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Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:08 pm
by Arising_uk
Walker wrote:The length of delay for cabinet confirmations is historic.
Trump still is not close to having his people in place to fulfill his promises.
Progs are trying to disrupt the transition of power in this way, and by any other means necessary.
It's what they do.
They sure can't run the country.
It’s obstruction.
The purpose is to delay.
The Progs don’t have the votes to stop the legal process.
It’s a clinch.
To while away the time, the media will smear whoever the Progs point to.
What a complete load of old nonsense given that apparently the Regressors spent all their time obstructing and stymieing Obama.
The trumpette is going to be well unhappy when he has to actually start working with your Senate and Congress, you know, doing politics.
Instead of Twattering he should concentrate on setting-up his guberment as it always takes a long time in the US as you pretty much replace everyone each time, then once you've done this you try to do stuff for a little while then its back to the electioneering and the whole merry-go-round again. But no worries as I reckon he's going to try and declare martial law so he doesn't have to bother - Viva El Presidente!! And so much for the beacon of Democracy.

Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:47 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Arising_uk wrote:Walker wrote:The length of delay for cabinet confirmations is historic.
Trump still is not close to having his people in place to fulfill his promises.
Progs are trying to disrupt the transition of power in this way, and by any other means necessary.
It's what they do.
They sure can't run the country.
It’s obstruction.
The purpose is to delay.
The Progs don’t have the votes to stop the legal process.
It’s a clinch.
To while away the time, the media will smear whoever the Progs point to.
What a complete load of old nonsense given that apparently the Regressors spent all their time obstructing and stymieing Obama.
The trumpette is going to be well unhappy when he has to actually start working with your Senate and Congress, you know, doing politics.
Instead of Twattering he should concentrate on setting-up his guberment as it always takes a long time in the US as you pretty much replace everyone each time, then once you've done this you try to do stuff for a little while then its back to the electioneering and the whole merry-go-round again. But no worries as I reckon he's going to try and declare martial law so he doesn't have to bother - Viva El Presidente!! And so much for the beacon of Democracy.

Politico reports:
‘One person who frequently talks to Trump said aides have to push back privately against his worst impulses in the White House, like the news conference idea, and have to control information that may infuriate him.
He gets bored and likes to watch TV, this person said, so it is important to minimize that.’
Sounds like they are dealing with a spoilt and wilful five year old. A two-dimensional President for a two-dimensional country. I suppose it's appropriate.
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:06 am
by Walker
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sounds like they are dealing with a spoilt and wilful five year old. A two-dimensional President for a two-dimensional country. I suppose it's appropriate.
There’s one you can take to the bank.

Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:07 am
by Walker
Arising_uk wrote:What a complete load of old nonsense given that apparently the Regressors spent all their time obstructing and stymieing Obama.
The trumpette is going to be well unhappy when he has to actually start working with your Senate and Congress, you know, doing politics.
Instead of Twattering he should concentrate on setting-up his guberment as it always takes a long time in the US as you pretty much replace everyone each time, then once you've done this you try to do stuff for a little while then its back to the electioneering and the whole merry-go-round again. But no worries as I reckon he's going to try and declare martial law so he doesn't have to bother - Viva El Presidente!! And so much for the beacon of Democracy.

One would think the world needs no more refutation of Heraclitus’ insight that you can’t step into the same sewer twice.
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:42 am
by Arising_uk
Walker wrote:...
One would think the world needs no more refutation of Heraclitus’ insight that you can’t step into the same sewer twice.
You think your democracy a sewer? I agree.
our constitutional republic is a sewer
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:14 pm
by henry quirk
America is not a democracy.
Get it right, bub.
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:03 pm
by Walker
Arising_uk wrote:Walker wrote:...
One would think the world needs no more refutation of Heraclitus’ insight that you can’t step into the same sewer twice.
You think your democracy a sewer? I agree.
No, that's not what I meant.
But there was little doubt that you would think that.
And the United States didn’t even exist in Heraclitus’ day.
New day, same stink.
Re: our constitutional republic is a sewer
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:58 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
henry quirk wrote:America is not a democracy.
Get it right, bub.
Is this a no True Scotsman fallacy you are offering? Or are you just being silly.
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:53 pm
by henry quirk
As I've said before: America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
Learn it, live it, love it.
"The US has always been dangerously right-wing"
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:57 pm
by henry quirk
If you're a full-blown commie, then yeah, it probably seems that way.
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:20 pm
by Melchior
You don't know what a demagogue is, dumbass.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:36 am
by Hobbes' Choice
henry quirk wrote:As I've said before: America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
Learn it, live it, love it.
A constitutional republic IS a democracy.
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:35 am
by RWStanding
The USA is a republic
And democracy is rather an open and inexact term
Except for those who merely believe in the majority perhaps
Re: Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:40 am
by Hobbes' Choice
RWStanding wrote:The USA is a republic
And democracy is rather an open and inexact term
Except for those who merely believe in the majority perhaps
"Republic" says basically nothing if taken literally, otherwise it is about as inexact and democracy.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:49 pm
by henry quirk
Democracy is mob rule; constitutional republicanism is mob restraint.
In the first, the individual suffers; in the second, the individual flourishes (more accurately, the individual has the chance to flourish).
Democracy promotes instincts, impulses, appetites (usually those of the many arrayed against the one); constitutional republicanism promotes restraint, reason, patience (allowing one to get out from under the crush of 'we').
Democracy makes shotguns neccessary; constitutional republicanism makes shotguns optional.