Is homosexuality a sin

[dattaswami]

If sin is breaking the law of god, you have to ask why would homosexuality be a sin, when sexual orientation is not a choice. Because if sexual orientation is not a choice then it has to be natural - or a choice of god.

The sole aim of marriage is to produce children. This point is defeated. Hence it is a sin but not a serious sin since others are not affected in this case.

[attofishpi]

If sin is breaking the law of god, you have to ask why would homosexuality be a sin, when sexual orientation is not a choice. Because if sexual orientation is not a choice then it has to be natural - or a choice of god.

The sole aim of marriage is to produce children. This point is defeated. Hence it is a sin but not a serious sin since others are not affected in this case.

If you think the sole aim of marriage is to produce children then you are more of an idiot than I originally had you pegged.

btw. You do realise that children can be produced outside of marriage don't you?

[dattaswami]

btw. You do realise that children can be produced outside of marriage don't you?

Illegal sex is a sin..

[Iwannaplato]

btw. You do realise that children can be produced outside of marriage don't you?

Illegal sex is a sin..

Apart from your seeming ignorance of the laws in the coutries of the people you are writing to here, you don't seem to realize that consenting adult unmarried sex is legal in your own country.

[dattaswami]

Apart from your seeming ignorance of the laws in the coutries of the people you are writing to here, you don't seem to realize that consenting adult unmarried sex is legal in your own country.

The children shall be born through a legal marriage so that the children get the association of both the parents and parents can mold the character of the child.

[Iwannaplato]

Apart from your seeming ignorance of the laws in the coutries of the people you are writing to here, you don't seem to realize that consenting adult unmarried sex is legal in your own country.

The children shall be born through a legal marriage so that the children get the association of both the parents and parents can mold the character of the child.

I get that you want that. But it's legal to have sex as an adult even when single.

[Iwannaplato]

Apart from your seeming ignorance of the laws in the coutries of the people you are writing to here, you don't seem to realize that consenting adult unmarried sex is legal in your own country.

The children shall be born through a legal marriage so that the children get the association of both the parents and parents can mold the character of the child.

And then let's go in another direction: what is the role of a parent?

[Dontaskme]

Illegal sex is a sin..

Then if that is true, which it isn't, it's illegal to intentionally make babies already knowing they may sin, babies who are forced into a world by sinners, who are unconsenting, but have been forced to also live in this illegal world where it's illegal to have sex and illegal to make babies to come and live in this illegal world full of sinners.

This is the sickness and the insane madness that is the human mind of belief.

Fortunately, the mind is a myth, it's just some imagined story, no one thought of, spoke of, wrote, or read.

There's just what's happening, that no thing, not a thing makes happen, nor can make unhappen.

[dattaswami]

And then let's go in another direction: what is the role of a parent?

Your question is very important since children are the future generation and anything enters the brain of a child easily, especially when preached by their parents due to the strong confidence present in the hearts of children towards their parents. When a soul is born in this world after thoroughly washed in the hell, the child born here contains all mentalities (Samskaraas) in minute quantities only as seeds. These mentalities are both good and bad since
human being is a mixture of good and bad mentalities (Anishtamishtam mishramcha – Gita). Good mentalities are angels and bad mentalities are demons. If good and bad mentalities are approximately in equal quantities, the born child belongs to the race of human beings.

If good is more than bad, the child belongs to the race of angels. If bad prevails over good, the child belongs to the race of demons. Thus, in humanity itself, you have both angels and demons. Angels do not commit sins, even if commit, realize immediately. Devils always commit sins and never realize due
to ego and not due to lack of intelligence. Human beings are very complicated in the analysis balancing both good and bad and neither we can put them in angels nor in demons. Animals and birds also commit sins but have no intellectual capacity to realize the sin.

Demons differ from animals in not realizing the sin even though the intellectual capacity exists in them. Hence, punishments are given to demons, but not to animals and birds. The state of a child resembles more to a bird or animal in the beginning stage due to absence of matured intellectual capacity to discriminate good and bad. Slowly, the child grows and the direction of the child may result in one of these three lines from that common junction. The three lines are related to angels, humans and demons.

If the born child belongs to the race of angels by having major good mentalities, even very light atmosphere is sufficient to make it a perfect angel in
the rest of life. Similar is the case of a demon-child. The human-child is also similar because it can become angel or demon depending on even light good or bad atmosphere. Samskara is important, but, the atmosphere is also equally important or even more important. If the atmosphere is very strong, the weak samskara does not have strength to overcome the atmosphere. The reverse of this statement cannot exist because the samskara in a child after returning from the upper worlds is always weak.

The conclusion is that the atmosphere in this world is going to decide the entire fate of the soul present in the child. Hence, this world having a place for such atmosphere has full freedom to lead the soul in any direction. Therefore, this world is called as 'Karma Loka' or the place of free efforts deciding the entire fate of the soul. This is the reason why Swami Vivekananda told that you are the master of your destiny.

This means that nothing is predetermined in this world and everything depends upon the self-effort and the external atmosphere. Shankara says that the atmosphere alone is the deciding factor, neglecting even the samskara, which is very weak at the time of birth, continuing in the same level throughout childhood. Shankara gives top most place for the atmosphere as the sole factor to decide the fate of soul neglecting even the samskara, which can be grown in the congenial strong atmosphere. Shankara says that if you are in the association of contemporary human incarnation and
its devotees, you are sure to get the total grace of God (Satsangatve…). The Sat-Sanga means the association with 'Sat' or absolute reality existing in a specific human form like Shankara.

[dattaswami]

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This is the sickness and the insane madness that is the human mind of belief.

Fortunately, the mind is a myth, it's just some imagined story, no one thought of, spoke of, wrote, or read.

There's just what's happening, that no thing, not a thing makes happen, nor can make unhappen.

When you produce children out of legal marriage; then with association of good parents the child will motivated to do good deeds and due to this society will be benefited.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

This has to be some sort of record. Datasomethingorother must have posted at least 100k words on here (perhaps even a million) and I would be willing to bet that out of all of that spam there is not one single sentence with insight or wisdom in it.

[Dontaskme]

When you produce children out of legal marriage; then with association of good parents the child will motivated to do good deeds and due to this society will be benefited.

What an absolute pile of balderdash. Children born from legal marriage can and do become gay. Which is a sin according to your belief. It's almost embarrassing but not entirely shocking that intelligent human beings can make-up such balderdash and believe it is real.

But then again, if your belief that illegal marriage is a sin, and that children born of legal marriage grow up to be gay is a sin, then that's your kink, and no one but you can straighten that out for you, it's your own self-made delusional belief that only you have generated. The belief doesn't exist in the real world, that is this absolute total mysterious unknowing.

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[Iwannaplato]

And then let's go in another direction: what is the role of a parent?

Your question is very important since children are the future generation and anything enters the brain of a child easily, especially when preached by their parents due to the strong confidence present in the hearts of children towards their parents. When a soul is born in this world after thoroughly washed in the hell, the child born here contains all mentalities (Samskaraas) in minute quantities only as seeds. These mentalities are both good and bad since
human being is a mixture of good and bad mentalities (Anishtamishtam mishramcha – Gita). Good mentalities are angels and bad mentalities are demons. If good and bad mentalities are approximately in equal quantities, the born child belongs to the race of human beings.

If good is more than bad, the child belongs to the race of angels. If bad prevails over good, the child belongs to the race of demons. Thus, in humanity itself, you have both angels and demons. Angels do not commit sins, even if commit, realize immediately. Devils always commit sins and never realize due
to ego and not due to lack of intelligence. Human beings are very complicated in the analysis balancing both good and bad and neither we can put them in angels nor in demons. Animals and birds also commit sins but have no intellectual capacity to realize the sin.

Demons differ from animals in not realizing the sin even though the intellectual capacity exists in them. Hence, punishments are given to demons, but not to animals and birds. The state of a child resembles more to a bird or animal in the beginning stage due to absence of matured intellectual capacity to discriminate good and bad. Slowly, the child grows and the direction of the child may result in one of these three lines from that common junction. The three lines are related to angels, humans and demons.

If the born child belongs to the race of angels by having major good mentalities, even very light atmosphere is sufficient to make it a perfect angel in
the rest of life. Similar is the case of a demon-child. The human-child is also similar because it can become angel or demon depending on even light good or bad atmosphere. Samskara is important, but, the atmosphere is also equally important or even more important. If the atmosphere is very strong, the weak samskara does not have strength to overcome the atmosphere. The reverse of this statement cannot exist because the samskara in a child after returning from the upper worlds is always weak.

The conclusion is that the atmosphere in this world is going to decide the entire fate of the soul present in the child. Hence, this world having a place for such atmosphere has full freedom to lead the soul in any direction. Therefore, this world is called as 'Karma Loka' or the place of free efforts deciding the entire fate of the soul. This is the reason why Swami Vivekananda told that you are the master of your destiny.

This means that nothing is predetermined in this world and everything depends upon the self-effort and the external atmosphere. Shankara says that the atmosphere alone is the deciding factor, neglecting even the samskara, which is very weak at the time of birth, continuing in the same level throughout childhood. Shankara gives top most place for the atmosphere as the sole factor to decide the fate of soul neglecting even the samskara, which can be grown in the congenial strong atmosphere. Shankara says that if you are in the association of contemporary human incarnation and
its devotees, you are sure to get the total grace of God (Satsangatve…). The Sat-Sanga means the association with 'Sat' or absolute reality existing in a specific human form like Shankara.

I don't think you understood the question.

[Sculptor]

If sin is breaking the law of god, you have to ask why would homosexuality be a sin, when sexual orientation is not a choice. Because if sexual orientation is not a choice then it has to be natural - or a choice of god.

The sole aim of marriage is to produce children. This point is defeated. Hence it is a sin but not a serious sin since others are not affected in this case.

Marriage is not natural. It is not present in the natural world and is a cultural phenomenon designed by man. It is not necessary for reproduction.
Your point is defeated
Sin is designed by man.
Your point is defeated.
God is designed by man
Your point is defeated.
Homosexuality is natural
Your point is defeated.
If there is a god then he is the designer of nature.
homosexuality is natural, therefore is true by design of god.
Your ideology is defeated.
You are not a philosopher and you have no right to be here preaching.

[Dontaskme]

Marriage is not natural. It is another man-made slave control system that working for a living is. Marriage is designed to protect children. But what a fat load of good marriage has done for children.

Marriage has caused more heartbreak and suffering to both adults and children alike more than any other source of misery.

Humans are just too darn stupid to realise how their intelligence is wasted on their super easy willingless to follow and participate with the brainwashed conditioned sense of self-identity that has been artificially imposed upon them by human societal pressures and expectations. Humans have been conditioned from cradle to grave to accept the majority consensus status quo of how things should be and not be.

Instead of just blindly going along with what is expected of them, alternatively they could have changed the status quo and thought things through for themselves if only they would have had the courage to think outside the box without feeling excluded from the herd mentality.

I'm beginning to wonder if humans beings are actually capable of loving each other without hurting others and causing misery and suffering upon themselves in the process. Maybe humans were never meant to like each other, maybe humans just cannot stomach each other. But just tolerate each other because their lives would be intolerable and absolute chaos if they didn't cooperate amicably.

Without their human intelligence and their capacity for discernment, their lives would run parallel to natures wild world of dog eat dog if they didn't cooperate, but their cooperation could be just a superficial tolerance....as nature being what it is, selfish to the core.

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