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Pluto wrote:Moon rock falls to earth:

"Since 1980, over 120 lunar meteorites representing about 60 different meteorite fall events (none witnessed) have been collected on Earth..."

And you don't think that the curators might have missed them from their collections?

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I don't see any pics of the mirrors taken by the Hubble telescope, only by the supposed moon landing footage.

The Hubble doesn't have the resolution, you'd need a 75m+ telescope just to see the lander.

Hmm, as I suspected... thedoc is wrong as per usual, no suprises there.

Sigh! So we're back to Trixie's reading comprehension disability. The conversation was about mirrors on the Moon, and you stated that telescopes couldn't see that far, My link indicated that a telescope could see as far as the light that formed the image has traveled. I didn't claim that Hubble could resolve the mirrors on the Moon. If that is what you meant to say, you weren't very clear. Besides the telescope doesn't need to resolve the mirrors, it only needs to detect the flash of light from the laser.

And you don't think that the curators might have missed them from their collections?

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here.

You think NASA holds all the meteorites?

Also, think about what your figures say, 120 finds over 35 years, rare as hens teeth.

Read link I posted.

No, I don't, maybe others have them. Not sure why you say 'my figures', I didn't know I had any. And the link is just an avalanche of overwhelming evidence, I was drowned in a sea of words and had to close it. No link to a site, is going to do it. Like I said before, these are like religious texts.

The thing is, Pluto, this isn't really about whether Neil Armstrong et al walked on the moon, rather it is your belief that the powers that be are lying to us. Well, sometimes, yes they are, but there are often quite obvious reasons why they are doing so. It is also true that people in power will sometimes support other people in power, if it is in their interest to do so. The Saudi regime is revolting for all sorts of reasons, but as long as they control the world's largest oil field, the decapitation, mutilation, stoning and other charming practises visited on the people who live there, by the ruling family will be tolerated by the western powers. However, the fact that we are sometimes deceived, does not mean we are always being lied to, but I doubt anything will persuade you of that.

Well yes, uwot, the post is indirectly about our relationship to power and power's relationship to us. But also we are talking here about the moon landings, which, like I said, after I'd seen the documentary, I thought, wow, they didn't go.

Plus, we are living through a period which appears to have an array, of shall we say, events, which the official narratives of, do not add up at all. These would be connected in some way to the so-called war on terror. I wanted to discuss the moon landings (which some consider a staged event) as a 'cold subject', in that it happened over 50 years ago. To see what was thought about it, and what evidence we carry to make it real for us.

However, the fact that we are sometimes deceived, does not mean we are always being lied to, but I doubt anything will persuade you of that.

No, I can agree with this. I don't think all communication from power is lies.

Pluto wrote:No, I don't, maybe others have them. Not sure why you say 'my figures', I didn't know I had any. ...

Then go back and read your post to me.

And the link is just an avalanche of overwhelming evidence, I was drowned in a sea of words and had to close it.

Do you have a reading comprehension disorder?

No link to a site, is going to do it. Like I said before, these are like religious texts.

Nah! You are the 'religious' one as no evidence will dissuade you from what you've already decided.

Answering:

1. No

2. No

3. Maybe

thedoc wrote:Sigh! So we're back to Trixie's reading comprehension disability. The conversation was about mirrors on the Moon, and you stated that telescopes couldn't see that far, My link indicated that a telescope could see as far as the light that formed the image has traveled. I didn't claim that Hubble could resolve the mirrors on the Moon. If that is what you meant to say, you weren't very clear.

Thought it was obvious we were talking about resolving the mirrors. You can see the moon with your naked eye. So whether or not a giant space telescope can see the moon too is irrelevant.

Nothing is obvious unless it is clearly stated, I don't try to guess what the other person means. When I talk about science I try to avoid stating hypotheticals as if they were fact, and I usually let the hypotheticals to those with the means and equipment to test them, I refer to the results to the best of my understanding, and occasionally to speculation. My hypotheticals are reserved for religion.

Pluto wrote:Answering:

1. No

So you have a memory problem? As you posted numbers about meteorites.

2. No

Then the link should be easy to read as it was not much more than a few paragraphs about moon rocks. Skim it and in particular read the last paragraph.

3. Maybe

Honest at least.

"The LRRR is a roughly two foot wide panel of mirrors — 100 mirrors, at that — which helps researchers measure the distance from the Earth to the moon. Researchers, on Earth, shoot a laser at the array, which disappates to become roughly four miles wide. (Hitting the array is a tough shot –Wikipedia likens it to “using a rifle to hit a moving dime 3 kilometers (two miles) away.”) The mirrors on the array are made of “corner-cubes,” so if the beam does indeed strike it, the array bounces the light straight back along the same path – as one scientist puts it, it’s “like hitting a ball into the corner of a squash court.” And the return volley isn’t visible to the naked eye. It’s typically only one photon, visible by telescope.)"

http://nowiknow.com/mirror-mirror-on-the-moon/

(Here’s a video of the laser and telescope in action.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-aFTeXjcRw

turn sound down first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxH0EUbmV_o

Pluto wrote:turn sound down first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxH0EUbmV_o

I really am beginning to think that you are simple ,minded.