U.S. Government-sanctioned Slavery

bobevenson · Post by **bobevenson** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:30 pm

People who question the words of a prophet amuse me in a pathetic sort of way.

Philosophy Explorer · Post by **Philosophy Explorer** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:36 pm

bobevenson wrote:People who question the words of a prophet amuse me in a pathetic sort of way.

PhilX

vegetariantaxidermy · Post by **vegetariantaxidermy** » Wed May 18, 2016 6:45 pm

[quote="Arising_uk"]
I said poppies, not heroin. Afganistan is the number one supplier of opium. Right, attack a whole country to get one person. Just like it attacked Iraq to get one person, then kept attacking it for a decade after it got him. Yep. That makes a whole lot of sense. Face it. There's money in war and we all know that money is all the yanks care about. Money and self-agrandisement.

tectuctitlay · Post by **tectuctitlay** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:41 pm

The draft (as well as other forms of legally enforced government service, such as jury duty) is not "slavery" per say, because you're being paid for your labor. It is, however, forced servitude, which violates both the letter and the spirit of the 13th Amendment.

The only problem with THAT argument though is that the Supreme court has ruled on several occasions that this form of forced servitude does not violate the 13th Amendment, because military service is a duty that we all "owe" the state... So much for "The Home of the Free", I guess.

bobevenson · Post by **bobevenson** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:26 pm

tectuctitlay wrote:The draft (as well as other forms of legally enforced government service, such as jury duty) is not "slavery" per say, because you're being paid for your labor. It is, however, forced servitude, which violates both the letter and the spirit of the 13th Amendment.

The only problem with THAT argument though is that the Supreme court has ruled on several occasions that this form of forced servitude does not violate the 13th Amendment, because military service is a duty that we all "owe" the state... So much for "The Home of the Free", I guess.

No, I'm sorry, but simply being paid for involuntary servitude does not nullify it as slavery. I hope you're not suggesting that 10 cents an hour gets the government off the hook. And the proposition that anybody owes the country for being the so-called land of the free is utter nonsense. The bottom line is that people don't want to pay the free-market price for military personnel, and would rather spend their money at the beach.

Arising_uk · Post by **Arising_uk** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:00 pm

bobevenson wrote:No, I'm sorry, but simply being paid for involuntary servitude does not nullify it as slavery. I hope you're not suggesting that 10 cents an hour gets the government off the hook. ...

$8-$11 for the standard grunt grade, plus medical treatment I assume and full board and lodging.

bobevenson · Post by **bobevenson** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:44 pm

Jesus Christ, I wasn't even talking to the likes of you! And of course, hyperbole goes right over your head!

Hobbes' Choice · Post by **Hobbes' Choice** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:04 pm

bobevenson wrote:Congress is now considering forcing women to register for selective service (the military draft system) under penalty of law instead of eliminating selective service all together. This is one of the most oppressive, despotic and tyrannical laws ever devised by the U.S. government.

Yes you are right. You should come and live in England - a free country.

bobevenson · Post by **bobevenson** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:17 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
bobevenson wrote:Congress is now considering forcing women to register for selective service (the military draft system) under penalty of law instead of eliminating selective service all together. This is one of the most oppressive, despotic and tyrannical laws ever devised by the U.S. government.
Yes you are right. You should come and live in England - a free country.

Yeah, so your criminal government can steal money out of my pocket to give to the likes of you!

Arising_uk · Post by **Arising_uk** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:23 pm

How do you get your money bob?

Philosophy Explorer · Post by **Philosophy Explorer** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:28 pm

Arising_uk wrote:How do you get your money bob?

By robbing the government.

PhilX

bobevenson · Post by **bobevenson** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:25 pm

I guarantee you that I don't get my money by stealing it like socialist governments do.

Lacewing · Post by **Lacewing** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:41 pm

bobevenson wrote:I guarantee you that I don't get my money by stealing it like socialist governments do.

Great! So where does it come from?

Philosophy Explorer · Post by **Philosophy Explorer** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:07 pm

Lacewing wrote:
bobevenson wrote:I guarantee you that I don't get my money by stealing it like socialist governments do.
Great! So where does it come from?

Bob will never give you a straight answer. He likes to fantasize.

PhilX

Lacewing · Post by **Lacewing** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:24 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Bob will never give you a straight answer. He likes to fantasize.

And evade truth.

If this is not true of him, then he'll answer.

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