WOKE and proud of it....

[Immanuel Can]

Look, I know this is off topic but think of this in relation to the recent Supreme Court ruling: Biden can now •assassinate• Trump with impunity!

It’s not yet dawned on the Dems what a boon this is! (Nit-wits!)

I think they might take out Biden themselves. After all, that would get them off the hook for running him, and give them justification for parachuting in a new candidate before the election.

If I were one of the Bidens, I'd be getting Joe a food taster to taste all his food for him, just to make sure it wasn't seasoned with poison. He's now the Dems chief problem; and if it weren't for the sheer loathesomeness of his VP, they might have done him in already.

Maybe the Bidens should be thanking Kamala. She might be the only thing standing between Joey B and an Epstein exit.

[FlashDangerpants]

Many times in my life I've come across people who say things like what IC just said. "Deep down, everyone really knows <X> is <true/false>." Muslims say it (not all of them), Christians say it (not all of them), I was even blown away once when I met an atheist who said he doesn't think anybody really believes in God!

Hmmmm.... seems like you are attempting to explain how the psychological certainty that is the mark of fanaticism is actually an epistemic weakness to IC and Jacobi?

I will be needing my popcorn for this.

[Flannel Jesus]

Many times in my life I've come across people who say things like what IC just said. "Deep down, everyone really knows <X> is <true/false>." Muslims say it (not all of them), Christians say it (not all of them), I was even blown away once when I met an atheist who said he doesn't think anybody really believes in God!

Hmmmm.... seems like you are attempting to explain how the psychological certainty that is the mark of fanaticism is actually an epistemic weakness to IC and Jacobi?

I will be needing my popcorn for this.

Put the popcorn away because there's not anything left to say. I've laid it out, of course the solipsist doesn't really care - why would a solipsist care? - so that's the end of it.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Has it occurred to you that it's not a stitch different than the "ideological solipsism" it take for an Atheist to dismiss them all? It's exactly the same phenomenon.

Yeah it's pretty different.

You're misunderstanding ideological solipsism btw. You think it's a matter of thinking you're right and/or thinking others are wrong. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not solipsism, that's just believing something is true.

But that's all it is. So why call it "ideological solipsism"?

It's not as if religious people have some different psychology from, say, Atheists, you know. Atheists insist that their worldview is the right one, and have contempt for any other possibility, and dismiss the other side(s) outright, even prior to investigation, and have no basis in evidence for their own view (whereas at least some religious people insist they do have evidence)...so what aspect of "solipsistic" thinking do Atheists lack, that you see exhibited in those you condemn as "religious"?


K: and missing the Atheist point of view, once again.....
the point of view is not that god is dead or not there....
the point of view is that what we see, is what we get....
there is no metaphysics, or something behind the physical world....
that is the atheist viewpoint.....Atheism is a materialistic
viewpoint.... that the only thing that exists is material,
and there is nothing outside of this material... or beyond
this materialism.... there is no such thing as an immortal soul....
that would say that there is something outside of or beyond
the physical.... the very idea that there is even a soul,
is a rather shaky one.... and unprovable.......

what we see is what we get.... we have body and that once
that body dies, that is it.... there is nothing outside of or beyond
that... there is not a metaphysical soul that outlasts us... because
that would assume facts and knowledge that we don't have.....

let us try this: where exactly is the soul in the human body?
Human beings have been dissected for centuries, and every single
part of the human body has been examined and reexamined....so,
where does the soul reside? and your answer will be, I don't know...
and you don't know......how can you have complete faith in something
you don't know or you can't even venture a guess at?

that is the problem with belief... it requires that one to belief in something
that they can't touch, see, smell, taste or hear.... there is no evidence
for a metaphysical universe...no evidence for a god, for a heaven, for hell,
for a Satan, for a soul, for angels..... no place where you can say,
yes, we can look and see heaven right here... or we can find god right here....
or the soul resided right here in the human body..... there are no facts that
support your own viewpoint.... whereas I don't need facts to support the fact
that the world around me exists.... I can see, hear, touch, taste or smell
the world around me... all I need do to support my world view is
to open my eyes and look... can you do the same?

Kropotkin

[phyllo]

Look, I know this is off topic but think of this in relation to the recent Supreme Court ruling: Biden can now •assassinate• Trump with impunity!

It’s not yet dawned on the Dems what a boon this is! (Nit-wits!)

Even in his senile dementia state, Biden is probably too ethical to take advantage of the ruling.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Look, I know this is off topic but think of this in relation to the recent Supreme Court ruling: Biden can now •assassinate• Trump with impunity!

It’s not yet dawned on the Dems what a boon this is! (Nit-wits!)

Even in his senile dementia state, Biden is probably too ethical to take advantage of the ruling.

K: Of more interest to me is that Biden can assassinate the entire Supreme court...
as part of this presidential duties.... this ruling may be the single
worse decision in the history of the United States Supreme Court and
that includes a ruling that practically started the American Civil, the
Dred Scott case....

Kropotkin

[Alexis Jacobi]

K: Of more interest to me is that Biden can assassinate the entire Supreme court as part of his presidential duties. This ruling may be the single worst decision in the history of the United States Supreme Court and that includes a ruling that practically started the American Civil, the Dred Scott case.

Your view is shortsighted. The ruling is one that applies to the presidency and for the future of it. A president must have immunity when making those official decisions.

If you understood the ruling, its actual language, it has left open the possibility of adjudicating Trump's actions which have been described as criminal. It simply pushes the issue back down to lower courts who can then put together their case.

It is not a bad decision looked at in this way.

[phyllo]

Your view is shortsighted. The ruling is one that applies to the presidency and for the future. A president must have immunity when making those official decisions.

If the "official decision" is entirely self-serving, then he/she has immunity.

Previously, that could come back to bite you. Not any more.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You would have to define *self-serving* with some examples. All political persons act self-servingly.

[Immanuel Can]

...and missing the Atheist point of view, once again.....
the point of view is not that god is dead or not there....
the point of view is that what we see, is what we get....
there is no metaphysics, or something behind the physical world....
that is the atheist viewpoint.....Atheism is a materialistic
viewpoint.... that the only thing that exists is material,
and there is nothing outside of this material... or beyond
this materialism.... there is no such thing as an immortal soul....
that would say that there is something outside of or beyond
the physical....

Yes, that's the Materialist assumption. Not all Atheists are Materialists, but many are.

But it's pretty stupid. For if it were true, there'd be no such thing as the very consciousness, the mind that perceives Materialism and imagines it to be true. For mind, consciousness, identity, volition, values...these are not material properties, but metaphysical ones, and ones upon which the argument for Materialism depend on existing.

So if Materialism were true, there'd be no "person" to realize it was true. There'd be no "mind" to receive the idea, no "consciousness" to process it, no "value" in the belief in it, and no "morality" in preferring it to believing anything else -- and no "argument," no "reason" and no "personal recipient" to become convinced of it.

A Materialist is like a man sitting on a branch while sawing it off the tree. He depends on metaphysics, and doesn't know he does. When he saws through the branch, Materialism itself falls.

[FlashDangerpants]

You would have to define *self-serving* with some examples. All political persons act self-servingly.

Biden can, with impunity and in contravention of the Espionage Act (the same thing for which Trump faces prosecution in Florida) to release to the public certain information that would be detrimental in itself to the national defence, but much worse for his presidential predecessor who hopes also to be his successor.

Such information for instance as what the CIA knows about the meeting where Kushner handed over top secret American intelligence information that identified multiple CIA informants to the Saudi royal family who then tortured all of, and killed several of those sources. There's some other Kushner stuff involving Qatar that probably stinks too.

Technically Biden ought to be impeached if he did such a thing, but if he stands down from the election himself, and does what I describe in the last few days before that election, Trump would definitely lose, there wouldn't be enough time left to carry out an impeachment, and Biden gets to pre-emptively pardon all his co-conspirators while not needing to address the issue of whether he can pardon himself.

[FlashDangerpants]

Put the popcorn away because there's not anything left to say. I've laid it out, of course the solipsist doesn't really care - why would a solipsist care? - so that's the end of it.

[accelafine]

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[Peter Kropotkin]

K: Of more interest to me is that Biden can assassinate the entire Supreme court as part of his presidential duties. This ruling may be the single worst decision in the history of the United States Supreme Court and that includes a ruling that practically started the American Civil, the Dred Scott case.

Your view is shortsighted. The ruling is one that applies to the presidency and for the future of it. A president must have immunity when making those official decisions.

If you understood the ruling, its actual language, it has left open the possibility of adjudicating Trump's actions which have been described as criminal. It simply pushes the issue back down to lower courts who can then put together their case.

It is not a bad decision looked at in this way.

K: no, there is no criminal actions involved in official acts....
Biden can legally assassinate anyone he wants as long
as he declares it an '''official action'' in the duty of being president...
he cannot be prosecuted in any way, shape or form....
for any official acts..... that is why the president is now immune
from any official acts... he is legally immune from all official actions...

Kropotkin

[Alexis Jacobi]

he cannot be prosecuted in any way, shape or form...

False.