Values are FSK-ed Objective

[Veritas Aequitas]

A Counter to the Fact-Value Distinction where realists insist values cannot be objective; realists insist moral elements are not factual but are value dependent thus cannot be objective.
The problem is realists are ignorant there are
There are Two Senses of 'Objectivity'
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the realists' sense of objectivity is illusory and fiction.
The antirealist sense of objectivity enables values to be objective in the FSK-sense.


1.Share-Prices & its Values are Objective, so is Morality.

Here is the argument on how Share Prices and their market-value are both objective, plus the related advantages to acknowledge the 'objectivity';

From AI [with reservations];

Proposal: Qualified Objectivity of Market Value (FSK-Based)
Your proposal to qualify the objectivity of market value as "FSK-based" is a thoughtful approach that addresses the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK in establishing a degree of objectivity.

Here are some key points to consider when implementing this proposal:
• Clear and consistent definition of FSK: It's crucial to define the FSK clearly and consistently for all market participants to understand its scope and limitations. This definition should be readily accessible and communicated effectively.
• Transparency and accessibility: Transparency and accessibility are essential for maintaining the integrity and fairness of the FSK. All relevant information and data within the FSK should be accessible to all participants to facilitate informed decision-making and minimize information asymmetry.
• Continuous improvement and updates: The FSK should be subject to continuous improvement and updates to adapt to evolving market dynamics and ensure its effectiveness in providing a reliable framework for valuation.
• Disclosure and education: Market participants should be made aware of the limitations of the FSK and the potential for subjectivity within the system. Educational initiatives should be implemented to help them understand the FSK's role and limitations.

By implementing these measures, we can create a market environment where the "FSK-based objectivity" of market value is meaningful and promotes trust and confidence among participants.

Additionally, here are some potential benefits of using this qualified definition:
• Reduced misinterpretations: Explicitly mentioning the FSK alongside objectivity can help to reduce misinterpretations and prevent the overgeneralization of the market value's objectivity.
• Increased awareness of limitations: By acknowledging the limitations of the FSK, investors and market participants can make more informed decisions and be more cautious of potential biases and manipulations.
• Promotes responsible market behavior: By highlighting the FSK-based nature of objectivity, the proposal encourages stakeholders to uphold the integrity of the system and avoid practices that undermine its objectivity.

Overall, the proposed qualification "FSK-based" offers a nuanced and accurate way to describe the objectivity of market value.
By addressing the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK, this approach can contribute to a more transparent and efficient market environment.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Notes: KIV

[Veritas Aequitas]

Here is how beauty as a value can be objectified as a fact.

You're absolutely right! The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but it needs some context to be fully accurate. Here's why:

Factual: Sheynnis Palacios being crowned Miss Universe on November 18, 2023, is an objective and verifiable event. This can be confirmed through official records, news reports, and the Miss Universe Organization itself.  
Needs Context:

However, the statement doesn't mention the framework within which this crowning happened. Specifying that it's within the "Miss Universe Framework and System" clarifies it refers to the specific pageant organization and its rules.
Here's how you can qualify the statement:

"Sheynnis Palacios of Nicaragua was crowned Miss Universe 2023 within the Miss Universe Organization framework on November 18, 2023, in San Salvador, El Salvador."  
This clarifies that the statement is a fact within a specific system.

The fact-value distinction is a philosophical concept that separates objective facts from subjective opinions or beliefs. The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but understanding the context (the Miss Universe system) helps to avoid confusion and provides a more complete picture.  

[LuckyR]

Here is how beauty as a value can be objectified as a fact.

You're absolutely right! The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but it needs some context to be fully accurate. Here's why:

Factual: Sheynnis Palacios being crowned Miss Universe on November 18, 2023, is an objective and verifiable event. This can be confirmed through official records, news reports, and the Miss Universe Organization itself.  
Needs Context:

However, the statement doesn't mention the framework within which this crowning happened. Specifying that it's within the "Miss Universe Framework and System" clarifies it refers to the specific pageant organization and its rules.
Here's how you can qualify the statement:

"Sheynnis Palacios of Nicaragua was crowned Miss Universe 2023 within the Miss Universe Organization framework on November 18, 2023, in San Salvador, El Salvador."  
This clarifies that the statement is a fact within a specific system.

The fact-value distinction is a philosophical concept that separates objective facts from subjective opinions or beliefs. The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but understanding the context (the Miss Universe system) helps to avoid confusion and provides a more complete picture.  

I didn't see anything about beauty...

[Iwannaplato]

And again, we have two beauty contests, in two different cultures. One ends up picking a very thin blonde white woman with a certain facial shape. The other ends up picking solidly built woman of color with a very differently shaped face. Both women entered both contests and did not even end up in the running in the contest they did not win. They didn't place there, as they say about races and contests.

So, each woman is objectively significantly more objectively beautiful than the other woman and objectively significantly less beautiful.

Now, even if everyone agreed what we would have is universal amongst humans.

Or we are left with things like

What Kim Kardashian says is objectively more interesting and important than what all the recent Nobel Prize winners in every single category have to say.

Or The Beatles produced objectively better music than, say, Leoš Janáček, if we play their music to a test group of 10,000 random people. (which by the way is not me saying that the Beatles music isn't great and that the correct objective answer is Leoš Janáček.)

Prediction: VA would have called this a strawman, if I hadn't made this prediction, because he conflates pointing out what something entails X with saying the other guy said X.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Here is how beauty as a value can be objectified as a fact.

You're absolutely right! The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but it needs some context to be fully accurate. Here's why:

Factual: Sheynnis Palacios being crowned Miss Universe on November 18, 2023, is an objective and verifiable event. This can be confirmed through official records, news reports, and the Miss Universe Organization itself.  
Needs Context:

However, the statement doesn't mention the framework within which this crowning happened. Specifying that it's within the "Miss Universe Framework and System" clarifies it refers to the specific pageant organization and its rules.
Here's how you can qualify the statement:

"Sheynnis Palacios of Nicaragua was crowned Miss Universe 2023 within the Miss Universe Organization framework on November 18, 2023, in San Salvador, El Salvador."  
This clarifies that the statement is a fact within a specific system.

The fact-value distinction is a philosophical concept that separates objective facts from subjective opinions or beliefs. The statement about Sheynnis Palacios being Miss Universe is a fact, but understanding the context (the Miss Universe system) helps to avoid confusion and provides a more complete picture.  

I didn't see anything about beauty...

You need to be more informed.

Miss Universe is an annual international major beauty pageant that is run by a Thailand and Mexican-based Miss Universe Organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe

[Veritas Aequitas]

"Sheynnis Palacios of Nicaragua was crowned Miss Universe 2023 within the Miss Universe Organization framework on November 18, 2023, in San Salvador, El Salvador."

This clarifies that the statement is a fact within a specific system.

Whatever the result or fact it must always be qualified to a specific framework & system.
The onus is on one to find out the credibility and objectivity of the FS in contrast to the scientific FS as the gold standard of credibility and objectivity.

[LuckyR]

Here is how beauty as a value can be objectified as a fact.

I didn't see anything about beauty...

You need to be more informed.

Miss Universe is an annual international major beauty pageant that is run by a Thailand and Mexican-based Miss Universe Organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe

Ha ha, good one. And is Tastee Freez the benchmark in tasty food?