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Venn Diagram

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I created a Venn diagram with one circle representing truth and the other representing a mental object. I’m interested in exploring the relationship between these two concepts.
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isn't truth itself a mental object?

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Gold.

… the opposite of a juxtaposition
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Impenitent wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:51 am isn't truth itself a mental object?

-Imp
- In order to fit within the limitations of “object”, even a mental object, truth would need to be a single, representational thing.
- The horse is both tall, and piebald.
- Therefore, a singular truth as a mental object representing the reality of, can only be more than one object, i.e., the truth requires a relationship.
- We, and the truth, only exist in relationship.
- The truth is, all things are compounded, including mental objects, therefore whatever is not compounded, such as God, is not a mental object ... which makes the concept tough to represent, which is why some folks won't even say the word. Any word or concept instantly projects limitations due to binary apprehension, which is likely derived from physical, bilateral symmetry.
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1 + 1 = 2

truth

all mental objects

-Imp
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Walker wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:52 pm We, and the truth, only exist in relationship.
What is that relationship as far as you see it?
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Walker wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:52 pm Any word or concept instantly projects limitations due to binary apprehension, which is likely derived from physical, bilateral symmetry.
I agree. No one wants to think of anything they can’t fully grasp
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Ollie.ha wrote: Sun May 31, 2026 1:06 am
Walker wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:52 pm Any word or concept instantly projects limitations due to binary apprehension, which is likely derived from physical, bilateral symmetry.
I agree. No one wants to think of anything they can’t fully grasp
Oh, it's not all that difficult to grasp.

Limitation applies more to the concept of Emptiness.

Emptiness is infinite potentiality.
A thing is a manifestation.

Infinite potentiality offers infinite possibilities.
A manifestation offers limited possibilities.

Ergo, any concept of God projects limitations onto God.
And then ...

The next thing you know, folks are talking about The Sky God ... usually in a dismissive way,
In an attempt to project ignorance upon the "God botherers," as they say.

Emptiness is Venn Diagram Without Borders.
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Ollie.ha wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:44 am I created a Venn diagram with one circle representing truth and the other representing a mental object. I’m interested in exploring the relationship between these two concepts.
I now have a Venn diagram with one circle representing congruence and the other representing contradiction. I’m interested in exploring the relationship between these two concepts.
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anything in one circle, its opposite in the other

roundness abounds

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Impenitent wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 7:04 pm anything in one circle, its opposite in the other

roundness abounds

-Imp
That works so long as you don’t have the triple circle Venn diagram with truth, mental objects, and whatever the middle of congruence and contradiction is…
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Ollie.ha wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 4:18 pm
The peace resulting from no-conflict congruence is the Venn overlap.
Congruence occurs when societal truth dovetails with inherent truth.
Contradiction occurs when societal truth supersedes inherent truth.
Obviously, this hinges on inherent human qualities, such as fairness.

Hypothesis:
Socialism has little congruence overlap in the Venn.
(The conflict results in an unhappy mind for the honestly ambitious).
Capitalism has a lot of congruence overlap in the Venn.
Empirical evidence supports both.
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Venn Diagram: A diagram consisting of two or more circles used to represent the information content of a categorical propositions.
Empty Extension: The extension of a term that denotes something that does not exist; the null class.
Extensional Meaning: The members of a class that a term denotes.
Denotation: Extensional meaning or extension.
Categorical Proposition: A proposition that relates two classes.
Categorical Syllogism: A syllogism in which all three statements are categorical propositions.
Syllogism: A deductive argument consisting of two premises and one conclusion.
A Categorical Syllogism is an easy way to find if your premise is logical.
Logically False: A statement that is necessarily false.
Logically True: A statement that is necessarily true.
Logic: The science that evaluates arguments.
Deductive Argument: An argument incorporating the claim that it is impossible for the conclusion to be false given that the premises are true.
Hurley Patrick J, Watson Lori. A Concise Introduction to Logic CENGAGE, 2012 CE.
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When given the topics of fully congruent or fully contradictory mental objects, what determines which topic is true?

An explanation is a statement or process that makes something clear, understandable, or easy to grasp by detailing the causes, context, or reasoning behind it. It bridges the gap between a confusing concept and a clear understanding.

How do you achieve causes, context, and reasoning?
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Ollie.ha wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 5:36 am When given the topics of fully congruent or fully contradictory mental objects, what determines which topic is true?

An explanation is a statement or process that makes something clear, understandable, or easy to grasp by detailing the causes, context, or reasoning behind it. It bridges the gap between a confusing concept and a clear understanding.

How do you achieve causes, context, and reasoning?
harmonious sorting through language brings clarity...

sometimes understanding comes without language...

blood flows from the open wound

the finger points at you...

-Imp
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