Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:13 am
You say this because you are a secularist limited to horizontal dualistic reason.
There was most likely a horizontal position involved, yes.
Why believe in fanciful myths? Come on, Nick, deep down you KNOW they are just myths. I don't even see why you feel the need to literally believe such myths. Obviously much of the Bible was metaphorical, because comparing like with like is the only way to explain and describe things in lieu of technical language.
Insemination is needed for pregnancy. Self insemination would seem only theoretically possible if Mary was intersexed (Marky?). The idea of God coming down to Earth and inseminating Mary with his seminal fluid and DNA in the night is about as credible as Noah gathering all non-aquatic terrestrial animals, two by two, and keeping them safe in a large boat for months.
It is high time for our public discourse to grow up, to leave behind these childish things and face reality more squarely. Alas, probably not in my lifetime.
It isn't a matter of believing myths but of opening your mind to a scientific hypothesis your devotion to secularism keeps you closed to. Just keep arguing about Trump and you'll be happy
There is no sensible scientific hypothesis. None. Zilch.
You have no philosophy to offer, and certainly no science. Again, you show yourself completely incapable of posting without personal attacks. Along with some quotes, all you bring to forums are attacks against individuals or groups. I wonder if you are capable of posting without attacking someone? To simply observe and allow others to make up their own minds about the observations without your attempts to control.
You are rather like your hero, Trump, in that sense. About as deep as a teaspoon.
Greta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:21 am
There was most likely a horizontal position involved, yes.
Why believe in fanciful myths? Come on, Nick, deep down you KNOW they are just myths. I don't even see why you feel the need to literally believe such myths. Obviously much of the Bible was metaphorical, because comparing like with like is the only way to explain and describe things in lieu of technical language.
Insemination is needed for pregnancy. Self insemination would seem only theoretically possible if Mary was intersexed (Marky?). The idea of God coming down to Earth and inseminating Mary with his seminal fluid and DNA in the night is about as credible as Noah gathering all non-aquatic terrestrial animals, two by two, and keeping them safe in a large boat for months.
It is high time for our public discourse to grow up, to leave behind these childish things and face reality more squarely. Alas, probably not in my lifetime.
It isn't a matter of believing myths but of opening your mind to a scientific hypothesis your devotion to secularism keeps you closed to. Just keep arguing about Trump and you'll be happy
There is no sensible scientific hypothesis. None. Zilch.
You have no philosophy to offer, and certainly no science. Again, you show yourself completely incapable of posting without personal attacks. Along with some quotes, all you bring to forums are attacks against individuals or groups. I wonder if you are capable of posting without attacking someone? To simply observe and allow others to make up their own minds about the observations without your attempts to control.
You are rather like your hero, Trump, in that sense. About as deep as a teaspoon.
This is what I mean. You are the happiest when arguing about Trump and condemning others like me who are not restricted to dualism. It is your way but meaningless for philosophy defined as the love of wisdom.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:06 amThis is what I mean. You are the happiest when arguing about Trump and condemning others like me who are not restricted to dualism. It is your way but meaningless for philosophy defined as the love of wisdom.
Love of wisdom? You??
The Trump fan who cannot admit that the man is a pathological liar loves wisdom. The kidult who whines, moans and complains about everyone online all day, every day long is a lover of wisdom?
Where is your "scientific" hypothesis abut virgin births? Do you also have a Noah's ark hypothesis too? How about Jonah setting up house inside a whale? Where is your "scientific" hypothesis?
It's obvious. Either Mary got up the duff and told lies to save herself or, what I think is more likely, the idea was just borrowed from older mythology.
Greta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:02 amSeriously, either Mary became pregnant and told a tale to save herself from being murdered or it's simply a myth, with the concept, maybe borrowed from the Egyptian Osiris.
We are modern human beings and we know that the virgin births of mythology are not possible for humans. There is no mechanism.
You say this because you are a secularist limited to horizontal dualistic reason.
There was most likely a horizontal position involved, yes.
Why believe in fanciful myths? Come on, Nick, deep down you KNOW they are just myths. I don't even see why you feel the need to literally believe such myths. Obviously much of the Bible was metaphorical, because comparing like with like is the only way to explain and describe things in lieu of technical language.
Insemination is needed for pregnancy. Self insemination would seem only theoretically possible if Mary was intersexed (Marky?). The idea of God coming down to Earth and inseminating Mary with his seminal fluid and DNA in the night is about as credible as Noah gathering all non-aquatic terrestrial animals, two by two, and keeping them safe in a large boat for months.
It is high time for our public discourse to grow up, to leave behind these childish things and face reality more squarely. Alas, probably not in my lifetime.
Greta, why would you reply to Nick as if virgin birth myths have no possible meaning for modern people unless they are literalists?
Nick is probably a Biblical literalist . Your literally true words may just possibly appear true to Nick the literalist you could be so lucky!
We, you and I ,know that the matrix of cultural meaning may be and probably is better expressed by fiction than by science.
Most Western people have grown up to understand that the Virgin Birth happened not in history but in fiction. Nick is probably an American. I wish I knew the socio-historical causes of American religiosity which confuses history and myth. The best universities in the world are American, and yet they coexist in the US with a medieval culture of belief
Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:53 am
And you, Dontaskme, stop pretending that Dontaskme the flesh and blood person in front of that DAM keyboard never chooses on the basis of who she is.
If I stopped pretending then nothing would show up on the computer screen informing as images seen known as the Philosophy Now Forum
Make up you're mind about what you believe to be the chooser here?
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Flesh and blood do not type...can blood type, can skin type?...they are the instrument for action, they CAN NOT do anything until a conscious programmer instructs them into preforming an action.
In other words, no one is doing anything...doing is done, no doer thereof.
Lets stop punching the mirror in the face..it's done nothing to us..all it does is selflessly take it all.
What makes the immaculate conception myth particularly pernicious is its implication that sex is dirty. Sex is not dirty. I'm not sure who is the source of this myth -- St. Augustine? Or an earlier "Church Father?"
One of my concerns is to extricate virgin birth myth from the clutches of the more prudish variety of Christian.
Greta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:44 am
The Trump fan who cannot admit that the man is a pathological liar loves wisdom.
You are rather like your hero, Trump, in that sense. About as deep as a teaspoon.
Stop attacking people.
Greta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:44 am The kidult who whines, moans and complains about everyone online all day, every day long is a lover of wisdom?
Stop abusing children.
The Greta mind always attacks what it doesn't understand. It has always been this way for a segment of the population. For those who are open to what the universe is and how it is structured on levels of reality maintained by the laws of involution and evolution guiding the life forces, the results of higher cosmos can appear on a lower making a virgin birth possible. In other words the unity of higher consciousness can appear on the lower fragmented level when the interaction of universal laws permit it. "As above, so below."
But the secular mind is closed. it only knows "this is here and that is there" and is hostile to human understanding of the third dimension of thought which reconciles the two as one from a higher perspective.
It is fortunate that not everyone in the world must fall victim to a closed mind. If that were the case the potential for human consciousness would eventually atrophy and I don't want to even think about what that would lead to.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:40 pm
It is fortunate that not everyone in the world must fall victim to a closed mind. If that were the case the potential for human consciousness would eventually atrophy and I don't want to even think about what that would lead to.
Of course you want to think about it, dreaming up stuff to complain about is all you live for.
