The Democrat Party Hates America

[Belinda]

Seeds wrote regarding Immanuel Can's punitive god/God:

Man, life sure would suck under those conditions, no? Especially for the billions of humans on earth who, due to the circumstances of where they were born on this planet, were indoctrinated into something other than Christianity.

Now I am not suggesting that a person who can be so wildly irrational in one area cannot be rational in other areas, however, it sure does call into question one's "core source" of rationality.

I wrote 'god' without a capital letter because of the message of Xenophanes as quoted earlier. IC is indoctrinated by aspects of his culture more so than Seeds , me, or yourself. Cultures can make people stupid although as seeds wrote

Man, life sure would suck under those conditions, no? Especially for the billions of humans on earth who, due to the circumstances of where they were born on this planet, were indoctrinated into something other than Christianity.

Now I am not suggesting that a person who can be so wildly irrational in one area cannot be rational in other areas, however, it sure does call into question one's "core source" of rationality.

The circumstances of IC determine who he is at any point in time. Dasein. -----We would all of us enjoy a rock of ages to be real and presumably someone got at IC before he was aged 7 years and persuaded him that Biblical literalism is a uniquely sure way to the rock of ages. As Seeds wrote

Man, life sure would suck under those conditions, no? Especially for the billions of humans on earth who, due to the circumstances of where they were born on this planet, were indoctrinated into something other than Christianity.

Seeds also wrote:

Now I am not suggesting that a person who can be so wildly irrational in one area cannot be rational in other areas, however, it sure does call into question one's "core source" of rationality.

and I agree even to the extent that bad is the absence of good: "core source" in my book is the good which some cultures cause to disappear leaving a weakened species of man . IC would say that the goodis to be known from literal reading of The Bible. Such a monumental lack of humility I guess was instilled in IC by significant others who didn't teach him how to know himself.
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You say that RC as established by Constantine allowed plenty of wiggle room. I am inclined to agree, as every Roman Catholic I have met (about ten or so individuals at a rough count) has been especially nice friend or acquaintance whose religiosity was not didactic at all, and compos mentis too.
I enjoyed your explanation of the word 'catholic'. I knew of the meaning of the word but I hadn't before thought of it as good for social -psychological health.

[Walker]

What a bunch of wankers.
You bring shame upon the House of PN.

You do realize, objectively speaking, that ad hominems, even those ad hominems cloaked by ostensibility, just scream and shout.

You know what they scream and shout?

Intellectual Impotence. The dreaded II. Apparently and paradoxically, it strikes those set in their ways.

I figured someone should tell y’all, that.
This is very disappointing.

Now, quit crapping in this thread and get back on topic, if you please, which is analysis of Democrat-style hatred.
There have been enough demonstrations of the style.

Isolate … Demonize … Destroy.

How cleverly this is done defines Democrat intelligence.

[Walker]

Trump uses TDS against the Democrats That Hate America.
Quite effectively, btw.

He invariably takes the 80 side, of 80/20 issues.
Democrats afflicted with TDS have no choice but to take the 20 side.
TDS is like a biological, physical virus ... and it happens in the mind. Maybe in the brain, too.

- TDS causes the afflicted to oppose Trump on everything, no matter the issue.
- This makes it easy for Trump.
- He takes simple, easy to understand issues, e.g., the destruction of women’s sports. He says that women’s sports should not be destroyed.
- The TDS afflicted who hear this automatically take the opposite position.
- The TDS afflicted say that women’s sports should be destroyed. Of course, they don’t say it that way. They find ways to justify the destruction.

- Trump isn’t leaving the security of federal buildings in the incompetent, distrustful, law-breaking, oath-defying, Democrat hands of local government officials, not when the TDS MO is to burn police stations, firehouses, businesses, automobiles, and other concrete symbols of the peaceful civilization that Trump represents … not to mention all the other mean and nasty things done while in the USA while flying foreign flags. (invasion)

[FlashDangerpants]

He invariably takes the 80 side, of 80/20 issues.

That's just populism.

[FlashDangerpants]

It really isn't.

It sort of is for him tbh. We mock him for his failures to read accurately, but we don't take into account how much more effort it takes to read properly if you need to use cognitive methods to uncover social cues that other people pick up without issue.

Well yeah, I do feel I should feel more pity, but shit on a stick, he makes it hard.

Well at least Walker's got his back, so he has the friends he deserves.

[Belinda]

Thanks Will Bouwman for the link https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-025-04511-0 which I read as well as I could. The correlations were sound I suppose, I have a query about the methodology:-

* There seemed to be no mention of learned associations of hue, tone, and shade with aesthetic and moral values. That colour perception is a gestalt does not invalidate their findings but I think they should have mentioned it.

* I read researchers' bias in their reliance on a Edinburgh study of right and left -handedness which unwittingly equated 'right' with positive and 'left' with negative. Rightness and leftness is an ancient socially- constructed bias, and I am surprised scientific correlations of
mind and matter don't take it into account.

[FlashDangerpants]

Thanks Will Bouwman for the link https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-025-04511-0 which I read as well as I could. The correlations were sound I suppose, I have a query about the methodology:-

* There seemed to be no mention of learned associations of hue, tone, and shade with aesthetic and moral values. That colour perception is a gestalt does not invalidate their findings but I think they should have mentioned it.

Their claim was only to have detected a brain structure for qualia. The point of quales is to be indivisible units of experience. Why are you lading them with this other stuff?

[Belinda]

What a bunch of wankers.
You bring shame upon the House of PN.

You do realize, objectively speaking, that ad hominems, even those ad hominems cloaked by ostensibility, just scream and shout.

You know what they scream and shout?

Intellectual Impotence. The dreaded II. Apparently and paradoxically, it strikes those set in their ways.

I figured someone should tell y’all, that.
This is very disappointing.

Now, quit crapping in this thread and get back on topic, if you please, which is analysis of Democrat-style hatred.
There have been enough demonstrations of the style.

Isolate … Demonize … Destroy.

How cleverly this is done defines Democrat intelligence.

Walker, if you did not already know it, the title of this thread is an example of non sequitur , like "When did you stop beating your wife" .

The title question is impossible to answer honestly. It is dishonest to claim "Democrat-style hatred" exists.

[Immanuel Can]

But whether those claims are actually grounded in a better or worse view of things is yet to be determined.

That ship sailed long ago, you're just not on board.

That ship maybe didn't float in the first place. We'll see.

If qualia can be mapped, who is to say that all the phenomena on your list can't be?

That's not a great argument. It's the old "eliminativist" optimism again.

No it isn't. It is me being comfortable admitting the limits of what I can know in contrast to your terror of not knowing.

Yeah, it is. You're not "admitting the limits of what you can know," but rather, asserting an open-ended optimism about what science can achieve, based on nothing more than its success in an unrelated area. Your own video makes the point well: to paraphrase, you can no more know what science will be able to achieve in an area unrelated to its previous successes than you can travel to an "alternate universe" of the Multiverse Hypothesis.

So whatever you may or may not know about the history of science, your grasp of the philosophy of science is a little off base. That much, we can safely say. The leap from "science has done X" to "therefore science will one day do Y, Z, and A" is simply a bridge too far.

[FlashDangerpants]

It's amazing how wrong we all are about the contents of our own beliefs and intentions on a daily basis. Luckily mister Can is on hand to remind us that actually the contents of our beliefs and intentions are for him to assign to us, not for us to form by ourselves.

[Will Bouwman]

Thanks Will Bouwman for the link https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-025-04511-0

You're welcome.

...which I read as well as I could.

This topic might be better served a thread of its own, but since it upsets Walker, this is clearly the place for it.
Yeah, I didn't find it easy. I think it's down to aesthetics. When I read Wittgenstein's Tractatus, the only bit that stuck, other than beginning and end, was his proposal that the contents might only be understood by people who already have similar opinions. I didn't and don't now, nor did Wittgenstein himself 10 years on, but I think he was right that beliefs are essentially aesthetic. So while the basic claim isn't complicated, it just doesn't resonate with me.

* I read researchers' bias in their reliance on a Edinburgh study of right and left -handedness which unwittingly equated 'right' with positive and 'left' with negative. Rightness and leftness is an ancient socially- constructed bias, and I am surprised scientific correlations of
mind and matter don't take it into account.

Yeah, left is manifestly associated with evil by the likes of Walker and Mr Can. The French for left is gauche and in Italian it's sinistra; clumsy and sinister in English. There's stuff in the bible about God's left hand which Mr Can would know more about than me, but I think that's the root of it.

[seeds]

- TDS causes the afflicted to oppose Trump on everything, no matter the issue.
- This makes it easy for Trump.
- He takes simple, easy to understand issues, e.g., the destruction of women’s sports. He says that women’s sports should not be destroyed.
- The TDS afflicted who hear this automatically take the opposite position.
- The TDS afflicted say that women’s sports should be destroyed. Of course, they don’t say it that way. They find ways to justify the destruction.

Well, as the old worn-out cliché goes,...

"even a broken clock is correct twice a day"

...Trump has the part about wanting to protect women's sports right, something of which I whole-heartedly agree with.

So, even us TDSers...

(Trump's Delusion Seers -- Trump's Demon Sensors -- Trump's Destruction Seekers)

...can agree with him on certain issues.

However, based on his total lack of sincerity behind whatever he espouses for the sake of garnering support from his MAGA cult,...

...never doubt for one second that if Trump thought he could make a buck off of it, he would gladly arrange to have Mike Tyson beat Laila Ali to a bloody pulp in a "pay-per-view" boxing event.
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[Will Bouwman]

It's the old "eliminativist" optimism again.

No it isn't. It is me being comfortable admitting the limits of what I can know in contrast to your terror of not knowing.

Yeah, it is. You're not "admitting the limits of what you can know," but rather, asserting an open-ended optimism about what science can achieve, based on nothing more than its success in an unrelated area.

That's news to me. I remember saying I don't know what the limits of physics are several times. Are you sure you have the right Will Bouwman?

[Immanuel Can]

No it isn't. It is me being comfortable admitting the limits of what I can know in contrast to your terror of not knowing.

Yeah, it is. You're not "admitting the limits of what you can know," but rather, asserting an open-ended optimism about what science can achieve, based on nothing more than its success in an unrelated area.

That's news to me. I remember saying I don't know what the limits of physics are several times. Are you sure you have the right Will Bouwman?

I just go by what you write. I have no more to go on. This is a written format.

[Will Bouwman]

It's amazing how wrong we all are about the contents of our own beliefs and intentions on a daily basis.

Isn't it? Imagine my surprise to find out I believe something I don't believe.

Luckily mister Can is on hand to remind us that actually the contents of our beliefs and intentions are for him to assign to us, not for us to form by ourselves.

We should all thank God for that.