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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Age wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:55 am
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am We are all sacrificial lambs in the sense that human life(and the lives of other sentient creatures) takes place in an environment that is mostly cruel and unjust.
1. The non human made environment is not cruel nor unjust at all.

2. A certain amount of the adult human being created environment, however, is cruel and unjust.
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am We are all lambs to the slaughter: if we are not killing other life forms to survive we are slaughtering each other in wars.
So, again, 'the environment' in which you are speaking of, here, is a human being created environment only.

Also, you human beings do not even have to keep doing what you mentioned, here. But, if you do keep doing these things, then there is no wonder at all why you are living in 'an environment', which is mostly cruel and unjust.
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am Our only saving grace as human beings is to willingly sacrifice ourselves for others' sake.
you say 'this', but then there is another one who says and claims that human beings are only good to 'compete' and to 'defeat' each other.

So, once more, 'we' can clearly see, here, just how many different views can be 'had' when it is the 'exact same thing' that is being 'looked at', and 'observed'.
You don't take much interest in zoology do you.
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:00 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:13 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:23 pm

The general public tend to see more evil than good and they are wrong.

You are correct, but forget that we are good to each other so as to eventually compete and defeat the other guy.

Remember that song? Everybody wants to rule the world.
If, in fact, "Everybody wants to rule the world", how wouldn't that beget more and more evil until only one is left standing?

Similarly with "we are good to each other so as to eventually compete and defeat the other guy".

For all intents and purposes the underlying problem of human generated evil is that there are so many self-centered/selfish individuals. Even worse, many not only support it, they hold it in high regard. Consider capitalism for example. Also consider that many are so perverted by their self-centered views, that they are afraid of foreign countries sending "criminals and rapists" (based on false claims) to the US while at the same time are all for having one as their leader.
Many are self centered and selfish?
LOL.
We all are that. In fact, your selfish gene, like mine, controls me.

If you do not want to be the fittest and rule, then you have reached your level of competence/incompetence, and have settled for what you are.
No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:00 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:13 pm

If, in fact, "Everybody wants to rule the world", how wouldn't that beget more and more evil until only one is left standing?

Similarly with "we are good to each other so as to eventually compete and defeat the other guy".

For all intents and purposes the underlying problem of human generated evil is that there are so many self-centered/selfish individuals. Even worse, many not only support it, they hold it in high regard. Consider capitalism for example. Also consider that many are so perverted by their self-centered views, that they are afraid of foreign countries sending "criminals and rapists" (based on false claims) to the US while at the same time are all for having one as their leader.
Many are self centered and selfish?
LOL.
We all are that. In fact, your selfish gene, like mine, controls me.

If you do not want to be the fittest and rule, then you have reached your level of competence/incompetence, and have settled for what you are.
No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.

I do not see wisdom in ignoring either.

I bet you that you cannot come up with a plausible scenario to prove your theory.

Show how you would veto your love for your mate, or the hate that you would have against what has him or her in jeopardy.
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:00 pm

Many are self centered and selfish?
LOL.
We all are that. In fact, your selfish gene, like mine, controls me.

If you do not want to be the fittest and rule, then you have reached your level of competence/incompetence, and have settled for what you are.
No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.

I do not see wisdom in ignoring either.

I bet you that you cannot come up with a plausible scenario to prove your theory.

Show how you would veto your love for your mate, or the hate that you would have against what has him or her in jeopardy.
Your views are simplistic. Those having self-centered/selfish views typically also have simplistic views, so that comes as no surprise.

As but one example, you say, "your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end". Do you think that there is nothing to sayings such as: "blinded by hatred"? "blinded by love"? What do you think they mean?
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:07 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:46 am
Greatest I am wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:23 pm

The general public tend to see more evil than good and they are wrong.
If 'this' is what you 'see' and want to say and claim, then okay.

Greatest I am wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:23 pm You are correct, but forget that we are good to each other so as to eventually compete and defeat the other guy.
I do not see this. But, then again, 'i' do 'look at' and 'see' most things differently to 'you' human beings.

What do you 'see' is the 'thing' or 'things' that you human beings are supposedly being 'good' to each other over or for, so as to eventually 'compete' and 'defeat' each other?

In other words, what is 'it', exactly, that you are only being 'good' to each other for?

Until you explain and show what 'it' is, exactly, the very reason, that I see humanity, on the whole, love and cherish each other for, is very, very different. To me the very reason why human beings love and cherish each other is certainly not to 'compete' for any thing nor to 'defeat' each other over any thing at all. To me the very reason you human beings love and cherish each other is the exact opposite.

Greatest I am wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:23 pm Remember that song? Everybody wants to rule the world.
Are the heading titles to all songs real and true, to you?

And, 'I' for One certainly never ever wanted to rule 'the world', nor even just any person, at all. But, then again, 'I' am not any body.
You have just forgotten your birth rite and first thoughts. Know thyself.

If you can believe in your real beginning, you will know thyself.

Knowing thyself is said to be the main way of gaining knowledge.

I took my wife time travelling, mentally that is, the other night, from our present time, down to where she first became aware of herself as alive. Her “I am” moment.

At her present time, I had her admit that she was working towards her best possible end to her life. Just as I and all those who are reading this do. We do this perpetually and constantly.

I then had her follow her timeline back to her beginning, having to admit that her best end was always her prime focus, as it is with all life. Amendment. She agreed to all times except for the “I am”. I don’t know what to make of this lack of logic after following a plain logic trail. This aside.

“I am”, read that as “you and I”, is quite selfish. Universal this in life.

Some thank God. I thank nature and my God, I am, should he/I end in being real.

We are all expressed by our DNA and chemistry. It produces a material dualism that has most of us thinking in a body soul way. 95%.

What is the best end to our bodies, given that our DNA is telling us we are the best of breed?

Read that as King or Queen, or Alpha/Beta in our physical animal reality.

What is the best end for our bodies and souls is that we should try to become leaders of humans?

What is the best end for our souls is to become leader of heaven. Remember that Jesus dethroning his father.

We are all born wanting to be masters of both the physical world, and the other imagined supernatural world, should it be real.

I still have my initial desire to show my best of breed fitness in both the physical and spiritual realms. I still want to be King or God.

Do you?

What are you doing to further your first thinking and goal in life on becoming our next King/God or Queen/Goddess?
But, 'I' had not forgotten that. So, why did 'you' believe 'I' did?

By the way do 'you' even know what the words 'I' and 'you' are even referring to, here, exactly?

If yes, then, 'Who am 'I', and, 'Who are 'you', exactly?
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Belinda wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:13 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:55 am
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am We are all sacrificial lambs in the sense that human life(and the lives of other sentient creatures) takes place in an environment that is mostly cruel and unjust.
1. The non human made environment is not cruel nor unjust at all.

2. A certain amount of the adult human being created environment, however, is cruel and unjust.
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am We are all lambs to the slaughter: if we are not killing other life forms to survive we are slaughtering each other in wars.
So, again, 'the environment' in which you are speaking of, here, is a human being created environment only.

Also, you human beings do not even have to keep doing what you mentioned, here. But, if you do keep doing these things, then there is no wonder at all why you are living in 'an environment', which is mostly cruel and unjust.
Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:14 am Our only saving grace as human beings is to willingly sacrifice ourselves for others' sake.
you say 'this', but then there is another one who says and claims that human beings are only good to 'compete' and to 'defeat' each other.

So, once more, 'we' can clearly see, here, just how many different views can be 'had' when it is the 'exact same thing' that is being 'looked at', and 'observed'.
You don't take much interest in zoology do you.
Do you yet know what separates human beings from all of the other animals?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly?

Now, studying animals as though because the majority might act or behave in 'some way/s' never means that all animals must act or behave in the 'exact same way/s'.
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:00 pm

Many are self centered and selfish?
LOL.
We all are that. In fact, your selfish gene, like mine, controls me.

If you do not want to be the fittest and rule, then you have reached your level of competence/incompetence, and have settled for what you are.
No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.
Besides 'death', what is your best possible 'end', exactly?
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm I do not see wisdom in ignoring either.

I bet you that you cannot come up with a plausible scenario to prove your theory.

Show how you would veto your love for your mate, or the hate that you would have against what has him or her in jeopardy.
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ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:31 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm

No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.

I do not see wisdom in ignoring either.

I bet you that you cannot come up with a plausible scenario to prove your theory.

Show how you would veto your love for your mate, or the hate that you would have against what has him or her in jeopardy.
Your views are simplistic. Those having self-centered/selfish views typically also have simplistic views, so that comes as no surprise.

As but one example, you say, "your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end". Do you think that there is nothing to sayings such as: "blinded by hatred"? "blinded by love"? What do you think they mean?
Neither does your grandiosity.
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What's the flavour of the month?

Aripiprazole?
Clozapine?
Olanzapine?
Ouetiapine?
Risperidone?
or just lithium?
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Age wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 6:46 am
Belinda wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:13 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:55 am

1. The non human made environment is not cruel nor unjust at all.

2. A certain amount of the adult human being created environment, however, is cruel and unjust.



So, again, 'the environment' in which you are speaking of, here, is a human being created environment only.

Also, you human beings do not even have to keep doing what you mentioned, here. But, if you do keep doing these things, then there is no wonder at all why you are living in 'an environment', which is mostly cruel and unjust.


you say 'this', but then there is another one who says and claims that human beings are only good to 'compete' and to 'defeat' each other.

So, once more, 'we' can clearly see, here, just how many different views can be 'had' when it is the 'exact same thing' that is being 'looked at', and 'observed'.
You don't take much interest in zoology do you.
Do you yet know what separates human beings from all of the other animals?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly?

Now, studying animals as though because the majority might act or behave in 'some way/s' never means that all animals must act or behave in the 'exact same way/s'.
Human culture differs from the cultures of other animals because human language allows for abstractions from immediate events and situations.

True, all animals don't act in exact same ways. However the natural world does include all animals including the human , and also includes vegetable and mineral forms of existence.
When I say "the environment" I mean the total environment. Within the total environment all sentient life can and does suffer.
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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 10:24 am What's the flavour of the month?

Aripiprazole?
Clozapine?
Olanzapine?
Ouetiapine?
Risperidone?
or just lithium?
Mood changing drugs don't necessarily affect rationality. Lithium does not affect rationality.
Clozapine may improve some domains of cognitive function in patients with TRS, particularly over a longer duration. Regular monitoring of cognitive function in this patient population with a brief, easily administered tool such as the Digit Symbol Coding test may have clinical utility.


Dr Miller is a professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Health Behavior at Augusta University in Georgia. He is on the Editorial Board and serves as the schizophrenia section chief for Psychiatric Times®. The author reports that he receives research support from Augusta University, the National Institute of Mental Health, and the Stanley Medical Research Institute.
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ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:31 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm

No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.

I do not see wisdom in ignoring either.

I bet you that you cannot come up with a plausible scenario to prove your theory.

Show how you would veto your love for your mate, or the hate that you would have against what has him or her in jeopardy.
Your views are simplistic. Those having self-centered/selfish views typically also have simplistic views, so that comes as no surprise.

As but one example, you say, "your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end". Do you think that there is nothing to sayings such as: "blinded by hatred"? "blinded by love"? What do you think they mean?
Being able to be fooled or blinded by ones thinking and emotions can happen.

I may be thinking simplistically, but I have logic and reason and all you have is opinion without argument.

Better simple than stupid.
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Age wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 6:33 am

But, 'I' had not forgotten that. So, why did 'you' believe 'I' did?

By the way do 'you' even know what the words 'I' and 'you' are even referring to, here, exactly?

If yes, then, 'Who am 'I', and, 'Who are 'you', exactly?
I know a line of thought is to be ignored when it refers to changing definitions of well defined words.

If you have special non-dictionary definitions for those common words, let's hear them.
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Age wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 6:50 am
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:45 pm

No doubt those are but two of the many rationalizations to which the self-centered/selfish subscribe. They only "control" YOU, because you allow them to control you. You have full veto power. By failing to exercise that power, you have already "settled for what you are".
I don't know if you can truly veto your instincts, but your love biases and hate biased are there to help you reach your best possible end.
Besides 'death', what is your best possible 'end', exactly?
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:09 pm
Death with dignity verses something less.
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Re: What is the concept of God philosophically?

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Belinda wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 11:56 am
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 10:24 am What's the flavour of the month?

Aripiprazole?
Clozapine?
Olanzapine?
Ouetiapine?
Risperidone?
or just lithium?
Mood changing drugs don't necessarily affect rationality. Lithium does not affect rationality.
Clozapine may improve some domains of cognitive function in patients with TRS, particularly over a longer duration. Regular monitoring of cognitive function in this patient population with a brief, easily administered tool such as the Digit Symbol Coding test may have clinical utility.

Dr Miller is a professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Health Behavior at Augusta University in Georgia. He is on the Editorial Board and serves as the schizophrenia section chief for Psychiatric Times®. The author reports that he receives research support from Augusta University, the National Institute of Mental Health, and the Stanley Medical Research Institute.
My very close observation, couldn't have been closer, over more than 20 years, was that rationality was correlated with positive mood, but not extreme positive.
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