao te Ching, for example, has been translated hundreds of times with results that sometimes cannot be recognized as being from the same source.

We all naturally tend to believe what we deem best for us, that which is in our immediate or remote interest. By claiming people's stories are "made up" might serve your interests, but it slams the door in the face of those who may want nothing more than to communicate what they deem to be of supreme value to themselves and for all mankind.

Very well said. I salute you.

I love reading you're posts Reflex, they resonate very deeply with me.

Most here think I'm just an obnoxious ass.

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pm...

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pmmy intent is to show how/when ego and human stories distort and try to control. Do you not see this tendency in people's belief systems?

For some reason you didn't answer this question, although it was central to what I was talking about. You probably skipped it because you were eager to get busy "correcting" me and tell me about "the stick with two ends".

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmEvery stick has two ends. It may not be your intent to slam the door in people's faces, but the effect is the very thing you complain about.

Now notice how the stick disappears when we're talking about you...

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pmDo you consider how the comments that you and others make about what someone needs to find or realize, places yourself on a higher platform, and shuts out all other potential?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmNot at all.

Of course you don't. Because my intention fails and isn't worth considering, whereas yours succeeds and is supremely important. You know what you can do with that stick?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmif you have values you need a solid foundation.

There are many ways to do this. Your way is not the only way. You are not the building inspector. Seriously, get over yourself.

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmnot knowing where you're coming from, the basis of your reasoning, makes it impossible for anyone to understand what you're trying to say.

That's bullshit, Reflex. People do not need to know such things about another to understand the communication of common human concepts.

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pm
Yes, so let's look at those delusions square in the face. Their denial won't make them go away. Work with them. Find the unity between unity and diversity, between delusion and Reality.

Why do you get off on telling me what to do?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:51 pm That does not mean, however, any particular story is simply "made up."

Lacewing to DAM wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:42 pm I thought you were in agreement, DAM, that all of our stories are made up?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:51 pm The relating is not made up, but our particular story (or conceptual interpretation) is.

How is this different from what I just said? And why are your two statements at opposite ends of the stick you want to hit people with?

Are you just so intent on "correcting" me (because I'm not like you) that you aren't really seeing and listening?

Reflex to DAM wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 am Most here think I'm just an obnoxious ass.

Yeh, well...

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:05 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pm...

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pmmy intent is to show how/when ego and human stories distort and try to control. Do you not see this tendency in people's belief systems?

For some reason you didn't answer this question, although it was central to what I was talking about. You probably skipped it because you were eager to get busy "correcting" me and tell me about "the stick with two ends".

You won't like the answer. Read the Underhill excerpt. Is it as simple as attempting to control or is the attempt to coordinate our efforts as a society also at play?

Maybe you should live someplace where the snow doesn't melt?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmEvery stick has two ends. It may not be your intent to slam the door in people's faces, but the effect is the very thing you complain about.

Now notice how the stick disappears when we're talking about you...

Oh, it definitely applies to me, too.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pmDo you consider how the comments that you and others make about what someone needs to find or realize, places yourself on a higher platform, and shuts out all other potential?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmNot at all.

Of course you don't. Because my intention fails and isn't worth considering, whereas yours succeeds and is supremely important. You know what you can do with that stick?

Not my problem.

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmif you have values you need a solid foundation.

There are many ways to do this. Your way is not the only way. You are not the building inspector. Seriously, get over yourself.

So you've said many, many times. When are you going to suggest something else?

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pmnot knowing where you're coming from, the basis of your reasoning, makes it impossible for anyone to understand what you're trying to say.

That's bullshit, Reflex. People do not need to know such things about another to understand the communication of common human concepts.

Our history together in this forum seems to indicate otherwise.

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 pm
Yes, so let's look at those delusions square in the face. Their denial won't make them go away. Work with them. Find the unity between unity and diversity, between delusion and Reality.

Why do you get off on telling me what to do?

What do you think this forum is? A safe place for college snowflakes? Is the dictum "know thyself" any less of a command? If you don't alike the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Are you just so intent on "correcting" me (because I'm not like you) that you aren't really seeing and listening?

I can say the same thing so gird up your loins.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:11 am

Reflex to DAM wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 am Most here think I'm just an obnoxious ass.

Yeh, well...

I know my place in the scheme of things -- which is a lot more than most people can say.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:05 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:51 pm The relating is not made up, but our particular story (or conceptual interpretation) is.

How is this different from what I just said? And why are your two statements at opposite ends of the stick you want to hit people with?

Are you just so intent on "correcting" me (because I'm not like you) that you aren't really seeing and listening?

The difference is the qualifier. I.e., the ideas and words having their basis on the fact of relating.

BTW, did you give up on trying to dislodge the proof of God’s existence? Do you have a better definition of what it is to be human (I.e., the relating of a relation), one that works and doesn’t point to God?

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:44 am BTW, did you give up on trying to dislodge the proof of God’s existence?

Do YOU spend a lot of time and energy on things that are nonsense and don't matter to you?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:24 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:44 am BTW, did you give up on trying to dislodge the proof of God’s existence?

Do YOU spend a lot of time and energy on things that are nonsense and don't matter to you?

I’ll take that as a ‘yes.’

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Reflex wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:26 pm A human being is the relating of a relation -- a synthesis of the Infinite and the finite, Eternal and temporal, Freedom and necessity -- relating to itself. So yes, LW, there are many and varied claims employing labels to describe how the finite-temporal-necessary relates to the Infinite-Eternal-Free. That does not mean, however, any particular story is simply "made up." Sure, how the relation is expressed may be clumsy and misleading, but a lot of that has to do with the limitations of language and its complexities. The Tao te Ching, for example, has been translated hundreds of times with results that sometimes cannot be recognized as being from the same source.

We all naturally tend to believe what we deem best for us, that which is in our immediate or remote interest. By claiming people's stories are "made up" might serve your interests, but it slams the door in the face of those who may want nothing more than to communicate what they deem to be of supreme value to themselves and for all mankind.

Very well said. I salute you.

I love reading you're posts Reflex, they resonate very deeply with me.

Most here think I'm just an obnoxious ass.

Most here think I’m just a mental lost cause, that there is something wrong with my brain.

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:28 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:24 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:44 am BTW, did you give up on trying to dislodge the proof of God’s existence?

Do YOU spend a lot of time and energy on things that are nonsense and don't matter to you?

I’ll take that as a ‘yes.’

There is no proof here to dislodge. Making claims and playing with words is not proof -- it's nonsense. As usual, you seem addicted to distorting things to please yourself -- one of the reasons it is a waste of time to interact with you. It's always just more of your arrogance dripping all over the place. Seems like you have an endless supply.

Lacewing...dropping the concept of you’re avatar....what is there, what remains?

Does that what remains exist?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:40 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 am
Most here think I'm just an obnoxious ass.

Most here think I’m just a mental lost cause, that there is something wrong with my brain.

Catsup/ketchup. We're condiments evolving the world toward a higher plane of thought. (I said that just to mess with the minds that dominate this forum. )

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:30 am Lacewing...dropping the concept of you’re avatar....what is there, what remains?

Does that what remains exist?
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Do you think he'll get it?

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:45 am
Catsup/ketchup. We're condiments evolving the world toward a higher plane of thought. (I said that just to mess with the minds that dominate this forum. )

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:30 am Lacewing...dropping the concept of you’re avatar....what is there, what remains?

Does that what remains exist?

Reflex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:45 amDo you think he'll get it?

Only when she cuts the strings that bind her.

The centre of every storm is absolute peace, pure stillness and utter calm - complete balance amongst all the surrounding chaos.

Nature mimicks herself in every consceivable shape form and appearance.

A storm is only one example of how Nature shows us where and how we can find this balance,
this space and inner peace of pure tranquillity.

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The only way we can know ''other'' is when we know ourself.

The only way we can love ''another'' is when we love ourself.

No one can teach you what you already know, but temporally forgotten.

No 'other' can love you. Only 'you' can love you.

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There is no greater force than that of equilibrium. Everything, every energy, every vibration ultimately strives to reach its own perfect state of balance.

But, wait, surely there has to be something wrong with you...

If we continue to look and focus our attention outside of us, all we will see and experience is the chaos of the storm and we will never find our inner self, our true being,who and what we really are.

Life always listens to itself, its real self. The wayward self never listens, its a nuclear reactive cess pool.

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DAM wrote:Most here think I’m just a mental lost cause, that there is something wrong with my brain.

Was the six lost in Rome?