Should there be limits to an individual's property in society?

[Immanuel Can]

I don't know. Maybe it was all an over-reaction. Or maybe we've had time to achieve herd immunity since then.

You're right...you don't know.

But one thing for sure: COVID is still around, and continually mutating, as such viruses do. And yet everything -- everything -- those idiots told us to do turned out to be unnecessary.

How blatant does a failure have to be before you see it?

To be fair, many governments carried out a drastic emergency program with unbelievable efficiency in an unbelievably short period of time (something humans have only ever accomplished before during all out war mobilization).

Yes. They did the unnecessary with such blinding speed you almost might think it had to be planned...

Do the math, Gary.

[Gary Childress]

You're right...you don't know.

But one thing for sure: COVID is still around, and continually mutating, as such viruses do. And yet everything -- everything -- those idiots told us to do turned out to be unnecessary.

How blatant does a failure have to be before you see it?

To be fair, many governments carried out a drastic emergency program with unbelievable efficiency in an unbelievably short period of time (something humans have only ever accomplished before during all out war mobilization).

Yes. They did the unnecessary with such blinding speed you almost might think it had to be planned...

Do the math, Gary.

It probably was planned. It's called "disaster preparedness planning". Agencies do drills for that kind of thing. I don't know what else to tell you dude. Maybe look at that ceiling tile called "government" and hope that it's never taken out. You might miss it if it is.

[Immanuel Can]

To be fair, many governments carried out a drastic emergency program with unbelievable efficiency in an unbelievably short period of time (something humans have only ever accomplished before during all out war mobilization).

Yes. They did the unnecessary with such blinding speed you almost might think it had to be planned...

Do the math, Gary.

It probably was planned. It's called "disaster preparedness planning".

Oh. So now you even think they knew it was coming? They well might have, since they manufactured it themselves, as we now know. That lab in Wuhan did us all no favours.

Thanks, Socialists.

[Gary Childress]

Yes. They did the unnecessary with such blinding speed you almost might think it had to be planned...

Do the math, Gary.

It probably was planned. It's called "disaster preparedness planning".

Oh. So now you even think they knew it was coming? They well might have, since they manufactured it themselves, as we now know. That lab in Wuhan did us all no favours.

Thanks, Socialists.

"Disaster preparedness planning" doesn't include creating the disaster. People, and consequently the CDC, had been aware of contagious diseases needing responses since the Spanish Flu. Are you suggesting that COVID was purposely released on the world? It was all part of a conspiracy?

[MikeNovack]

And yet...where are the COVID measures today? COVID is still with us...so why no masks, no lockdowns, no painted lines to follow in grocery stores, no rationing, no closed schools, no shuttered churches, no social distancing, no COVID ID cards, no travel bans, no forced vaccinations...if it was all essential, where did all this essential stuff go?

Might I humbly suggest that you don't know much about viruses?

There are four of our "common colds" that are of the corona virus family. Each of these is the remnant of what once was like COVID. Once was a NEW corona virus strain that killed people. COVID is still around, people are still catching it (even vaccinated people) but for most now just like a bad cold or maybe even like an ordinary cold. It will always be with us, and within just a few more years we will think five corona viruses that cause common colds.

Get it? No longer such a new virus strain killing lots of people. The virus population has evolved to live with us (strains that kill people not so effective getting spread as very sick people not walking around giving to others -- ones walking around with just a "cold" do). We don't need masks, isolation, etc, NOW because no longer an emergency.

Please note it is not different than other virus families like the one we call "flu". A NEW strain (and this virus family has a mechanism to create new strains) can be very deadly, like the 1918-1919 flu pandemic. Which in that ~1 year killed 1-2% of the human population (more than any one year of the 14th Century plague pandemic). Note that it killed healthy young adults (old people had earlier in their lives been exposed to a strain similar enough that their immune system could respond to this new strain).

There WAS a COVID emergency (the emergency measures prevented it from being worse, gave time to get vaccines developed). That COVID no longer an emergency (hospitals are able to handle the much smaller number of those getting seriously ill). That does not mean that there was never an emergency.

PS --- Flu remains an ever ongoing threat, with the vaccine folks always trying to guess what the new strain might be (analyze dead birds?) The way flu makes new strains is when an animal (usually a bird) has two existing flu strains at the same time. When "reproducing" (being reproduced) in a cell of that animal sick with two strains, parts can get scrambled resulting in a new strain << MOST scrambling of parts results in a virus that won't work but SOMETIMES the scrambling results in a working virus >> And yes they USUALLY do know when this has happened (lots of dead birds)

[Immanuel Can]

It probably was planned. It's called "disaster preparedness planning".

Oh. So now you even think they knew it was coming? They well might have, since they manufactured it themselves, as we now know. That lab in Wuhan did us all no favours.

Thanks, Socialists.

"Disaster preparedness planning" doesn't include creating the disaster.

But they did. The Socialists did. And the Dems milked it for all it was worth. The Socialists at the WEF even celebrated it, and dubbed it "The Great Reset."

Fortunately, they were wrong...as Socialists generally are.

[Immanuel Can]

And yet...where are the COVID measures today? COVID is still with us...so why no masks, no lockdowns, no painted lines to follow in grocery stores, no rationing, no closed schools, no shuttered churches, no social distancing, no COVID ID cards, no travel bans, no forced vaccinations...if it was all essential, where did all this essential stuff go?

Might I humbly suggest that you don't know much about viruses?

We know a few things about this one. It was created by Socialists, in a lab in Wuhan. And now we know it turned out to be a whole lot less deadly than they wanted us to believe it was.

I think we know what we need to know about that.

[phyllo]

I must congratulate you on your ability to change the subject.

Oh, shiny Covid conspiracy.

[Immanuel Can]

I must congratulate you on your ability to change the subject.

Oh, shiny Covid conspiracy.

Don't congratulate me. Congratulate Socialists on their ability to ruin life for everybody on multiple fronts. It's truly amazing.

[MikeNovack]

We know a few things about this one. It was created by Socialists, in a lab in Wuhan. And now we know it turned out to be a whole lot less deadly than they wanted us to believe it was.

I think we know what we need to know about that.

Isn't it more likely that the Chinese virologists had noted this new strain of corona virus (around the "wet markets") and had gotten samples to the lab to study it? JUST LIKE IS DONE HERE (or is done here when we have sane leadership running the CDC). What the hell do you think a virus research lab does.

Generally they re busy studying new virus strains BEFORE known whether a risk for human to human transmission. If just other animal to other animal or other animal to human not going to get a (human) epidemic, but initially whether this is the case not yet known.

Have you been buying eggs over the last year? Seen the (huge) price spike as chicken flocks were exterminated if a case of the new bird flu was detected in them? Look IC, do you personally know any research virologists? I do.

[Immanuel Can]

Look IC, do you personally know any research virologists? I do.

Yep, actually.

[FlashDangerpants]

Look IC, do you personally know any research virologists?

Of course he does, and they are all Democrats too, but they turn to him for advice.

You're kind of new to this IC thing aren't you?

[phyllo]

Look IC, do you personally know any research virologists? I do.

Is that important?

Is someone completely discredited if they don't know any research virologists? A STFU situation?

[MikeNovack]

Look IC, do you personally know any research virologists? I do.

Is that important?

Is someone completely discredited if they don't know any research virologists? A STFU situation?

Not exactly. You don't have to know somebody personally to find out what's real or not in the popular news. A professional in that area of research. But it helps, Thus...

I do know virus researchers.
I do know nuclear physicists (so can find out each time in the news hype about "fusion closer to practical" << note: that would provide a solution to sustainability at our current level of human population >>

BUT -- I did not know the glacier researcher just back from Thwaites Glacier (so could ask has collapse begun and irreversible). Able to ask her about that AFTER her presentation on a very different topic, something she had worked on before her stint in Antarctica. So can just be by chance.

The popular news/ internet us NOT where you can confirm what's real and what's not in science. And it can take years before publication in tha reputable journals (and access often not inexpensive)

[Immanuel Can]

...it can take years before publication in tha reputable journals (and access often not inexpensive)

Well, this is not that.

It did not take a virologist to prove to us that COVID was overblown. We can see it in the lack of corpses. And it doesn't take an immunologist to tell us that the story about the vaccines never added up. And the Wuhan source is not even disputed anymore. And the "two weeks to flatten the curve" line certainly proved to be a lie. And we don't need a judge to tell us that keeping things like casinos and street riots open, and churches and schools closed, was hugely unjust. We only need common sense to know we were lied to...a lot...and by our politicians, and by supposed "medical experts" like Fauci.

All of that is proved by the fact that the horror stories they predicted not only never materialized, but that all the COVID measures are now gone. We got played. And very dangerously, people are going to be far more reluctant to take any future threat seriously. That's what "crying wolf" will do. It's in nobody's interests.