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Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:10 pm
Try telling the other seven billion people that. People usually find death disturbing. Do you deny that too?

Okay from a human level ...I'm going to talk about death.

I do not find death disturbing. I know energy can neither be created nor destroyed. I'm grateful for being alive in the first place, I mean what were the odds of me ever being here at all, and death is a bonus too, since I wouldn't want to be alive for ever and ever for all eternity, now that would be disturbing.

We are dying all the time, as we live we are dying, we are all suffering from a terminal illness..all of us are..in that we are all going to die.

So do we all go around feeling constantly disturbed by the fact that we are dying? ..no we don't.

People die every day from cancer and car accidents and other causes and reasons...but are we disturbed by those who have gone? ..no we are not.

What about the people close to us..lets say our mother dies or our child dies...why would that be disturbing, disturbing for who, for the mother or the child...they are at peace now....so it's not disturbing for them.

So who is it disturbing for...is it disturbing for the ones left behind, now why is that do you think?

Is it because you are too scared to live without them, is the thought of being left in a state of loneliness is what you find disturbing?
This feeling of loneliness is the misery self...it's a selfish self. It doesn't care about other peoples death, only it's own, and being left all alone in the world is like a death to it.

Let me tell you...You have never known death..if you had, if you have known death...what's it like then eh? ..is it disturbing for you being dead?


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Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:17 pm The fact that there is something does not require an aware creator. That you think this is necessary precondition is your mental block, DAM.

No it's your mental block dear one.

There is something but it is not a thing.

If there is some ''thing''..then please enlighten me and tell me what you think this thing is?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:37 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:17 pm The fact that there is something does not require an aware creator. That you think this is necessary precondition is your mental block, DAM.

No it's your mental block dear one.

There is something but it is not a thing.

If there is some ''thing''..then please enlighten me and tell me what you think this thing is?

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Yeah, the universe doesn't exist to you. Do you get out of the path of trucks (a thing)?

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm
Yeah, the universe doesn't exist to you. Enjoy.

Just tell me what the ''thing'' is ...?

I will keep asking until you answer.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm
Yeah, the universe doesn't exist to you. Enjoy.

Just tell me what the ''thing'' is ...?

I will keep asking until you answer.

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That's one way to stay occupied, I suppose.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:42 pm



The fact that there is something does not require an aware creator.

If there is something, then something has to know this, be aware of this something...so what is it?

What is aware of this something?



Just answer the question.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:42 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm
Yeah, the universe doesn't exist to you. Enjoy.

Just tell me what the ''thing'' is ...?

I will keep asking until you answer.

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That's one way to stay occupied, I suppose.

Is that why you can't answer the question who is aware of this something?

Is it because your occupied mind is blocking the answer from being revealed. Is there no room in your mind for the answer to reveal itself?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:46 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:42 pm



The fact that there is something does not require an aware creator.

If there is something, then something has to know this, be aware of this something...so what is it?

What is aware of this something?



Just answer the question.

I have many times on this forum. Conciousness is aware of things. But things don't require conciousness.

A. There is thought. --Descartes.
B. There are things that persist beyond thought. -Paracelsus.

These are my accepted preconditions for all further discussion on any philosophical topic. Not accepting those negates further discussion.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:50 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:42 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:41 pm


Just tell me what the ''thing'' is ...?

I will keep asking until you answer.

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That's one way to stay occupied, I suppose.

Is that why you can't answer the question who is aware of this something?

Is it because your occupied mind is blocking the answer from being revealed. Is there no room in your mind for the answer to reveal itself?

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Exactly. A mind is a thing. An answer is a thing. As is a revelation. Or a question.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm Do you get out of the path of trucks (a thing)?

Who knows to get out of the path of a truck?

According to you, there is something..but this something does not require an aware creator..

So who or what is aware the truck is there?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:57 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm Do you get out of the path of trucks (a thing)?

Who knows to get out of the path of a truck?

According to you, there is something..but this something does not require an aware creator..

So who or what is aware the truck is there?

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An awareness. Mine, at any rate. Maybe not you, though I don't know then how you've survived this long.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:55 pm
Exactly. A mind is a thing. An answer is a thing. As is a revelation. Or a question.

No, the mind is not a thing.

The mind is the creator of a thing, not the thing.

There is no thing without a creator.

The mind knows itself as the creator...as it conceives itself to be.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:00 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:55 pm
Exactly. A mind is a thing. An answer is a thing. As is a revelation. Or a question.

No, the mind is not a thing.

The mind is the creator of a thing, not the thing.

There is no thing without a creator.

The mind knows itself as the creator...as it conceives itself to be.

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My parents died. Things they knew still persist after their awareness faded. Play with thoughts all you like, that's what it boils down to; there is thought, and there are things independent of observing thought.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:58 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:57 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:39 pm Do you get out of the path of trucks (a thing)?

Who knows to get out of the path of a truck?

According to you, there is something..but this something does not require an aware creator..

So who or what is aware the truck is there?

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An awareness. Mine, at any rate. Maybe not you, though I don't know then how you've survived this long.

But I thought you said a thing does not require an aware creator....so how can you know the truck (thing) is there?


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:58 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:57 pm

Who knows to get out of the path of a truck?

According to you, there is something..but this something does not require an aware creator..

So who or what is aware the truck is there?

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An awareness. Mine, at any rate. Maybe not you, though I don't know then how you've survived this long.

But I thought you said a thing does not require an aware creator....so how can you know the truck (thing) is there?


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Because I've seen thought disappear in the blink of of traffic accident.