How long should children remain Innocent?
Are females more 'Innocent' than males, when males are expected to fight and die in wars?
To what degree is Postmodernism and Western "Privilege" based on Innocence?
At what age(s) should children/teenagers remain sexually innocent, and in what degree (is public nudity acceptable, curse words)? Should the word "Fuck" be outlawed?
How should pubescent teenagers be introduced to Sex, what type of "Sex Education" should occur, and by whom (State/Church)?
What is the value of Innocence?
Are Postmoderns (those alive today) more, or less 'innocent' than previous generations?
What is the opinion of Postmodern adult males, Men today, who remain 'Innocent' forever--adult babies, Infantilism?
Innocence
Re: Innocence
"Value"? Why not start with the definition of Innocence?
Re: Innocence
A young child's innocence: a state of ignorance and naivety, naturally protected by biology and parental guardianship, simultaneously protecting the child from harm and forgiving social transgressions (such as violence and cursing) which adults are penalized for. For example a 5-year-old hitting another child is forgiven--but adults are expected to be charged with a crime, by Law. Children are hitherto exempt from Law, as they are presumed to be 'indoctrinated' into its sensibilities and rationales.
In short, adults are presumed to have Autonomy and Independence, children are not--separating an adult's Ignorance from a child's Innocence.
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Well according to your definition of Innocence, children's innocence has to do with their capacity (or incapacity) to appreciate the implications of their choices. Thus children's innocence has nothing to do with what parents do or don't do, it's an innate quality of the child's development.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:33 am How long should children remain Innocent?
Are females more 'Innocent' than males, when males are expected to fight and die in wars?
To what degree is Postmodernism and Western "Privilege" based on Innocence?
At what age(s) should children/teenagers remain sexually innocent, and in what degree (is public nudity acceptable, curse words)? Should the word "Fuck" be outlawed?
How should pubescent teenagers be introduced to Sex, what type of "Sex Education" should occur, and by whom (State/Church)?
What is the value of Innocence?
Are Postmoderns (those alive today) more, or less 'innocent' than previous generations?
What is the opinion of Postmodern adult males, Men today, who remain 'Innocent' forever--adult babies, Infantilism?
Neither adult women or men are therefore (child-like) innocent, so those questions are nonsensical.
Similarly (adult) philosophical and social ideologies aren't (child-like) innocent.
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I think one of the biggest problems of Humanity, is the degree by which Adults attempt to maintain (childlike) Innocence, throughout life. It's a regressive, self-defense mechanism. Innocence and Ignorance are very similar concepts. The former implies, however, a type of incapability when it comes to moral responsibility and self-awareness. For example, an 'innocent' person, or child, has not been educated or informed about the consequences of their actions.LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:37 pmWell according to your definition of Innocence, children's innocence has to do with their capacity (or incapacity) to appreciate the implications of their choices. Thus children's innocence has nothing to do with what parents do or don't do, it's an innate quality of the child's development.
Neither adult women or men are therefore (child-like) innocent, so those questions are nonsensical.
Similarly (adult) philosophical and social ideologies aren't (child-like) innocent.
So do people have an actual 'Choice' when it comes to their own innocence? Can people 'choose' to ignore what they ought to be responsible for? Adult life requires that peoples can be blamed for their actions, with accord to the Law, and Ignorance is no excuse. So if a person is unaware of the Law, then they are still culpable for their actions...by greater society if not themselves as individuals.
There is already an imbalance at work when it comes to "responsibility" between individual and society. This is the same imbalance between responsibility of children and adults. Furthermore, children are not yet even aware of what they "should be responsible for", as individuals or as social beings.
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Re: Innocence
It seem your definition of 'innocent' is confined to;
- c : lack of knowledge : ignorance
d(1) : freedom from guile or cunning : simplicity
(2) : lack of worldly experience or sophistication
e : chastity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innocence
At present all humans are programmed with the potential of puberty which is expressed only after a child has gone through some evolutional necessary years of childhood.
The puberty period has been reduced in recent years but definitely not to the point of immediately after birth or very early years.
As such, with this natural limitation, it is not optimal to expose a child to what is relevant to an adult, e.g. the what and how to of sex and whatever are so-called 'adult-things'.
In this case, the age of innocence of chastity and its related matter should last till after puberty [9-10-11 ??], however a child should be progressively educated relevantly to prepare for adulthood.
The above is not culture dependent but should be human-nature dependent.
Those cultures which had gone ahead of time should be reigned in back to nature.
As for knowledge, exposure of knowledge should be optimal to the age and well-being of the child. It not optimal to break the innocence [or ignorance] to a child with Quantum Physics or other advance knowledge [with exceptions to prodigies].
The above is related to our present time and the near future; expectations may change in the longer future.
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A MUCH MORE REASONABLE or SENSIBLE QUESTION would be some thing like:
How long 'should', (or maybe better worded, would it be best for you), human beings to remain irresponsible for?
Does ANY one have an ACTUAL CHOICE over how long they remain 'innocent' for? AND, 'innocent' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?