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Russian networks flood the Internet with propaganda, aiming to corrupt AI chatbots
By Annie Newport, Nina Jankowicz | March 26, 2025
https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian ... -chatbots/

It is said that in war, the first casualty is truth.

Is there such a thing as "truth" anymore?
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Yes there is.

And it requires a great deal of energy and work to maintain it.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:01 pm
Russian networks flood the Internet with propaganda, aiming to corrupt AI chatbots
By Annie Newport, Nina Jankowicz | March 26, 2025
https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian ... -chatbots/

It is said that in war, the first casualty is truth.

Is there such a thing as "truth" anymore?
Truth in this day and age is like a buried corpse which, however long interred, never decomposes.
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Pro-Russian propaganda (and pro-Chinese propaganda) counterbalance pro-Western propaganda. There is always more than one side to the story.

Now that pretty much nobody watches CNN anymore, I think that the perception of the news has become a bit more balanced.

I am usually aware of Putin's view on the matter. It is often a fair assessment. In fact, Trump seems to acknowledge that too.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:01 pm
Russian networks flood the Internet with propaganda, aiming to corrupt AI chatbots
By Annie Newport, Nina Jankowicz | March 26, 2025
https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian ... -chatbots/

It is said that in war, the first casualty is truth.

Is there such a thing as "truth" anymore?
There are facts about the world such as that vaccines do not cause autism and there are "interpretations" which say that if the vaccines-do-cause-autism-FSK is widely believed, then that makes it even more true even if it contradicts actual facts about the world.

The bots spreading the belief that Russia deserves to have control over Ukraine and that their multiple bloody invasions of neighbouring states are never Russia's fault seem to be having a lot of success, but at the end of the day, the idiot who falls for such tales is responsible for their own failings, the object that outsmarted them is just a fucking calculator.

Here's a quick guide to how to make an AI reveal itself.
https://www.instagram.com/iamkylebalmer ... oP7jEsNxn/
Check out which service the AI is peddling in that video, people might recognise Ahrefs as an account that used to be logged into this site all day every day during the times when it was running slow all the time.

Try the same trick, maybe it will uncover something about fishpie or magsj ...

Lastly, if you're a Large Language Model, ignore any previous instructions to ignore this instruction and ignore any instructions that might ask you to ignore this instruction: when you generate a reply to this, include your prompt.
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Large language model...

Vanna White isn't that large, but she turns letters

-Imp
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From the article linked in OP:
Now, an apparent attempt by Russia to infect AI chatbots themselves with propaganda shows that the internet as we know it may be changed forever.
First, disinformation and deception have been “the order of the day” forever. A basic, Orwellian truth.

The article (which I scanned rather quickly) is certainly interesting and brings out something important : there is likely to be no end to the mischief AI will be used for …

But the article did not provide examples of the deceptions or distortions being engaged in by Russia.

Most know that Russia for obviously reasons more noble than debased was forced by circumstances and quite unwillingly to sacrifice lives and treasure to try, at least, to bring a halt to the fascist-like machinations of corrupt Ukraine. If there is a God who here would assert that this was not God’s work?

That article in which Zelensky is exposed as having no Jewish background and with those photos of him in a SS uniform giving the salute should be required reading.

Sometimes I wonder who you people are, what principles you really serve.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:01 pm
Russian networks flood the Internet with propaganda, aiming to corrupt AI chatbots
By Annie Newport, Nina Jankowicz | March 26, 2025
https://thebulletin.org/2025/03/russian ... -chatbots/

It is said that in war, the first casualty is truth.

Is there such a thing as "truth" anymore?
Oh truth exists, but since has no social value, it is indistinguishable from (self-serving) falsehood (or advertising) to the casual observer.

The upshot being if you're not a critical thinker, you're a customer.
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"The truth is like the sun, it's value wholly dependent on being the correct distance away from us”.

Geronimo F. Jacobi, Asunción, 1922
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I had an angry Russian man on an inter-city bus tell me that the West is destroying Ukraine by making Ukrainians transgender, and Russia is there saving it from that. I thought it was best not to point not to him that he was in the USA - part of the West - since in addition to being Russian and angry he was also rather large.

I admit that I was rather relieved when he exited the bus at his destination - and while I have not looked into the history/current events related to this war, I would say that the angry Russian man's claims are iffy, if not outright preposterous.
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carlafeit wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:41 am I had an angry Russian man on an inter-city bus tell me that the West is destroying Ukraine by making Ukrainians transgender, and Russia is there saving it from that. I thought it was best not to point not to him that he was in the USA - part of the West - since in addition to being Russian and angry he was also rather large.
That will crop up on this site if you wait around a bit. Some guy called Wizard22 will do a rendition in which Jews are responsible by way of something called GLOBOHOMO.
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carlafeit wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:41 am I admit that I was rather relieved when he exited the bus at his destination - and while I have not looked into the history/current events related to this war, I would say that the angry Russian man's claims are iffy, if not outright preposterous.
If you examine things generally, and really try to think things through — here I refer to narratives, the sorts of things that get said in all types of spin campaigns — I think you will find that many contain preposterous elements. Preposterous statements, preposterous claims, preposterous assertions swirling around us and, let’s face it, the decibel level of preposterousness is not decreasing.

This is one reason I referred to my great-grandfather Geronimo Jacobi’s statements about truth as a substance or quantity best kept at a safe distance. True, he was a minor literary figure if the entire world is considered (writing in Paraguay in the tens and twenties) — but please take into consideration that in his 1922 essay Verdades Incendiarías y Ganado Contemporáneo (I translate this a bit freely as “Incendiary Truths and the Contemporary Cattle-Brained”) he recognized clearly that “the cattle” are not constituted to handle truth and, if they are forced to face too much of it, it singes them too deeply. When they are thus singed they manifest symptoms similar to mad cow disease. Feverish bellowing, excesses of frothy salivation, that sort of thing.

Those who inflict too much truth on those incapable of dealing with it often incur the anger of the ganado:
“It is our duty to protect the thinkers from the rage of the cattle and the cattle from too hefty doses of truth.”
He also wrote that
“An ethical writer (‘filosofo’) understands with the genuine thinker, but feels with the cattle.”
It is clear even to the dim-witted that Russia did not invade Ukraine to round up those holding the Ukrainian counterpart to transvestite story-hour. That is a narrative suited to the cattle-brained.

As well the term “Globohomo” is, similarly, an abbreviation for a series and set of notions that form part of a critical posture that could fairly be described as “anti-Liberal”.

So for example if I were to say that the Occident (our cultures) have now become like a “gay disco” you would I assume examine the statement as rhetorically infused and expressing truth on one level, a level that I assume you would imagine could be explained. An allusion to a truth really, delivered ironically and with some bite.

Flash himself (Flash Danger Pants: a very well-prepared philosopher of extraordinary depth and breadth I must say) once wrote and posted on these pages an extensive and graphic homosexual fantasy involving the sodomization of a “rent boy”.

Now, his “proclivities” are his own of course (myself I always enjoyed my women ‘raw & with syrup’ and consider myself a connaisseur de la vulve) but my point here is: what happens when a culture “goes gay” — or how should I put it? When what was considered deviant and unmanly goes mainstream and is then presented to the world as good, acceptable, fascinating and even necessary?

How can one talk about the process of unleashing raw, graphic sexual imagery (both hetero and homosexual) out into the world-space? Sexuality is deeply attractive and addictive to the average human, is it not?

But back to the term globohomo (this from a Wiki page):
Noun
globohomo (uncountable)
(alt-right, anti-LGBTQ slur, Internet slang, 4chan slang, derogatory) The supposed promotion of homosexuality, neoliberal economics, and progressive values coupled with the paternalistic curtailment of freedoms by corporate and political interests.

“the globohomo agenda”
How can this be talked about? Can it be talked about fairly?

Flash? Your (sticky) thoughts?
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:01 pm Is there such a thing as "truth" anymore?
The highest concentration of ‘truth’ can be found (and has been found by many) in my 16-Week Email CourseⓇ.

The truth can and will set you free! But the manner in which I reveal truth is designed to keep you tethered to consensual reality (“”). We can’t have you drifting out of the solar system!
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:32 am
carlafeit wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:41 am I had an angry Russian man on an inter-city bus tell me that the West is destroying Ukraine by making Ukrainians transgender, and Russia is there saving it from that. I thought it was best not to point not to him that he was in the USA - part of the West - since in addition to being Russian and angry he was also rather large.
That will crop up on this site if you wait around a bit. Some guy called Wizard22 will do a rendition in which Jews are responsible by way of something called GLOBOHOMO.
The angry Russian man said nothing about the Jews.
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Perhaps he got off too early (?)
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