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Dershowitz put forth a strategy that someone described as “diabolical”: that they sentence Trump to a year or two but suspend the sentence with the condition that if he gets charged or convicted for some other offense, during the probation period, that the jail sentence becomes operative again.
The reason I started this thread is in the belief that Trump was doing well in the polls despite his numerous crimes.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:07 pmNegligible. He won't win the election, and the Supreme Court has nothing to work with on the NYC case he just lost, so he'll probably end up getting house arrest for that.
But after November his defence will change and be based on his mental incompetence to stand trial. He has dementia and a long standing drug abuse problem that contributes to it, so he'll be technically unable to provide adequate assistance to counsel in his own defence and will get let off on all further prosecutions. Perhaps Biden will pardon him at that stage to bring it all to a close at the federal level.
Yes, Trump is doing well enough to win the 2024 election.
Reminds me of Homelander from The Boys.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 4:39 pm
Trump is the bonafide hero of his voters. He is seen by his supporters as one who can defy the consequences of his bold actions, somewhat like a benevolent, altruistic hero could hopefully do. He is a hero to MAGA because he has the audacity to thumb his nose at his detractors.
The COVID pandemic was the only thing that took the wind out of his sails, last time. But I fear that his dumbfuckery might be able to sail full steam ahead leading the US to disaster.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 4:39 pmYes, Trump is doing well enough to win the 2024 election.
But I think this is the result of more than just the volume of disinformation directed at the voters. There has to be an interaction between the doggerel verses emanating from the Trump presidential campaign and the character traits of his supporters. There has to be a willing suspension of disbelief.
Trump is the bonafide hero of his voters. He is seen by his supporters as one who can defy the consequences of his bold actions, somewhat like a benevolent, altruistic hero could hopefully do. He is a hero to MAGA because he has the audacity to thumb his nose at his detractors.
Naturally if FOX and other righties describe his legal risk in terms of a witch-hunt that targets and victimizes him, it is easy to recognize that confirmation bias is at work among his loyal followers. He is seen as a hero under attack.
Trump’s common-man apologists are chiefly undereducated and woefully weak in the skill of critical thinking. This is evidenced by the slew of non sequiturs occasioned on his behalf. The cognitive dissonance that emanates from one side of his mouth in juxtaposition with the other side is stupefying.
By reason of disinformation, confirmation bias and mentally limited voters, Trump is definitely a potential winner of the 2024 election for the title of American President.
Better still.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:07 pmDershowitz put forth a strategy that someone described as “diabolical”: that they sentence Trump to a year or two but suspend the sentence with the condition that if he gets charged or convicted for some other offense, during the probation period, that the jail sentence becomes operative again.
This creates a mechanism that can be and will be of course activated in the future.
I don’t think of them as deplorable.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:13 pm I don’t think any of Trump’s detractors on this thread have much except a superficial grasp of the sociological underpinnings to Trump’s broad support. You only revert to one level of analysis: that his supporters are 1) deplorables and 2) under-educated.
This might help to widen your understanding.
I don’t think of them as deplorable.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:13 pm I don’t think any of Trump’s detractors on this thread have much except a superficial grasp of the sociological underpinnings to Trump’s broad support. You only revert to one level of analysis: that his supporters are 1) deplorables and 2) under-educated.
This might help to widen your understanding.
I had no idea how much "fake news" is being reported in UK until ALL the mainstream media reported a beautiful day 1st June, peaceful Brits from every country being labelled "Far-right hooligans and thugs" DISGUSTING.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:32 pmI don’t think of them as deplorable.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:13 pm I don’t think any of Trump’s detractors on this thread have much except a superficial grasp of the sociological underpinnings to Trump’s broad support. You only revert to one level of analysis: that his supporters are 1) deplorables and 2) under-educated.
This might help to widen your understanding.
Cannot abide fake news.
lol You got a dressing to put on that salad?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:24 pm It is likely that every statement you’d make will come from a prejudiced, tendentious position — a determined one held by a specific faction. Your assessments cannot likely be trusted for much.
In one sense I think you are right about the power-issue. My understanding is that different •Americas• have emerged; very different interpretations of what it is, what it should be.
On one level America is run by business and, in the end, their will will decide its present and future.
But on a social level a deep divide has opened. Unfortunately, those broad conflicts are compounded by a dozen different confusing currents and it all acts like a mire. It is very hard to arrive at clarity about what is really happening.
But once the divisions, and the breakdowns in political agreements, widen even more than they have, then the decorum of playing by the rules falls away. The game devolves into straight power principles.
At that point the struggle turns on the action of America’s political police and a para-military/intelligence establishment — the center where power actually lies. Referred to as •the deep state• it seems to me one really must understand the power-struggles occurring within those structures.
The present régime (it goes under the inaccurate title of “The Democrats”) has tremendous power for different reasons. It very well understands that a serious threat has arisen.
And all the machinations of power will be and are being brought out against it — “it” being a grouping that declares a challenge to that established structure. This is a very serious game and it is childish to believe that it has to do with “democracy” at the fundamental level. It is presented that way though.