Ah, you excised all the proof. I knew you would. You aren't even going to want to know the truth, so you won't even look at it.
Have a nice day.
Before you go, how about bestowing upon her some of your divinely inspired wisdom?
The evidence for National Socialism being Socialism is there, in abundance. But it's one thing to "bestow," and another to be willing to "receive." The former has been done, and the latter refused.
So 'transmen' who 'identify as gay men' are outraged that actual gay men don't want to fack them. How dare gay men not want to fack straight women. Outrageous! Despicable trans-and-homo-phobism!
There needs to be a law that makes it a crime to refuse to have sex with transpersons. It could be called the 'fight transphobia with rape' law.
Now why don't these 'trans gay men' i.e. straight women want to fack other 'trans gay men'? Could it be because they aren't lesbians?
Were the Nazis Socialists?
Written by Michael Ray
Fact-checked by Encyclopaedia Britannica
pg 229Nazi parade features a banner proclaiming, "Death to Marxism."The possibility of a peaceful Germany after World War I was precluded entirely by the terms of the Versailles Treaty and theintransigent hostility of France and England.
Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.
Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party.
In 1919 a Munich locksmith named Anton Drexler founded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP; German Workers’ Party). Political parties were still a relatively new phenomenon in Germany, and the DAP—renamed the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP; National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or Nazi Party) in 1920—was one of several fringe players vying for influence in the early years of the Weimar Republic. It is entirely possible that the Nazis would have remained a regional party, struggling to gain recognition outside Bavaria, had it not been for the efforts of Adolf Hitler. Hitler joined the party shortly after its creation, and by July 1921 he had achieved nearly total control of the Nazi political and paramilitary apparatus.
To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. After the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923, Hitler became convinced that he needed to utilize the teetering democratic structures of the Weimar government to attain his goals.
Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. In doing so, the Strassers also succeeded in expanding the Nazi reach beyond its traditional Bavarian base. By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies. Otto Strasser soon recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a party of workers, and in 1930 he broke away to form the anti-capitalist Schwarze Front (Black Front). Gregor remained the head of the left wing of the Nazi Party, but the lot for the ideological soul of the party had been cast.
Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:13 pm
Ah, you excised all the proof. I knew you would. You aren't even going to want to know the truth, so you won't even look at it.
Have a nice day.
Before you go, how about bestowing upon her some of your divinely inspired wisdom?
The evidence for National Socialism being Socialism is there, in abundance. But it's one thing to "bestow," and another to be willing to "receive." The former has been done, and the latter refused.
There's no more to say.
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You need to argue the toss about it with your friend Sculptor. He's an actual Marxist. I honestly don't give a flying rat's arse. It's irrelevant and certainly makes no difference to all those dead people whatever self-serving 'label' it's given.
But calling a fascist, extreme right-wing totalitarion dictatorship 'socialism' is as bat-shit fucking insane as saying men are women and can have babies and women have penises. Oh, hang on, that's what we ARE being told. Humans are fucked.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 pm
You need to argue the toss about it with your friend Sculptor. He's an actual Marxist. I honestly don't give a flying rat's arse. It's irrelevant and certainly makes no difference to all those dead people whatever self-serving 'label' it's given.
But calling a fascist, extreme right-wing totalitarion dictatorship 'socialism' is as bat-shit fucking insane as saying men are women and can have babies and women have penises. Oh, hang on, that's what we ARE being told. Humans are fucked.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 pm
You need to argue the toss about it with your friend Sculptor. He's an actual Marxist. I honestly don't give a flying rat's arse. It's irrelevant and certainly makes no difference to all those dead people whatever self-serving 'label' it's given.
But calling a fascist, extreme right-wing totalitarion dictatorship 'socialism' is as bat-shit fucking insane as saying men are women and can have babies and women have penises. Oh, hang on, that's what we ARE being told. Humans are fucked.
My bad. I see what you're saying.
It was for IC. I'm on the same side as you in this. I didn't want to encourage IC by 'quoting' his annoying rubbish any more than I could possibly help. It was just unfortunate that your comment came up in between
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 pm
You need to argue the toss about it with your friend Sculptor. He's an actual Marxist. I honestly don't give a flying rat's arse. It's irrelevant and certainly makes no difference to all those dead people whatever self-serving 'label' it's given.
But calling a fascist, extreme right-wing totalitarion dictatorship 'socialism' is as bat-shit fucking insane as saying men are women and can have babies and women have penises. Oh, hang on, that's what we ARE being told. Humans are fucked.
My bad. I see what you're saying.
It was for IC. I'm on the same side as you in this. I didn't want to encourage IC by 'quoting' his annoying rubbish any more than I could possibly help. It was just unfortunate that your comment came up in between
I see. That's OK then. You're good.
But for all I know maybe there's a "God" and "God" created the world and is the one who inspired the Bible. If that's the case, then I assume God probably hates me anyway. Whatever... I won't be prostrating myself any time soon before the creator of this disasterverse so I doubt my fate is going to be particularly delightful. I just want out. No mortal can safely fix this world anyway. It's inherently fucked up from the most fundamental core all the way up to the macro scale. Even those who try their feeble best to fix it get nowhere. IC is welcome to entertain whatever delusions he wants about it. He's welcome to go to "heaven" for all I care. Just give me oblivion and I'll call it even. I'll call myself "Lucky" if I can get there free of pain or anticipation of approaching death.
It was for IC. I'm on the same side as you in this. I didn't want to encourage IC by 'quoting' his annoying rubbish any more than I could possibly help. It was just unfortunate that your comment came up in between
I see. That's OK then. You're good.
But for all I know maybe there's a "God" and "God" created the world and is the one who inspired the Bible. If that's the case, then I assume God probably hates me anyway. Whatever... I won't be prostrating myself any time soon before the creator of this disasterverse so I doubt my fate is going to be particularly delightful. I just want out. No mortal can safely fix this world anyway. It's inherently fucked up from the most fundamental core all the way up to the macro scale. Even those who try their feeble best to fix it get nowhere. IC is welcome to entertain whatever delusions he wants about it. He's welcome to go to "heaven" for all I care. Just give me oblivion and I'll call it even. I'll call myself "Lucky" if I can get there free of pain or anticipation of approaching death.
I was only clarifying. You won the argument hands down with him anyway. Not that he would ever notice. He doesn't even bother with 'trivialities' like facts and evidence. He just says 'you wouldn't believe me anyway' as an excuse to get out of presenting an actual argument
And I'm pretty sure we are ALL headed for messy, unpleasant deaths. If you wait for a bit it probably won't be all that long before govts. are handing out suicide pills as a mercy.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:00 pm
And I'm pretty sure we are ALL headed for messy, unpleasant deaths. If you wait for a bit it probably won't be all that long before govts. are handing out suicide tablets as a mercy.
It's the most profoundly saddest thing I can think of but you might be right about that. However, it might be a little better than more or less handing out guns and bombs as what is pretty much done now.
There doesn't seem to be much any rational person can do to make the world livable and hospitable for all. People have been trying to do that since the beginning of time and nothing has changed except our ability to suffer even more or else create more suffering for others. Apparently, our beloved "God" of the 'Holy Babble" was angry when people began to cooperate and construct the Tower of Babel because he was literally "afraid" we would get to "heaven"! So he fused us with differences and conflict and made worldwide cooperation impossible.
I give up. What's the point of living if everything we do is simply evil for some other living being? My gain is the loss of some other being's life or livlihood. It doesn't get any more fucked up than that. Thanks for NOTHING, "God"!!!
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:00 pm
And I'm pretty sure we are ALL headed for messy, unpleasant deaths. If you wait for a bit it probably won't be all that long before govts. are handing out suicide tablets as a mercy.
It's the most profoundly saddest thing I can think of but you might be right about that. However, it might be a little better than more or less handing out guns and bombs.
There doesn't seem to be much any rational person can do to make the world livable and hospitable for all. People have been trying to do that since the beginning of time and nothing has changed except our ability to suffer even more or else create more suffering for others. Apparently, our beloved "God" of the 'Holy Babble" was angry when people began to cooperate and construct the Tower of Babel because he was literally "afraid" we would get to "heaven"! So he fused us with differences and conflict and made worldwide cooperation impossible.
I give up. What's the point of living if everything we do is simply evil for some other living being? My gain is the loss of some other being's life. It doesn't get any more fucked up than that. Thanks for NOTHING, "God"!!!
But unfortunately you would be condemning your parents to unbearable torture for the rest of their lives. (Normal) parents don't just 'get over' these things, so you might have to 'stick it out' if you don't want to condemn them to that.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:00 pm
And I'm pretty sure we are ALL headed for messy, unpleasant deaths. If you wait for a bit it probably won't be all that long before govts. are handing out suicide tablets as a mercy.
It's the most profoundly saddest thing I can think of but you might be right about that. However, it might be a little better than more or less handing out guns and bombs.
There doesn't seem to be much any rational person can do to make the world livable and hospitable for all. People have been trying to do that since the beginning of time and nothing has changed except our ability to suffer even more or else create more suffering for others. Apparently, our beloved "God" of the 'Holy Babble" was angry when people began to cooperate and construct the Tower of Babel because he was literally "afraid" we would get to "heaven"! So he fused us with differences and conflict and made worldwide cooperation impossible.
I give up. What's the point of living if everything we do is simply evil for some other living being? My gain is the loss of some other being's life. It doesn't get any more fucked up than that. Thanks for NOTHING, "God"!!!
But unfortunately you would be condemning your parents to unbearable torture for the rest of their lives. (Normal) parents don't just 'get over' these things, so you might just have to 'stick it out' if you don't want to condemn them to that.
I know. I don't blame my folks for anything. It's not their fault. God (if there is one at all) also made sure that the young are ignorant and seek affection from each other. Indeed, it would equally create a human disaster if people stopped having babies because then there would be no one to take care of the elderly ones that reach an age where they can no longer look after themselves. I'll do what I can of my duty and try to give my mom a sendoff that is free of as much pain and worry as I can. (My dad passed away exactly three weeks ago as of today). But after that, I'm on my own and that's fine. I'll bite the bullet. Maybe someone else's kid will be kind enough to at least see that I'm not left to rot somewhere in the middle of the street or something. Not that it would matter to me at that point anyway. It would just be for their own peace of mind.
EVERYTHING is a catch-22. There is no suitable solution to the problems of living and stopping the cycle isn't going to come without significant problems also. To be honest, whether or not there is a "God" is probably of minimal importance anyway. Either God is as much a sadistic monster as anything else or otherwise, there's no "God" at all. We can take our pick. But either way is not going to change the world as it manifests itself one whit.
It's the most profoundly saddest thing I can think of but you might be right about that. However, it might be a little better than more or less handing out guns and bombs.
There doesn't seem to be much any rational person can do to make the world livable and hospitable for all. People have been trying to do that since the beginning of time and nothing has changed except our ability to suffer even more or else create more suffering for others. Apparently, our beloved "God" of the 'Holy Babble" was angry when people began to cooperate and construct the Tower of Babel because he was literally "afraid" we would get to "heaven"! So he fused us with differences and conflict and made worldwide cooperation impossible.
I give up. What's the point of living if everything we do is simply evil for some other living being? My gain is the loss of some other being's life. It doesn't get any more fucked up than that. Thanks for NOTHING, "God"!!!
But unfortunately you would be condemning your parents to unbearable torture for the rest of their lives. (Normal) parents don't just 'get over' these things, so you might just have to 'stick it out' if you don't want to condemn them to that.
I know. I don't blame my folks for anything. It's not their fault. God (if there is one at all) also made sure that the young are ignorant and seek affection from each other. Indeed, it would equally create a human disaster if people stopped having babies because then there would be no one to take care of the elderly ones that reach an age where they can no longer look after themselves. I'll do what I can of my duty and try to give my mom a sendoff that is free of as much pain and worry as I can. (My dad passed away exactly three weeks ago as of today). But after that, I'm on my own and that's fine. I'll bite the bullet. Maybe someone else's kid will be kind enough to at least see that I'm not left to rot somewhere in the middle of the street or something. Not that it would matter to me at that point anyway. It would just be for their own peace of mind.
EVERYTHING is a catch-22. There is no suitable solution to the problems of living and stopping the cycle isn't going to come without significant problems also. To be honest, whether or not there is a "God" is probably of minimal importance anyway. Either God is as much a sadistic monster as anything else or otherwise, there's no "God" at all. We can take our pick. But either way is not going to change the world as it manifests itself one whit.
Sorry about your Dad. Loneliness is not for the faint hearted.
I knew you would. You aren't even going to want to know the truth, so you won't even look at it.
