The Democrat Party Hates America

[Immanuel Can]

What if he's (1) a member of a terrorist organization, or (2) a drug running operation, or (3) a human trafficking operation?

1) That would literally fall under the category of terrorist, enemy combatant, etc. He would be arrested obviously but there may be some legal differences under military law, if it applied.

Note that this is why the Trump administration attempts to classify Tren de Aragua members as “enemy combatants”. The administration has much more freedom in how they treat them. A few hundred were handed over to El Salvador.

And the problem with this is...exactly what?

[mickthinks]

Not for you, maybe. You just want to keep all the drug lords, rapists, terrorists and child abusers in the country, so the Dems get their program.

If the Dems’ programme is American freedom, they should get it, shouldn’t they?

Does Manny hate America’s freedom? Does he hate America?

[FlashDangerpants]

Due process was denied, the situation must be remedied.

"Due process" applies to citizens only.

Due process is a well established legal doctrine that has been around for many centuries and is the basis of the legal systems in all countries that operate the Anglo Saxon Legal Code. Countries with that code include the United States, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Hong Kong (still).... So you have a doctrine of due process in your country too and it applies to you. It also applies to everybody else in the country irrespective of citizenship.

It is not an obscure thing just because you only learned of its existence last week. It first manifests in 1215 in a document called the Magna Carta. The (modernised) text of Clause 39 of the MC reads "No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or dispossessed, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon or send upon him except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land". The phrase “due process of law” first appeared as a substitute for Magna Carta’s “the law of the land” in a 1354 statute of King Edward III that restated Magna Carta’s guarantee of the liberty of the subject. The primary American establishment of Due Process lies in the Fifth and fourteenth amendments, neither of which reserves due process to Americans.


There is no need to worry about which process. It is not the case that due process is denied to non-citizens, therefore the claim "Due process" applies to citizens only is a lie.

[Alexis Jacobi]

And the problem with this is...exactly what?

The fundamentals of American Constitutional jurisprudence are easy to grasp.

Some stumble really heavily over the basics.

Myself, I arrive at psychological explanations as to why this is (as you might have guessed).

[Walker]

Re: due process, Garcia

“To succeed in getting a withholding of removal, an alien is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on his race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion.”
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/116730-a ... 2025-04-25

Comment: Garcia failed to establish this risk because the facts of his life did not meet the criteria.

The link supplies some facts and a chain of events. However, the conclusion of the chain falls short.

In short, Garcia stayed in the country too long, putting down his gangster roots, because the Democrats That Hate America purposely overwhelmed and thus corrupted the due processes of the legal immigration system.

So, due process was not followed, in the sense that Garcia was allowed to enter illegally and stay too long, because of an overwhelmed system that was corrupted by you know who.

That does not give him the right to stay and be a citizen, now.

[Immanuel Can]

Not for you, maybe. You just want to keep all the drug lords, rapists, terrorists and child abusers in the country, so the Dems get their program.

If the Dems’ programme is American freedom, they should get it, shouldn’t they?

Their program is "take power, and milk the American taxpayer for all he's got." That has nothing to do with freedom. People who like Americans can see that. Those who don't, just root for the most Socialist-colluding party that's available.

[Immanuel Can]

Due process was denied, the situation must be remedied.

"Due process" applies to citizens only.

Due process...
There is no need to worry about which process.

The process that applies to alien invaders is called "extradition." That's what they're "due."

[Immanuel Can]

And the problem with this is...exactly what?

The fundamentals of American Constitutional jurisprudence are easy to grasp.

I didn't ask about that. I asked why it's bad to deport alien invaders.

In other words, why would it be wrong to class criminal organizations that come with drugs and guns as terrorist organizations or enemy combatants? Do you think that's not what they are? Do you think they're "Americans," even though until their feet hit the ground, they used to be Venezuelans or El Salvadorians? What sort of magic soil does America have?

[FlashDangerpants]

Due process was denied, the situation must be remedied.

"Due process" applies to citizens only.

No it doesn't

[Immanuel Can]

Due process was denied, the situation must be remedied.

"Due process" applies to citizens only.

No it doesn't

Which "process"?

[Walker]

(continued)

The POTUS must now fulfill his job responsibility of protecting the country by ejecting invaders, by exercising the Plenary Power of The Executive Branch to handle the crisis, which unfortunately will break some hearts.

The precedent for the action is Lincoln’s suspension of habeus corpus, deemed necessary in a crisis, by the decision of the Top Executive, in the due process chain that protects the country.

Presidential decisions are part of the due process entrusted to the authority of the Executive Branch, a separate branch of the government equal to but separate from The Supremes, which is known for steering out of its lane by also road-raging on federalism (abortion, legalized pot, etc).

[FlashDangerpants]

"Due process" applies to citizens only.

No it doesn't

Which "process"?

You claimed there is no due process for non citizens and that is a lie. No misdirection will change that.

[Walker]

No it doesn't

Which "process"?

You claimed there is no due process for non citizens and that is a lie. No misdirection will change that.

Non-citizens are not eligible for the due process of citizens, which is what the Left expects them to get into Infinity.

That case has been made and proven. Do try and keep up, Flash.

[FlashDangerpants]

Which "process"?

You claimed there is no due process for non citizens and that is a lie. No misdirection will change that.

Non-citizens are not eligible for the due process of citizens

They are still eligible for due process, I don't know why you added that extra bit, it makes no difference at all.

[Walker]

Well, if you're seeking causation, eschewing the cud of distraction that hinges on a bickering beeach pose does wonders to clear the mental palate.