What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Godfree]

lancek4 ,,,an interesting concept ,
that our experience is mainly controlled by our attitude,
but that is whats going on in our head ,
the reality may not change just because you have an attitude change,
so your personal emotional response to the situation effects the way you experience things . but the things are still the things ,
tomorrow you might experience the same things differently ,
so reality is still reality , your perception of what is real has changed .
the theory of relativity , the dopler effect , we may experience the pitch change as a car goes by , but the reality is the car was making the same note the whole time , it was only our perception of that note that changed .
reality will still be there , when you stop influencing it with your attitude ,
question , is the emotional response to something reality ,
or is reality the thing without attitude ,
to look at the facts honestly , means we drop the attitude ,
impartiality ,, isn't that the only way to look at the facts ,,,???

[lancek4]

lancek4 ,,,an interesting concept ,
that our experience is mainly controlled by our attitude,
but that is whats going on in our head ,
the reality may not change just because you have an attitude change,
so your personal emotional response to the situation effects the way you experience things . but the things are still the things ,
tomorrow you might experience the same things differently ,
so reality is still reality , your perception of what is real has changed .
the theory of relativity , the dopler effect , we may experience the pitch change as a car goes by , but the reality is the car was making the same note the whole time , it was only our perception of that note that changed .
reality will still be there , when you stop influencing it with your attitude ,
question , is the emotional response to something reality ,
or is reality the thing without attitude ,
to look at the facts honestly , means we drop the attitude ,
impartiality ,, isn't that the only way to look at the facts ,,,???

Yes. Hence I included the 'truth is' proposition. Since, yeah, there 'it is'.

But is is more than just choosing to look upon the world differently. I'm not sure I am capable of that because I am always using the same categories to synthesize 'new' ccategories of knowing.

[Mark Question]

Yes, and it's usually only used for testing and debugging.

not for critical thinking?

[chaz wyman]

lancek4 ,,,an interesting concept ,
that our experience is mainly controlled by our attitude,
but that is whats going on in our head ,
the reality may not change just because you have an attitude change,
so your personal emotional response to the situation effects the way you experience things . but the things are still the things ,
tomorrow you might experience the same things differently ,
so reality is still reality , your perception of what is real has changed .
the theory of relativity , the dopler effect , we may experience the pitch change as a car goes by , but the reality is the car was making the same note the whole time , it was only our perception of that note that changed .


No its means reality is different according to where it is observed from. The observer in the car only hears a continuous note. the observer in front of the car hers a compressed note, and the one behind hears a stretched note. You are trying to say that the reality is with the passenger - why?
Who's to say where the REAL reality is?


reality will still be there , when you stop influencing it with your attitude ,
question , is the emotional response to something reality ,
or is reality the thing without attitude ,
to look at the facts honestly , means we drop the attitude ,
impartiality ,, isn't that the only way to look at the facts ,,,???

How can you be impartial? Where would you stand to be impartial?

[Godfree]

lancek4 ,,,an interesting concept ,
that our experience is mainly controlled by our attitude,
but that is whats going on in our head ,
the reality may not change just because you have an attitude change,
so your personal emotional response to the situation effects the way you experience things . but the things are still the things ,
tomorrow you might experience the same things differently ,
so reality is still reality , your perception of what is real has changed .
the theory of relativity , the dopler effect , we may experience the pitch change as a car goes by , but the reality is the car was making the same note the whole time , it was only our perception of that note that changed .


No its means reality is different according to where it is observed from. The observer in the car only hears a continuous note. the observer in front of the car hers a compressed note, and the one behind hears a stretched note. You are trying to say that the reality is with the passenger - why?
Who's to say where the REAL reality is?

reality is the car , and the note , , we may be blind but the vision still exists ,
we may be deaf but the sound was still there ,
we may be stupid but wisdom is there to be found ,
reality does not change with us ,
our perception of reality changes not reality itself ...


reality will still be there , when you stop influencing it with your attitude ,
question , is the emotional response to something reality ,
or is reality the thing without attitude ,
to look at the facts honestly , means we drop the attitude ,
impartiality ,, isn't that the only way to look at the facts ,,,???

How can you be impartial? Where would you stand to be impartial?

to seek knowledge requires us to forget what we know , assume nothing ,
and asses the situation afresh , to give each possibility equal consideration ,
if we can't do that , then our attitude will prejudice the outcome ,
we will corrupt the trial and get a dishonest result .
as I have stated many times on here ,
to remove the desire for god to exist , is necessary if you want to take an honest look at the possibility such a thing could be possible .
the honest response is no it's not possible ,
but peoples desire corrupts the outcome ,,,!!!

[lancek4]

lancek4 ,,,an interesting concept ,
that our experience is mainly controlled by our attitude,
but that is whats going on in our head ,
the reality may not change just because you have an attitude change,
so your personal emotional response to the situation effects the way you experience things . but the things are still the things ,
tomorrow you might experience the same things differently ,
so reality is still reality , your perception of what is real has changed .
the theory of relativity , the dopler effect , we may experience the pitch change as a car goes by , but the reality is the car was making the same note the whole time , it was only our perception of that note that changed .


No its means reality is different according to where it is observed from. The observer in the car only hears a continuous note. the observer in front of the car hers a compressed note, and the one behind hears a stretched note. You are trying to say that the reality is with the passenger - why?
Who's to say where the REAL reality is?

reality is the car , and the note , , we may be blind but the vision still exists ,
we may be deaf but the sound was still there ,
we may be stupid but wisdom is there to be found ,
reality does not change with us ,
our perception of reality changes not reality itself ...


reality will still be there , when you stop influencing it with your attitude ,
question , is the emotional response to something reality ,
or is reality the thing without attitude ,
to look at the facts honestly , means we drop the attitude ,
impartiality ,, isn't that the only way to look at the facts ,,,???

How can you be impartial? Where would you stand to be impartial?

to seek knowledge requires us to forget what we know , assume nothing ,
and asses the situation afresh , to give each possibility equal consideration ,
if we can't do that , then our attitude will prejudice the outcome ,
we will corrupt the trial and get a dishonest result .
as I have stated many times on here ,
to remove the desire for god to exist , is necessary if you want to take an honest look at the possibility such a thing could be possible .
the honest response is no it's not possible ,
but peoples desire corrupts the outcome ,,,!!!

I submit that for one to forget what he knows requires that he knows that there iis something to forget, and that in this proposed forgetting one has merely remained in that same condition of knowledge by which to determine what one should now know in reference to viewing something impartially.

[Godfree]

Whats stopping us from being impartial ,,???
maybe it is the lack of impartiality that stops people from seeing the truth ,
if you can't be impartial , your truth will always be clouded ,
soiled with your own thinking ,
I think I understand now why I struggle to understand peoples lack of logic ,
to be logical , you have to be impartial ,
the logic is usually lost if desire and prejudice come into it,
It appears the answer to the question is ,
"a lack of impartiality",,,!!!

[lancek4]

Whats stopping us from being impartial ,,???
maybe it is the lack of impartiality that stops people from seeing the truth ,
if you can't be impartial , your truth will always be clouded ,
soiled with your own thinking ,
I think I understand now why I struggle to understand peoples lack of logic ,
to be logical , you have to be impartial ,
the logic is usually lost if desire and prejudice come into it,
It appears the answer to the question is ,
"a lack of impartiality",,,!!!

So logic and impartiality are equivellent? And your struggle to understand peoples lack of logic - doesn't that make you partial to logic ? And doesn't that deny a predominance of human experience?

[Godfree]

Whats stopping us from being impartial ,,???
maybe it is the lack of impartiality that stops people from seeing the truth ,
if you can't be impartial , your truth will always be clouded ,
soiled with your own thinking ,
I think I understand now why I struggle to understand peoples lack of logic ,
to be logical , you have to be impartial ,
the logic is usually lost if desire and prejudice come into it,
It appears the answer to the question is ,
"a lack of impartiality",,,!!!

So logic and impartiality are equivellent? And your struggle to understand peoples lack of logic - doesn't that make you partial to logic ? And doesn't that deny a predominance of human experience?

in order to see the logic , we must remove our sunglasses ,
our rose coloured god exists glasses , it's a bit like mixing paint , if there is some colour there already , it will effect the final colour ,
partial to logic , I am partial to a bit of logic , struggling to find any in that statement , partial to logic , please explain ,
partial , partial to , likes , enjoys ,endulges in ,
and the rest makes even less sense ,
deny a predominance of human experience ,,??
how does suggesting we lack impartiality do that ,,???

[chaz wyman]

To be impartial is to imply that you have access to a totality of knowledge and judgement..
We are all partial to particular ways of thinking, judging and interpreting.
It is the act of a fool or a bigot to pretend impartiality.

[MJA]

Impartial is equal is true is absolute is certain is just is free is One is the Universe is

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MJA

[chaz wyman]

Impartial is equal is true is absolute is certain is just is free is One is the Universe is

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MJA

Impartial is not a state that can be achieved by a mortal.

[MJA]

Impartial is equal is true is absolute is certain is just is free is One is the Universe is

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MJA

Impartial is not a state that can be achieved by a mortal.

If that is what you think then it is only what you think that stands in your partial Way.

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Truth is more simple than thought!

[chaz wyman]

Impartial is equal is true is absolute is certain is just is free is One is the Universe is

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MJA

Impartial is not a state that can be achieved by a mortal.

If that is what you think then it is only what you think that stands in your partial Way.

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Truth is more simple than thought!

Gibberish.