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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:33 amWhy would I give a shit about the truth? That's a very peculiar question.
And "The Truth" to you is that homosexual adopting parents are just as likely per capita, or less so, to sexually abuse the orphaned children as heterosexual adopting parents?
I mean you can believe Homosexuals are morally superior all you want...but why?
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:45 amSomeone wants a source for your statements, and that means they're being defensive?
Fellas, is it gay to cite your sources?
Why the outrage for uncovering homosexual child molesters? Would you and vege have the same reaction if moral outrage were aimed at child molesters in general?? No, I don't think either of you would.
Because you two have a vested interest in protecting homosexuals particularly. Why is that? It's not enough that straight people molesting children is bad...but when homosexuals do it!?!? They need your and vege's divine grace and protection!
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:06 am
In what world does "what's your source for that information?" count as "Outrage"?
I think you're projecting here. I think you're outraged that people are very calmly asking you to cite a source.
This is the third time:
I don't have the rolodex of my studies, research, sources from when I was back in college over 15 years ago. I remember the conclusions though. Don't take my word for it, research it yourself if you really want to. I don't expect anybody to take everything I say prima facie anyway. You're a grown-up, an adult, perhaps...do the work yourself if you care that much. Are you honestly surprised by my claims? Do you honestly believe homosexual adoptive parents are categorically the same as heterosexual adoptive parents—no major difference between the two?
Why, the fuck, would homosexuals want children anyway? Can't they just have normal sex like everybody else, if they want kids and a family?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:30 amCould you explain what you meant here?
It signifies that there's something politically-incorrect about targeting homosexual adoptive parents over heterosexual adoptive parents, for the same crime (sexual molestation, abuse, rape).
I've tried to look up evidence myself of your statements, and I haven't found any. I do not trust you, and the evidence hasn't come to me, so for now all I can do is assume you've made all this stuff up because you're politically and ideologically motivated to believe this stuff.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:52 am
Do you honestly believe homosexual adoptive parents are categorically the same as heterosexual adoptive parents—no major difference between the two?
What a beautiful example of a Motte and Bailey argument. "Homosexuals are far more likely to be pedophiles" - what's your evidence? - "How DARE you ask for evidence!? Do you honestly believe homosexual adoptive parents are categorically the same as heterosexual adoptive parents?"
That's not the question. Nobody cares if they are "the same". You said they're more likely to be pedophiles or sexually abuse the children. If you cannot cite a trustworthy source of this information, I cannot possibly leave this conversation believing you. That's not a reasonable route for me to take. It would be distinctly unreasonable for me to walk away from this conversation believing what you've said about that if you cannot cite a single source
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:01 am
I should've kept my sources from college then, shouldn't I have?
No, you could also just try looking it up like you're asking us to do. I've tried that, and have not found what you say exists. Surely a reasonable route to take next is for you to try looking it up and reporting back with the results. Perhaps my Google-fu isn't as up to scratch as yours.
If the research exists, then my failure to find it isn't just the end of the story. No idea why you'd throw your hands up at that point. You still have options. If you want people to believe homosexual parents are more likely to be pedos, then put a little bit of effort in and find a study or something. If you try, and you find you cannot, perhaps it's time you consider the possibility that you're incorrect.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)–A social researcher who has studied sexual behavior for 24 years believes the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) has sound reasons for maintaining its prohibition against gay scoutmasters.
A homosexual cannot automatically be considered a child molester, said Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education in suburban Louisville, Ky.
But with 17-24 percent of boys being abused by age 18, nearly as many as the 25 percent of girls, there is cause for concern, she said.
Since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals, she said.
“You’re looking at a much higher rate of abuse,” said Reisman, a former university research professor who recently completed a study titled, “Crafting Gay Children.” “The Department of Justice just released data and the rate of abuse are off the charts.”
BSA’s policy has been the subject of constant attacks from gay activists, who have convinced a number of school boards to oust the Scouts from board property.
In a story that aired Apr. 1 on CBS, “60 Minutes” also questioned its validity. After California congressman Dana Rohrabacher called the prohibition common sense, reporter Lesley Stahl remarked that common sense turns out to be a myth.
According to the FBI and several clinical studies published in reputable journals, gay men aren’t more likely to sexually abuse boys, she said.
“In fact, the largest database of child molesters in the country shows that those who molest boys are over three times more likely to be heterosexual in their adult relationships than homosexual,” she said.
But Reisman points to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S. Department of Commerce.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:30 amCould you explain what you meant here?
It signifies that there's something politically-incorrect about targeting homosexual adoptive parents over heterosexual adoptive parents, for the same crime (sexual molestation, abuse, rape).
For the people you are talking to here?
Like Flannel Jesus would say we shouldn't investigate sexual abuse of children by homosexuals?
Or that homosexuals do not abuse children?
I see the bolded text, but they must have gotten that information from somewhere. Is there any indication of where they got that information from? Or are they just asserting it as a fact?
Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1." 17
In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.
Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases:
The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al., 1993; Fay et al., 1989; Johnson et al., 1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al., 1999; Gebhard et al., 1965; Mohr et al., 1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles." 18
The stark imbalance between homosexual and heterosexual child molestations was confirmed in the Archives of Sexual Behavior study itself, which divided 260 pedophile participants into three groups: "152 heterosexual pedophiles (men with offenses or self-reported attractions involving girls only), 43 bisexual pedophiles (boys and girls), and 65 homosexual pedophiles (boys only)." 19 In other words, 25 percent of the offenders were homosexual pedophiles -- or 41 percent if those who molest girls as well as boys are included.
Other studies report an unusually high percentage of child molestations by homosexual pedophiles:
A study on pedophilia in the Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa reported: "According to the literature, findings of a two-to-one ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles have been documented." 20
The Journal of Sex Research reports a study that included "199 offenders against female children and 96 offenders against male children. . . . This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children." 21
A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. 22
You two might feel some soreness tomorrow. But don't worry, talk with your gay lover, maybe ask for a massage...?
Homosexual Molestation of Children/Sexual Interaction of Teacher and Pupil
NCJ Number 105119
Journal Psychological Reports Volume: 57 Issue: 3 Dated: (1985) Pages: 1227-1236
Author(s)
P Cameron
Date Published 1985
Length 10 pages
Annotation
A review of the literature was conducted in which 19 separate studies were examined for the ratio of heterosexual-to-homosexual molestations of children and the ratio of female-to-male child victims.
Abstract
Using random-probability studies reported by three different sets of investigators, an estimate that about 4 percent of the general population is bisexual-to-homosexual was employed to generate relative degrees of 'dangerousness' of the various sexual orientations. It appears that at least a third of all the reported child molestations involve homosexual acts, while girls account for about two-thirds of children victimized. Those who practice homosexual acts are at least 12 times more apt to molest a child sexually, and with suitable corrections for bisexuals (who molest both genders), probably at least 16 times more apt to molest a child. A review of recorded cases of teacher-pupil sexual interaction indicated that of the 30 instances detailed in the literature, 24 (80 percent) involved homosexual acts. It appears that teachers who practice homosexual acts are between 90 to 100 times more apt to involve themselves sexually with pupils than teachers who confine themselves to heterosexual acts. (Author abstract)