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sthitapragya wrote:

ken wrote:if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse will then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss or not, but, by nature, Oneness would try to keep every species,

99.9% of all species ever created are extinct. If Oneness is trying to keep every species, it is failing miserably.

I do not recall writing the above as it appears, but that does not mean I did not. BUT, what i found I wrote was:

" HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "

What I actually added to and actually did write is: "It [Oneness] would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed

The last part clarified what I meant and the bold words were missing. I could assume what has taken place here, but I will not.

So, on what I actually DID write it now appears that Oneness is NOT at all failing miserably.

This is great evidence of how just a few words taken out, and/or words are misconstrued and/or taken out of context, can completely change the meaning and context of what is actually being written and said.

This is proof how easily things can be over looked and changed in just one discussion and one interpretation so just imagine how much things could have been over looked, changed, misconstrued, and/or taken and of context, and then translated and/or misinterpreted when being passed on and on for centuries and more.

Dontaskme wrote:

ken wrote: Truth is only truly known WHEN EVERYONE is in agreement on what the Truth is.

Ken, do you honestly believe that's ever going to happen?

I really wish people would just accept that I neither believe nor disbelieve anything. I know this is easy to forget because people really love to use that word, but....

If, for one example, every new born human baby NEEDS (clean enough) air, (clean enough) water, (little bit of) nutrients, and attention (love) to live and survive, and that is all we, human beings, need in order to live and survive, and, we all can agree with this, then that is a Truth.

IF, and only, IF agreement is found, coincidentally or willingly, then that is 'what is' Truth. That is Truth because there is no one nor no thing disagreeing with It [that Truth].

Dontaskme wrote:

ken wrote:WHEN EVERYONE is in agreement on what the Truth is..

But wouldn't that just cause an imbalance within consciousness?

Not at all. Actually, a consciously accepted agreement only reinforces consciousness. Obviously any thing that would not fit in with or belong to a Oneness, as such, would not be agreed with.

Dontaskme wrote:What about the blind men and the elephant aspect?

I have not heard that one yet.

Dontaskme wrote:Can subjective truths collectively be agreed upon?

Not necessarily so, and by definition very rarely so. But like the example I gave above every person has gone through, their own, child birth so although we may not remember it we can KNOW just by looking and watching what every new born human beings need to live and survive, and we can so easily subjectively relate to that. So, very rarely some subjective truths can be agreed upon and when agreed by ALL things, then that is the Truth, which I must reiterate is best not believed in, in case a further, newer or more Universally accepted and agreed upon Truth comes along, which is most easily seen and noticed when open to It.

By the way everything else besides what is needed to live and survive are just wants and ALL of these wants lead to greed, which then has caused pollution, which then leads to polluted air and water, whilst greed also causes lack of nutrients for some and also could be seen as the greatest cause of neglect of children, and thus of child abuse in the world. Ironically, polluted air, polluted water, lack of nutrients and child abuse are all the things we do NOT need and coincidentally do NOT want.

And, this goes on and on with one thing leading to another, proving one thing with another, which then leads onto more and more understanding, and so on and so on, until full and proper understanding from the One and only Awareness is reached and obtained.

Dontaskme wrote:On the other hand...


"Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium - we will all say to each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been so stupid?"...John Archibald Wheeler

Already been there and done that.

The simplicity in Awareness is beautiful beyond imagination. But, a spectacle to witness, know, and be bestowed upon.

Greta wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:I'm just a simple pious peasant. I do not understand the world of grown-ups... the adult mind is sick .. the adult mind has abused me all my life, I detest humans...they're not to my taste, they are disgusting creatures disguised as happy,smiley shiny, pearly white teethed hero's ...while underneath they are full of secret evil agendas.. ...there I said it.

Now please don't reply...if you do I will just ignore you. I'm just a child, please leave me alone, or I will ring child-line for support.

Oh diddums. Plenty of us have been abused. Welcome to the maelstrom.

I hope an adult would not say they are a child when really they are not. But also,

I hope an adult would not talk back to a child like that, especially after what they have just said here.

I'm out. This thread has become surreal.

A 'Child' wrote:I have never been able to live in the adult world, it's too mentally perplexing for this one - I'm just a simple pious peasant.

Critical faculties??

Such frailty under a little gentle questioning on a forum is hardly an advertisement for "silence". If this is how purveyors of truth operate, I'll take the blue pill, thanks.

Greta wrote:I'm out. This thread has become surreal.

A 'Child' wrote:I have never been able to live in the adult world, it's too mentally perplexing for this one - I'm just a simple pious peasant.

Critical faculties??

Such frailty under a little gentle questioning on a forum is hardly an advertisement for "silence". If this is how purveyors of truth operate, I'll take the blue pill, thanks.

Before you take the pill, be sure to always have the last word.


I am the last idiot.

Ken,

You've gone on and on with false assumptions and misunderstandings in regard to my communication and perspective. You can stop now. I'm done.

Thanks,

LW

ken wrote:

Greta wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:I'm just a simple pious peasant. I do not understand the world of grown-ups... the adult mind is sick .. the adult mind has abused me all my life, I detest humans...they're not to my taste, they are disgusting creatures disguised as happy,smiley shiny, pearly white teethed hero's ...while underneath they are full of secret evil agendas.. ...there I said it.

Now please don't reply...if you do I will just ignore you. I'm just a child, please leave me alone, or I will ring child-line for support.

Oh diddums. Plenty of us have been abused. Welcome to the maelstrom.

I hope an adult would not say they are a child when really they are not. But also,

I hope an adult would not talk back to a child like that, especially after what they have just said here.

Oh, caught in the nick of time. I would have missed that comment, thanks ken.

And that Greta is why I don't like you, I can't choose my family, but I can choose who I want to speak to and it's not you so get lost.

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote:I'm out. This thread has become surreal.

A 'Child' wrote:I have never been able to live in the adult world, it's too mentally perplexing for this one - I'm just a simple pious peasant.

Critical faculties??

Such frailty under a little gentle questioning on a forum is hardly an advertisement for "silence". If this is how purveyors of truth operate, I'll take the blue pill, thanks.

Before you take the pill, be sure to always have the last word.


I am the last idiot.

I was just bemused at the suggestion that I have been cruel to a child. The "child", of course, is actually an adult who referred to himself as a child in metaphysical terms during a meltdown after realising that his suggestions to others on a forum as to a better way to live were not enthusiastically received.

Not even Woody Allen could have thought this one up.

Lacewing wrote:Ken,

You've gone on and on with false assumptions and misunderstandings in regard to my communication and perspective. You can stop now. I'm done.

Thanks,

LW

Why do people even bother posting on internet forums anyway?






May the farce be with you!!!

Greta wrote: I was just bemused at the suggestion that I have been cruel to a child. The "child", of course, is actually an adult who referred to himself as a child in metaphysical terms during a meltdown after realising that his suggestions to others on a forum as to a better way to live were not enthusiastically received..

Listen, I don't relate to legalised children aka children pretending to be adults.

I only relate to the child within me always, that never pretends. In other words is real, and speaks it's own mind.

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Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote: I was just bemused at the suggestion that I have been cruel to a child. The "child", of course, is actually an adult who referred to himself as a child in metaphysical terms during a meltdown after realising that his suggestions to others on a forum as to a better way to live were not enthusiastically received..

Listen, I don't relate to legalised children aka children pretending to be adults.

I only relate to the child within me always, that never pretends. In other words is real, and speaks it's own mind.

No no no. Ken was the one who'd suggested that I'd been cruel to a child: "I hope that an adult would not speak to a child that way". He didn't read and jumped in as the protector of you - poor, picked-on "child" who wasn't being picked on anyway.

Greta wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote: I was just bemused at the suggestion that I have been cruel to a child. The "child", of course, is actually an adult who referred to himself as a child in metaphysical terms during a meltdown after realising that his suggestions to others on a forum as to a better way to live were not enthusiastically received..

Listen, I don't relate to legalised children aka children pretending to be adults.

I only relate to the child within me always, that never pretends. In other words is real, and speaks it's own mind.

No no no. Ken was the one who'd suggested that I'd been cruel to a child: "I hope that an adult would not speak to a child that way". He didn't read and jumped in as the protector of you - poor, picked-on "child" who wasn't being picked on anyway.

Yeah, I already know that. But wanted to agree with ken on this one....but feel free to have the last word even though I've asked you to stop replying to me... you just can't seem to help yourself...can you big bully.

Stop messing up my thread. Go and play in your own sandpit.

ken wrote:
By the way everything else besides what is needed to live and survive are just wants and ALL of these wants lead to greed, which then has caused pollution, which then leads to polluted air and water, whilst greed also causes lack of nutrients for some and also could be seen as the greatest cause of neglect of children, and thus of child abuse in the world. Ironically, polluted air, polluted water, lack of nutrients and child abuse are all the things we do NOT need and coincidentally do NOT want.

Wanting is the problem I agree.

I can't see greed ever changing, it's the nature of the beast. We're no different than any other animal on this planet. We just happened to evolve an awareness that can solve every problem we have self created.

It's ironic in that we create a problem and then want to solve the problem. If only we didn't create the problem in the first place, and that's the problem, in that no one is doing it...it's just what happens. Having the knowledge of right and wrong, or what's moral or not has created problems that were never there in the first place....knowledge has been our enemy.

For example: we might strive for happiness because we think we're unhappy....but life has never been unhappy to want happiness. That's the point we seem to miss.

Life doesn't want anything....it's the human wanting that's the problem, I don't think there is any hope for humans, extinction beckons.

Dontaskme wrote:Yeah, I already know that. But wanted to agree with ken on this one....but feel free to have the last word even though I've asked you to stop replying to me... you just can't seem to help yourself...can you big bully.

Stop messing up my thread. Go and play in your own sandpit.

FOR THOSE WHO MAY FEEL INCLINED TO BELIEVE THE UNBALANCED AND MISGUIDED CLAIMS ON THIS THREAD:

The above responses from DAM make clear that "stopping the mental chatter" is no panacea. It demonstrably does not prevent:

1) passive aggression and toxicity

2) emotional fragility and instability

3) manipulativeness and dirty play.

So it's fair to say we have found an example demonstrating how quieting your mind does NOTHING for emotional welfare or morality.

There is also a danger of falling into a disconnected form of sanctimony, and it's not uncommon to find somewhat people retreating into their own world and constructing empowered fanatasies about their "spiritual prowess" (before melting down at the first sign of stress). I used to see the type in mediation and yoga classes, not so much now as the Indian guru fad has thankfully faded somewhat.

The moral of this story is that thinking is GOD for you but, as with everything, it can be overdone.

PS. DAM, this is not "your" thread unless you are paying for site administration. Whatever, you've blown it. Who's going to listen to your life advice now that you've shown yourself to be so emotionally fragile?