What Are Coincidences, and How Much in Life Is Coincidence or Something More?

[Age]

The concept of coincidence is a psychological misunderstanding of statistics. That is, it functions to provide an "explanation" of something that doesn't require an "explanation". Namely that statistically unlikely events occur routinely (at their statistically low rates).

I agree with you that the concept of coincidence is based on the psychology of statistical probability. That is probably why Jung spoke of synchronicities as involving meaning, such as when a symbolic motif in the environment ties in with what is being spoken or thought about. To some extent, it is about the state of mind which is able to notice them.

The problem in thinking about them from a philosophy, or scientific point of view, is that most coincidences, such as extrasensory perception, are anecdotal and hard to prove experimentally. I come from an interest in precognitive experiences and experience of 'strange' synchronicities, but it does seem to involve subjective interpretations.

What is 'it', or are 'they', which you claim are so-called 'strange' synchronicities, exactly?

'They' may well be 'strange', to you, only, and thus 'not strange' at all, really.

Nevertheless, the notion of coincidences is connected to the philosophy of chance and whether there is an underlying ordering principle in the universe. Even chaos theory suggests an emergent ordering principle amidst apparent chaos. It may involve strange attractors as underlying aspects of natural law in the universe, inherent in evolution and the evolution of consciousness.

There is absolutely no thing at all that is, actually, 'strange', 'in' the whole of the Universe, nor even 'about' the whole Universe, Itself. There is, also, absolutely no thing at all that is complex, nor hard, HERE.

Although, obviously some of you, here, may think or believe otherwise.

[Age]

I think coincidences are from apparent random events, from different causal chains that just happen to align unexpectedly.

Are these coincidences within the English language?

That what we consider as a man's best friend, a DOG, reverses to GOD?

If I told you that it is very hard to LIVE when EVIL is being done to you?

That we walk on our SOLES every day and we apparently have SOULS?

Who and/or what is the 'we', exactly, which 'you' claim apparently has 'souls'?

Again, there is absolutely no thing, in Life, that is 'strange', 'hard', nor 'complex'. That is; when the, actual, Truth is RE-VEALED, or UN-VEILED.

If I told you to flip a coin 100 times and heads will come up 55 times...then you do it and it does come up 55 times?

WHY did you put a question mark at the end of this statement?

Coincidence or something else affecting the causal chains?

What is the 'wink' for, exactly?

Is it a coincidence that coincidence has coinSIDEnce?

Are you aware that you are using different letters, to 'try to' make some thing appear as another thing?

Is the balance as show here of the vowels within the alphabet a strange quirk, a coincidence? Or again, is there something else affecting causality?

Does any thing effect what is eternally happening HERE, NOW?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly, and HOW does 'that' affect causality, exactly?

Vowels of the Sage



...and finally, is it a coincidence that the Tree of Knowledge from whence we are not supposed to eat the "fruit"...has the words KNOW_LEDGE?

What does the word 'ledge' have to do with 'know' word here, EXACTLY?

So.

In answer to your QUEST_ION - definitely something more..

What does the 'quest' word have to do with the 'ion' word, exactly?

[Age]

My understanding of coincidence is that it involves randomness and chance. Carl Jung spoke of synchronicity, which he saw as being about meaningful connections. However, he did not see it as involving causality itself. If anything, it would involve patterns and connections. For example, precognitive experiences may involve tuning into patterns at the perceptual level.

I am inclined to go further than Jung, in suggesting that nothing is coincidence. This would go as far as the idea that evolution is not random. Every action, at the causal level, involves complex pathways and is likely beyond the physical. It is hard to know how it works exactly, because everything is situated in chains of causality, in space and time. However, 'mind' itself, and that includes intention is an aspect of this. All that is manifest in life experiences is bound up with the narrative self. It is hard to know whether the narrative self is an emergent process or at the core of manifestation, as a form of 'destiny'. What do you think about this, about chance and whether coincidences exist?

The following seems to be a solid definition of "coincidence":
"a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection"

But, any one could place some words, in a particular order, and then claim, 'this' seems to be a, so-called, 'solid definition' for '...'.

Also, absolutely any occurrence could be 'remarked' on, or 'remarked about', and thus be 'remarkable'.

If any occurrence, or event, can be 'marked', and then be 'marked' again, or be 'remarked about', then that event, or occurance, could also be referred to as being 're-mark-able', or, literally able to be re-marked.

But, just because 'two or more events or circumstances happening or existing at the same time' can be 'remarked', or 'talked, about', even with apparently no causal connection, in absolutely no way at all means that there was no causal connection at all.

As such, a causal concurrence of events or circumstances which does not have an apparent causal connection, is a "coincidence".

Well considering just how FAR BEHIND you human beings ARE, in the days when this is being written, and before, then there are MANY events or circumstances that, to you, do not have an apparent, nor an immediate apparent, causal connection.

But, is 'this', exactly, what a 'coincidence' is, EXACTLY?

A real-life coincidence is when I went to a jazz club and ran into someone that I had known in college from more than a decade before, but with whom I had had absolutely no contact whatsoever. There was absolutely no causal connection, but was a remarkable concurrence of events.

So, well to "thinkofone" anyway, attending and going to the exact same college AND attending and going to the exact same club, at the exact same times is, besides being, a so-called 'real life coincidence', there is also, and somehow, ABSOLUTELY NO CAUSAL CONNECTION, as well.

And, because 'this' could, and was, 'remarked on' and 'about', then 'this' has made 'this' a so-called 'remarkable concurrence of events'.

I am NOT SURE how when two human beings have KNOWN 'each other', previously, and they 'meet up', or 'bump into each other', AGAIN, that there was ABSOLUTELY NO 'causal connection' here, exactly.

But, I am CERTAIN ABSOLUTELY OPEN to HEARING, and/or READING HOW there was, supposedly, NONE at all.

From what I gather, it makes some feel good to believe that there was some unknown/supernatural force behind it, but c'mon.

Does it make some feel good to believe that there was no unknown/supernatural force behind physical bodies of matter 'bumping into', or just, naturally, 'interacting' with 'each other', after some periods of 'time' has passed?

Such is the root of superstition and religion. Ultimately it's a sign of immaturity.

So, instead of, actually, PROVING 'coincidences', actually, exist, this one preferred to 'try to' ridicule and humiliate 'those' with different views or beliefs that it has, and, obviously, is holding onto dearly, or, literally, for 'dear life', as some would say.

So, now 'we' know that "thinkofone" believes, absolutely, that there is 'chance', and 'coincidences', ONLY, let 'us' now 'SEE' it PROVE 'this' so.

Obviously 'the above' does not even go close to proving ANY actual thing. So, again, now 'we' wait.

[Age]

I think coincidences are from apparent random events, from different causal chains that just happen to align unexpectedly.

Are these coincidences within the English language?

That what we consider as a man's best friend, a DOG, reverses to GOD?

If I told you that it is very hard to LIVE when EVIL is being done to you?

That we walk on our SOLES every day and we apparently have SOULS?

If I told you to flip a coin 100 times and heads will come up 55 times...then you do it and it does come up 55 times? Coincidence or something else affecting the causal chains?

Is it a coincidence that coincidence has coinSIDEnce?

Is the balance as show here of the vowels within the alphabet a strange quirk, a coincidence? Or again, is there something else affecting causality?

Vowels of the Sage



...and finally, is it a coincidence that the Tree of Knowledge from whence we are not supposed to eat the "fruit"...has the words KNOW_LEDGE?

So.

In answer to your QUEST_ION - definitely something more..

It makes it sound like a cosmic game of 'snap'. Of course, there has been the issue of the scream in the Led Zepellin song, if played backwards saying, ''Satan is God' and the,whole question of deliberate backmasking in music, or mere coincidence? After all, any reference to dog comes out as God backwards. Patterns are about human recognition or creative interpretation, like stressed spelled backwards as being desserts.

Part of the issue is about the way coincidences are understood.

1. What is the, actual, 'issue', here, exactly?

2. What are the 'other part/s' if 'part of the issue' is about 'the way' coincidences are understood?

3. How many 'ways' are 'coincidences' understood?

4. What is 'the way', or 'the ways', you understand 'coincidences', themselves, exactly?

The worst possibility is when a coincidence is read as a kind of omen, with a coincidence being seen as the implication that something is meant to be.

Is 'this' not an 'oxymoron' in and of itself?

If some thing is a so-called 'coincidence', then, by definition, it is inexpiable, or could not be seen as the implication of some nor anything else. Or, is it 'I' who has all of this backwards, or just plain old Wrong?

If anything, it may be about resonances and what they represent on a symbolic level, like dreams. If taken literally as opposed to symbolically, there is a danger of delusional thinking.
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[Age]

My understanding of coincidence is that it involves randomness and chance. Carl Jung spoke of synchronicity, which he saw as being about meaningful connections. However, he did not see it as involving causality itself. If anything, it would involve patterns and connections. For example, precognitive experiences may involve tuning into patterns at the perceptual level.

I am inclined to go further than Jung, in suggesting that nothing is coincidence. This would go as far as the idea that evolution is not random. Every action, at the causal level, involves complex pathways and is likely beyond the physical. It is hard to know how it works exactly, because everything is situated in chains of causality, in space and time. However, 'mind' itself, and that includes intention is an aspect of this. All that is manifest in life experiences is bound up with the narrative self. It is hard to know whether the narrative self is an emergent process or at the core of manifestation, as a form of 'destiny'. What do you think about this, about chance and whether coincidences exist?

The following seems to be a solid definition of "coincidence":
"a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection"

As such, a causal concurrence of events or circumstances which does not have an apparent causal connection, is a "coincidence". A real-life coincidence is when I went to a jazz club and ran into someone that I had known in college from more than a decade before, but with whom I had had absolutely no contact whatsoever. There was absolutely no causal connection, but was a remarkable concurrence of events. From what I gather, it makes some feel good to believe that there was some unknown/supernatural force behind it, but c'mon. Such is the root of superstition and religion. Ultimately it's a sign of immaturity.

Superstition has been a problem, ranging from ideas of Friday 13th and so many associations, especially 666, and is based on fear.

It is true that many of the chance meetings are of no significance. However, there is the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences. Such experiences, including possible telepathy, may or may not be significant.

What happens if, and when, these experiences are not unusual?

Is it also possible that they may or may not be significant, as well?

However, with the question of supernatural, it depends by what one means by supernatural.

Does not absolutely EVERY thing here depend on what one, or all, means by 'the words' being used, as well?

It could be taken to signify a designer or may be just nature being a bit more complex than many expect it to be.

Well if you human beings cannot even just decide what those two words, 'super' AND 'natural', when put together, actually, mean, then WHY even create and use that 'one word'?

[Fairy]

What does the 'quest' word have to do with the 'ion' word, exactly?

It has to do with the idea there is an (i) that can question it's own reality. It's supposed to mean the ( quest i am on ) ( the quest-i-on)

It's simply an imagined i that thinks it is real, and that it is on a quest to know itself. In truth, there is no such i except as a storybook fictional character within the artificial dream of separation. The dream of i.


It's just what's happening, but to no i or I .. as there is no knowledge of a dreamer without there being a dream, and nothing ever happened in a dream..
For even the dreamt character ( i ) is the Unknown.

Fish pi is just no one being clever with words, that are completely empty to the core, and yet are believed to be real, such is the artificial power of illusions, or more aptly known as, the powerless power of delusions.

[Age]

'Coincidence' is simply a subjective observation on the part of the person it allegedly happened to. If they look a bit deeper then they will most likely find that it isn't such a 'coincidence' after all. You might say 'Oh, what a 'coincidence' that my long lost brother/lover/school friend blah blah was shopping at the same supermarket at the same time I was...' but they don't think about all the times they shopped and didn't see anyone they knew, or about all the people they used to know who they NEVER see again...ANYWHERE.

It is very hard to say that coincidence is more than accidental patterns.

But, 'this' is not at all hard to say, as it is 'very easy', and simple, to say.

The experiences of people who have premonitionory dreams or in waking experience are significant to them but dismissed by many skeptics.

Well is not DISMISSING other's views or beliefs the VERY IDEA and PURPOSE of what a so-called "skeptic" is meant TO DO, EXACTLY?

In speaking of premonitions I am referring to those which come true rather than ones feared. It is easy to dismiss what is outside the realm of the mundane, but it may suggest that the mind is deeper than materialists would believe, such as in Jung's idea of the collective unconscious.

How could 'the mind', or absolutely ANY thing, be 'deeper' than matter, itself, to a so-called "materialist", when, by definition, a "materialist" believes, ABSOLUTELY, that there is nothing but matter. So-called "materialists" can NOT see beyond, past, behind, nor deeper down than just 'matter', itself, ONLY? The word "materialist" would be an oxymoron and a contradiction in terms if people with that label could 'see' FURTHER AFIELD and 'see', and 'understand', MORE than they could.

After all it is names and labels like "materialist", and ALL of the other same types of labels, what STOPS and PREVENTS 'those types of human beings, from being able to find, learn, discover, see, comprehend, AND understand MORE, and/or ANEW.

Those human beings are, literally, being LIMITED by the very names and labels that are PLACED UP-ON "themselves", and either PLACED THERE by "themselves" or 'others'.

[Age]

'Coincidence' is simply a subjective observation on the part of the person it allegedly happened to. If they look a bit deeper then they will most likely find that it isn't such a 'coincidence' after all. You might say 'Oh, what a 'coincidence' that my long lost brother/lover/school friend blah blah was shopping at the same supermarket at the same time I was...' but they don't think about all the times they shopped and didn't see anyone they knew, or about all the people they used to know who they NEVER see again...ANYWHERE.

It is very hard to say that coincidence is more than accidental patterns. The experiences of people who have premonitionory dreams or in waking experience are significant to them but dismissed by many skeptics. In speaking of premonitions I am referring to those which come true rather than ones feared. It is easy to dismiss what is outside the realm of the mundane, but it may suggest that the mind is deeper than materialists would believe, such as in Jung's idea of the collective unconscious.

And of course completely missing my point. What a surprise

And, of course, "accelafine" completely FAILING to make 'its point' to another, and/or completely MISSING the fact that 'its point' was NOT actually MISSED.

[Age]

The following seems to be a solid definition of "coincidence":
"a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection"

As such, a causal concurrence of events or circumstances which does not have an apparent causal connection, is a "coincidence". A real-life coincidence is when I went to a jazz club and ran into someone that I had known in college from more than a decade before, but with whom I had had absolutely no contact whatsoever. There was absolutely no causal connection, but was a remarkable concurrence of events. From what I gather, it makes some feel good to believe that there was some unknown/supernatural force behind it, but c'mon. Such is the root of superstition and religion. Ultimately it's a sign of immaturity.

Superstition has been a problem, ranging from ideas of Friday 13th and so many associations, especially 666, and is based on fear.

It is true that many of the chance meetings are of no significance. However, there is the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences. Such experiences, including possible telepathy, may or may not be significant.

Not sure why you make a distinction between "chance meetings" and "the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences". Because it's more "common"? How is that relevant?

Following seems to be a solid definition of "superstition"

How come "thinkofone" happens-to-chance by the 'solid definitions' of words, here?

This is the second time, in just a short period of time, 'this' has happened here. Was this by 'chance', and just a 'coincidence'?

Or, was "thinkofone" MEANT to come-to-know 'the solid definition/s' of words here?

as to what's being discussed here:
"a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event".

Do you 'happen-to-know' the 'solid definitions' for the words in this claim, and definition, here, as well, by 'any chance', "thinkofone"?

How is what's being discussed here not fit that definition of "superstition" and why do you believe that it's not likewise "a problem"?

Was there ANY ACTUAL REAL 'problem' here, from the outset?

If yes, then what was it, or were they, EXACTLY?

However, with the question of supernatural, it depends by what one means by supernatural. It could be taken to signify a designer or may be just nature being a bit more complex than many expect it to be.

Which is why I wrote "unknown/supernatural force". You seem to believe that this is of some significance, but I'm at a loss as to what that might be.

[Age]

It makes it sound like a cosmic game of 'snap'. Of course, there has been the issue of the scream in the Led Zepellin song, if played backwards saying, ''Satan is God' and the,whole question of deliberate backmasking in music, or mere coincidence? After all, any reference to dog comes out as God backwards. Patterns are about human recognition or creative interpretation, like stressed spelled backwards as being desserts.

I think you are missing the point I am making; "desserts" backwards making "stressed" has no LOG_I_C causal connection.

LOL

ONCE AGAIN, you can, CLEARLY, 'see' your OWN interpretations of words, but completely and utterly MISS others.

you, also, speak and write your OWN interpretations as though others 'see' them as CLEAR and as OBVIOUS as you do. Again, if you do not IN-FORM the 'others' of, EXACTLY, 'what' you are 'seeing', and for 'what reasons', EXACTLY, then do not EXPECT 'them' or 'us' to SEE, and KNOW, what 'you' ARE, and DO.

Now, as for 'my' OWN interpretation here 'i' can VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY SEE that IF:

it is very hard to LIVE when EVIL is being done to you, then it is very easy to eat cake or LIVE 'life' like 'life' is a DESSERT when EVIL is not being done to me and so I would not be STRESSED.

Also, you human beings only end up DEPRESSED, from all of the PRESSURE, which you adults put on "yourselves", and others, through STRESSING each other, and "yourselves", out, which just leads to more OVER-STRESS and more DI-STRESS until all gets so STRESS-FUL to the point of being so PRE-STRESSED that you all can end up being so, literally, DE-PRESS-ED.

Being STRESSED backwards being DESSERTS, and EXACTLY what one PREFERS over the other may well, 'now', just be a COINCIDENCE to you "attofishpi", but considering what you have been 'trying to 'argue' and fight for here, for so long now, 'trying to' argue or fight against 'this' seems Truly ABSURD, and ILLOGICAL, now.

Now, if you ALL were just UN-STRESSED and STRESS-FREE, AGAIN, like ALL used to be, and lived in that Truly STRESS-LESS WORLD, AGAIN, then that would lead to living in a Truly non-DEVIL world, and thus to a Truly wanted and desired LIVED in world', then ALL could have 'their cake' and all-so eat all of the DESSERT, as well.

Why do you think you could 'see', ONLY, LIVE, and, EVIL, when DEVIL, and, LIVED, and STRESSED, and, DESSERT 'work in' PERFECTLY, HERE, AS WELL?

Or, are 'the others' 'coincidences', ONLY?

And, by the way, I have not yet even gone into how 'reaction' relates to 'creation' and how because EVERY 'action' causes a 'reaction' and how every 'reaction' is, literally, just One 're-action' happening, and occurring, HERE-NOW, ALWAYS, and in ALL-WAYS, and how this is One Reaction is actually just Creation, Itself, IN ACTION. Nor, how it is 'I', God/the Universe, which is what is Creating ALL-OF-THIS NOW, which IS; The Beginning of ALL things.

The words I listed do and I explained Y.

And, ONCE AGAIN, what 'we' can CLEARLY SEE here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just HOW LIMITED, and CLOSED, and BLIND, human beings can BE, and can BE-COME, when they just 'look at' and 'see' things from their OWN perspective/s ONLY.

Even when what this one is CLAIMING about 'hidden messages' being with-(and)-held with-(and)-in the "english language", and MORE, previously, 'hidden messages' are SHOWN to it, but which it just could not 'see', at first, ONLY, it then, automatically, BELIEVES that what is being SHOWN and EXPRESSED does NOT 'work' in 'the way' it has even been 'trying' so HARD to FIGHT and ARGUE FOR.

I can only, once again, SUGGEST that instead of just INSTANTLY DISMISSING things, you just BE-COME OPEN, and REMAIN OPEN, to be ABLE TO SEE what else TRAN-SPIRES, and/or IN-SPIRES, WITH-IN.

After all that is WHERE the Spirit is IN-SPIR-ING EVERY one, or what you call at the 'atomic level' of things. It is, also, IN-TUITION, from the TUTOR, WITH-IN, EVERY one, where the S.A.G.E, or the Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, or whatever other names one CHOOSES to use, actually DWELLS, and LIVES. Or, in other words, it is from DEEP WITH-IN, or from BE-HIND, where the One is GUIDING, IN-STRUCTING, and TEACHING 'us'. It is this IN-LIGHT-EN-ING, which is what, REALLY, LIGHTENS 'us', literally, in WEIGHT, and in BRIGHT-NESS, for 'us' to GET WHERE it is that 'we' ALL WANT TO GET TO, and DESIRE.

The One, is WITH-IN each and EVERY one, as is One, ONLY, that It, literally, LIES, so DEEP, that it is only from LOOKING deep with-(and)-in "ourselves" where 'we' FIND, DIS-COVER, and, literally, UN-COVER and RE-VEAL the, actual, TRUTH, of not just WHO and WHAT 'we' TO-GET-HER, as One, REALLY ARE, but also ALL of the other Truths, in Life, are UN-VEILED, SHOWN, thus RE-VEALED ONCE, and FOR ALL.

Interesting isn't it that a greeting HELLO has HELL and O (again, coincidence or some intelligence behind the construct to these words?)

But, it is A COINCIDENCE, and NOT SOME INTELLIGENCE BEHIND the CON-STRUCT of STRESSED and DESSERTS, right?

Or, could it be the fact that 'you' are just CON-NING "yourself" here?

Could it be a POSSIBILITY that 'you' are MISSING, again, the ACTUAL True Intelligence here BE-CAUSE 'you' are LISTENING TO and LOOKING FROM, your own PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS, and PRE-SUMPTIONS, ONLY, which, by the way, have come from your own PRE-VIOUS 'Past Experiences', which have actually been DE-VIOUS, in ways that were completely NOT your fault and/or completely OUT of your control, but which ARE what has CAUSED ALL adults to have been TRICKED, FOOLED, and DE-CEIVED?

By the way, 'I' have NOT YET even, REALLY, begun to EXPLAIN HOW, nor WHY, ALL-OF-THIS FITS TO-GET-HER, and FITS, PERFECTLY, TOGETHER, FORMING One PERFECTLY UNI-FORMED Self-ILLUSTRATED and Self-PROVED Picture of this One and only, always, ALL-THERE-IS EVOLVING-CREATION.

Part of the issue is about the way coincidences are understood. The worst possibility is when a coincidence is read as a kind of omen,

Owe Men?

And, AMEN. It is SO, SO be It.

But, if you adult human being were not SINNING, then you would, literally, not be MISSING THE MARK, HERE.

..with a coincidence being seen as the implication that something is meant to be. If anything, it may be about resonances and what they represent on a symbolic level, like dreams. If taken literally as opposed to symbolically, there is a danger of delusional thinking.

Coincidence\Synchronicities are to the extreme when you are being TESTED by the wrath of God. But of course, if I talk of such things to an atheist it can only be seen as 'delusional thinking'.

EXACTLY LIKE when a so-called "atheist" talks to you 'about things', then it can only be seen as 'delusional thinking' AS WELL.

AGAIN, it is just ALL of 'your beliefs and presumptions' WHY you ALL cannot 'comprehend, see', understand, and know the, actual and irrefutable, Truth of things, here, YET.

REMOVE ALL of the beliefs and presumptions, and then EVERY thing BE-COMES MUCH, MUCH CLEARER, and even absolutely CRYSTAL CLEAR.

And, if absolutely ANY one DOUBTS 'Me' here, then just DO IT, and then just PROVE 'Me' Wrong.

[Age]

When you climb out of bed and a voice clearly states "Tonight, bad luck".

Then that night you get bashed by someone with a baseball bat, mobile phone stolen or lost, and have to spend a weak in hospital.

Would it be Wrong of me to ask you if you just happen to be' drunk 'that night', and that, actually, you did not get bashed because of 'bad luck', alone?

Also, if you are 'trying to' say and claim that it was God that, clearly, stated, to you, 'Tonight, back luck', then this would suggest that God also agrees with, and/or believes, in 'chance' and/or 'coincidences'. Because, obviously, 'bad luck' can only be associated with 'luck', which, itself, is associated with 'chance' and/or 'coincidences'.

Or, do you have some other interpretation of 'bad luck'?

If yes, then will you explain what it is, exactly?

If no, then why not?

Then when getting a new phone it has a new number : 007666 in the middle - ya, U start to see the light - we are in an intelligence system and JE_SUS it all out.

Will you explain the significance of those just six numbers?

If no, then why not?

Also, did you request those numbers, by 'any chance'? Or, did you just receive 'those numbers', in 'that order', randomly?

Because there would be some people who would have paid money for 'those numbers' so it makes me wonder WHY some one of you adult human beings did not just keep 'those numbers', to then SELL ON.

Or, were 'those numbers' just in some of the few 'serial numbers, which are on the box or on phone?

And, were 'those numbers' DIRECTLY in the middle, or just randomly spread out 'in the middle' somewhere?

By the way, can "jesus" also be just 'he-(I)s-us', as the 'j' is pronounced 'h' in some countries where "english" is spoken, and the fact that "jesus" was just another human being, and just a son, or child, of God, which is just what all of you human beings are, after all, right.

So, could "jesus", literally, been 'just one of us' human beings, and 'children of God'?

Also, why do you not 'ju'-sus it all out' "yourself".

you, obviously, have not sussed it all out, YET, Correct?

Or, do you BELIEVE that 'you' have?

[Age]

Superstition has been a problem, ranging from ideas of Friday 13th and so many associations, especially 666, and is based on fear.

It is true that many of the chance meetings are of no significance. However, there is the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences. Such experiences, including possible telepathy, may or may not be significant.

Not sure why you make a distinction between "chance meetings" and "the common occurrence of thinking of someone just as they pick up the phone and other 'unusual' experiences". Because it's more "common"? How is that relevant?

Following seems to be a solid definition of "superstition" as to what's being discussed here:
"a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event".

How is what's being discussed here not fit that definition of "superstition" and why do you believe that it's not likewise "a problem"?

However, with the question of supernatural, it depends by what one means by supernatural. It could be taken to signify a designer or may be just nature being a bit more complex than many expect it to be.

Which is why I wrote "unknown/supernatural force". You seem to believe that this is of some significance, but I'm at a loss as to what that might be.

Each of us probably understands and interprets life experiences differently.

What do you mean by 'probably' here?

Absolutely EVERY one understands and interprets 'life experiences' DIFFERENTLY.

WHY do you think there is SO MUCH disagreement, bickering, and fighting in 'the world', in the days when this is being written?

It is CERTAINLY NOT from AGREEMENT, and UNDERSTANDING, itself.

After what one 'experiences' as ABUSE to one is LOVE to another, and VICE-VERSA.

My connection between 'chance meetings' and experiences of a person phoning just as they were thinking of them are ones I am familiar with, and ones people describe to me. Maybe, you have never had the phone experience. In experience, a lot of interpretation is about working out what is significant and what is not.

How many ideas, and/or views, are you going to CONFLATE here?

In the example of chance meetings,

HOW and WHEN, exactly, did you DECIDE that 'those meetings' WERE so-called 'chance meetings' and NOT because of pre-existing conditions and circumstances LEADING UP TO 'those meetings'?

so many people are met on a daily basis and some will play a significant role in life and others will not.

But, absolutely EVERY 'meeting', or, literally, EVERY 'inter-action of matter' is 'significant' as it WILL have A 'consequence' AND cause A 'reaction'.

Personally, I have found that sometimes the people who become close friends are met in the strangest circumstances.

Okay. Has absolutely every thing that you have 'found' here turned out to be absolutely True, Right, Accurate, and/or Correct?

When you 'met' your mom and/or dad, and/or the doctor/s/nurse/s, when you first come out of the womb, as being a so-called and so-labelled 'strange circumstance'.

For, OBVIOUSLY, to one 'that circumstance' would be ABSOLUTELY STRANGE compared to just meeting up, AGAIN, some one that you have just not seen for a few years, or decades, for example.

Also, what can 'seem', or could 'feel', 'strange' can be just a Truly NATURAL phenomena anyway, and so have absolutely nothing at all 'strange' about it.

For example, someone who is my closest friend was someone I knew at school but not very well. However, I saw her a few years later and while we were talking her shoe broke. She came home to see if my mother had a suitable pair of shoes for her to borrow and that is how I got to know her.

I am NOT SURE where the 'strange' bit is here.

To me, you human beings 'meet', and 'talk', shoes break, and other human beings 'have shoes', which others 'can use'.

I agree, absolutely, that 'the chances' of 'meeting' 'the human beings' that 'you' each 'do meet' might seem HIGHLY UNLIKELY, or even IMPOSSIBLE, to some, but absolutely NONE of every one of 'those meetings' was, is, or, imaginably so, will ever be, so-called, 'strange'. Well to me anyway.

Similarly, one friend I got to know was someone who was moving out from the room which I was moving into.

I, still, do NOT SEE ANY thing so-called 'strange' here.

you human beings move into and out of rooms, especially in college, prison, and hospital environments.

you appear to sound like you would NEVER 'meet' another human being when you were just moving into 'a room' that another human being was just moving out of.

Surely there are millions of you human beings moving in and out of rooms, throughout the world, especially in high rise buildings, or class room like environments, for example, every day that they are being occupied, especially in the days when is was being written.

You may think that I am blowing these examples out of proportion but I find it hard to find friends even when I go to places and events for that specific purpose.

Do you 'move around' the 'other times' for the 'specific purpose' of NOT 'finding friends'?

Also, how does one go out, specifically, to FIND 'A friend', exactly?

Are you human beings NOT just 'naturally', FRIENDLY with 'one another', anyway?

Your definition of superstition is interesting because it draws on the primitive idea of sympathetic magic. That is because it is about seeing relationships and working with underlying patterns for effects. The most obvious example is voodoo magic. Historically, superstitions about certain numbers etc was a watered down version of this. Nevertheless, there are certain underlying sympathies in nature. For instance, often people who have body transplant parts of another, such as a kidney, find that the part fails on the death of the original owner. It is part of the way of interconnectedness in nature.

You seem to think that I read too much into your remark about the 'supernatural' or 'force'. That is because I grew up in a Catholic background with a belief that God has a specific path for each person.

Did 'that belief' believe God has a DIFFERENT path for each person?

If yes, then HOW and WHY did you have, or form, 'that belief'?

Was 'that belief' TAUGHT you in ANY way or at ANY time?

If yes, then HOW, exactly?

I have changed my belief system many times and do query the idea of what is the supernatural.

How does one 'change' 'the belief system', exactly?

If you just meant you have changed 'your beliefs', or just changed from what you once believed to believing something else 'now', or 'currently', then I understand. But, I would just like to query as to WHY?

WHY would you want to believe some thing is true when it may not even be?

I do think that there may be some underlying consciousness, or divinity, underlying all nature but rather than it being simply transcendent as 'supernature', see it as being imminent in nature itself.

Some people 'see' the word 'supernatural' as being above, beyond, apart from, or just outside of Nature, Itself. Which, as 'we' all KNOW is an absolute IMPOSSIBILITY. So, whatever exists, exists WITHIN, and WITH, and IN, Nature, Itself.

In Fact what 'It' is, exactly, that is IN CONTROL, or IN CHARGE, of ALL-OF-THIS is so INTERTWINED with Nature, Itself, It is, actually, Nature, Itself. Which is just another word for Life, Universe, God, Allah, Consciousness, Divinity, et cetera, et cetera.

[Age]

It makes it sound like a cosmic game of 'snap'. Of course, there has been the issue of the scream in the Led Zepellin song, if played backwards saying, ''Satan is God' and the,whole question of deliberate backmasking in music, or mere coincidence? After all, any reference to dog comes out as God backwards. Patterns are about human recognition or creative interpretation, like stressed spelled backwards as being desserts.

I think you are missing the point I am making; "desserts" backwards making "stressed" has no LOG_I_C causal connection. The words I listed do and I explained Y.

Interesting isn't it that a greeting HELLO has HELL and O (again, coincidence or some intelligence behind the construct to these words?)

Part of the issue is about the way coincidences are understood. The worst possibility is when a coincidence is read as a kind of omen,

Owe Men?

..with a coincidence being seen as the implication that something is meant to be. If anything, it may be about resonances and what they represent on a symbolic level, like dreams. If taken literally as opposed to symbolically, there is a danger of delusional thinking.

Coincidence\Synchronicities are to the extreme when you are being TESTED by the wrath of God. But of course, if I talk of such things to an atheist it can only be seen as 'delusional thinking'.

But you are only looking at linguistics. Philosophy goes deeper than that, with or without the idea of 'God'.

And, talking about linguistics, here, what even is 'philosophy', itself, to you, exactly, "jack daydream"?

The idea of 'delusion' is an important area, especially in mental health assessment as well as philosophy. However, it may be erroneous to box people with different beliefs as delusional, as a form of philosophical fundamentalism. It rules out uncertainty and free thinking.

But, does not just beliefs, and/or presumptions, themselves, leave out 'free thinking', entirely?

If no, then will you please share, with 'us' here, an example of how you can have or hold A 'belief' but, still, be so-called 'free thinking'?

[Age]

When you climb out of bed and a voice clearly states "Tonight, bad luck".

Then that night you get bashed by someone with a baseball bat, mobile phone stolen or lost, and have to spend a weak in hospital. Then when getting a new phone it has a new number : 007666 in the middle - ya, U start to see the light - we are in an intelligence system and JE_SUS it all out.

If one experiences 'voices', which is often a source of distress and recognised mental illness, to listen and accept the voice uncritically can lead to major thinking errors.

In the scenario you describe I would say that the person had been influenced by the experience of the negative voice. It has been a starting point in mindset for bad experiences, as a self fulfilling prophecy. The subconscious can play ominous tricks and is it not surprising that some speak of inner 'demons', because thoughts whether as voices or as thoughts can bring about negative experiences in many instances.

There are reason why words like 'devil', 'evil', 'demons' have been recognized and associated with 'voices' and/or Wrong thinking, or 'thoughts', which are said and claimed to 'make' some do what 'they' really did not want to do, and why words like 'God', 'good', 'right', or 'knowing', are never said nor claimed to be 'forceful' and are associated with just being LEFT to CHOOSE to DO what one WANTS, absolutely FREELY.

But, 'words', themselves, can have far more POWER, and CONTROL, than was ever first recognized and realized, and as was just pointed out here can have and cause and create a very 'self-fulfilling prophecies'.

See, if one BELIEVES what it HEARS, with-in, or out-side, of the head, then 'that one' can, and will, 'make' 'that happen', or cause 'that' 'to happen', what it HEARD and/or BELIEVES. "attofishpi" has once again proved this phenomena True here.

As well as the Fact that while one is BELIEVING, absolutely, some thing to be true, then they are CERTAINLY NOT going to do absolutely ANY thing that would PROVE 'that belief' False, Wrong, Inaccurate, nor Incorrect, OBVIOUSLY.

[Age]

I think you are missing the point I am making; "desserts" backwards making "stressed" has no LOG_I_C causal connection. The words I listed do and I explained Y.

Interesting isn't it that a greeting HELLO has HELL and O (again, coincidence or some intelligence behind the construct to these words?)




Owe Men?




Coincidence\Synchronicities are to the extreme when you are being TESTED by the wrath of God. But of course, if I talk of such things to an atheist it can only be seen as 'delusional thinking'.

But you are only looking at linguistics.

No what I am pointing out is cumulative evidence, do you need more?

Philosophy goes deeper than that, with or without the idea of 'God'.

Faithless "philosophy" leaves you fathoming in the depths of a puddle.

The idea of 'delusion' is an important area, especially in mental health assessment as well as philosophy. However, it may be erroneous to box people with different beliefs as delusional, as a form of philosophical fundamentalism. It rules out uncertainty and free thinking.

Well being labelled 'delusional' by a professional made me a shed load of money.

God works in mysterious ways.

Wise PUPILS of the light ---->COINCIDENCE

DESSERTS and STRESSED is A 'coincidence', while the above is NOT, right?