What is LIFE ?

[Veritas Aequitas]

We, the human population of planet earth, are free to believe whatever we like.

Great job with your life. Salute to you

We are free to believe what we like provided it is not a malignant ideology like Islam and the likes.

I believe your belief must have been very optimal to yourself and will be an appropriate to anyone in your similar conditions and environment.

I am very interested in how you manage to live to such a ripe old age and still able to post so rationally?

What is your lifestyle? sports, social, etc.
What is your daily nutrition?

[Age]

We, the human population of planet earth, are free to believe whatever we like.

Great job with your life. Salute to you

What 'job' did this one actually do with its life that was 'great' compared to being 'not great', which you perceived deserved some salute?

We are free to believe what we like provided it is not a malignant ideology like Islam and the likes.

This here could NOT be MORE STUPID, MORE CONTRADICTORY, and MORE SELF-ABSORBED NONSENSE if you wanted it to be.

LOL ANY one is free to BELIEVE absolutely ANY thing they like, (just as long as those beliefs do NOT go against my own views and beliefs here).

I believe your belief must have been very optimal to yourself and will be an appropriate to anyone in your similar conditions and environment.

I am very interested in how you manage to live to such a ripe old age and still able to post so rationally?

LOL That body is only about 95 years.

What is your lifestyle? sports, social, etc.
What is your daily nutrition?

[Ferdi]

I thank those of you who have commented on my entry of 19 Dec. I am sorry that I have to reply in my way but I was born before computers were invented. I used Typists during my income-earning period. Thus I am now a 2-finger typist, driven by a 95 year old brain with its memory full and overflowing. I have forgotten how to use the here customary method of first copying the relevant contributor’s points and then to add my comments. Current medical science gives me the label of suffering from “Dimentia”, but IMO it is simply a matter of one’s brain-cells being full. And because any brain has its limited storage capacity, when its memory is full, some memory cells need to be vacated or die and be replaced by new cells to cater for the daily new impressions, etc. May that serve as my excuse.
It may be relevant to note that I was born in Amsterdam in 1927, in strict Catholic surroundings, with Highschool at a Jesuit’s College. Migrated to NZ in 1952 where my work, 18 years later made us (wife and 4 teenagers) move to Melbourne in 1970. I kept going to Church each Sunday until the mid ’70’s. My wife had stopped church-going long before me. We had stopped taking our children to-church when they reached Secondary Schooling.

Now to some of the points raised such as by “attofishpi”: IMO, at the instant of our death, our earthly knowledge stops and is replaced by the INFINITE knowledge of SPACE from where we came at birth, the Space in which we live and die. Infinity gives us at death instantly infinite KNOWLEDGE, i.e. our earthly questions cease to exist, everything becomes crystal clear, any human ideas of “Gods” disappear as mere earthly inventions.

For “lacewing”: thanks for your specific question, which makes it easier for my old brain. My most relevant conclusion about LIFE is that selfishness prevails. Even “good” leaders are forced to have some self-serving amongst their staff. Re my advice to others, primarily: “Live and let live.”

For “Harbal”: I may guess that you are old enough to be aware that Father Xmas’ presents come from your own circle of humans. I thank you for your comments.

For “Age”: The purpose of the 1st sentence of my entry is to simply provide a label to my entry. I then followed it up with my opinions of that subject, such as: we are indoctrinated by the environment in which we gradually discern ourselves to have been born. We have no choice about that environment and we become only gradually aware that we have our own free will. Our environment is our primary source of learning; it sends us into whatever “its” direction is. We gradually become able to judge for ourselves but we will be influenced by our environment, such as by religious indoctrination from Holy books, or here in Australia by “Footy”. Re your “what returns to the Universe?”. The rather obvious answer is one’s “LIFE”. Please tell us what your initial environment was and what you expect to occur on death. IMO there must be a reason for our FREE WILL, for being free to choose between acting good or bad. There must also be a reason that there is the whole variety of humans with different talents good, bad and everything in between. There must be a “day of reckoning” for each individual, which I believe will be at the instant of one’s death when one will instantly judge oneself with INFINITE wisdom, and one will be with that forever!
You ask “What is life?” That is indeed the basic question and my answer is that LIFE is whatever drives any living creature. Human lives are driven by their human superior intelligence which enables questioning and seeking answers. lt is fundamental to have some answer for guidance through our life. If we remain alive and are conscious at our time of death, we will have experienced what life is but we will still question why life was and wonder what will come next. I believe that there must be an instant of wise reckoning at the time of one’s death and that one will judge by “separating good from bad” and carry such graded label for eternity. Would I be correct to gather that you have some religious background?

For “DUBIOUS”: It is a fact, “death” means that a life has ended, its owner departed. It is logical to assume that life than returned to wherever it originated from at its birth. We cannot see , we do not know from where that is, but we do know that we are on planet earth and that EARTH is only one of the countless number of items floating in the infinite UNIVERSE which is of INFINITE dimension LARGE and SMALL, the latter is commonly overlooked, although it penetrates everything. “Infinity” denotes “beyond our ability of observation”.


For “Bobmax”: I agree that INFINITY is not a tangible item but it is our label for dimensions that are beyond our reach and comprehension. I may stress that “infinitely small” is commonly ignored although it penetrates everything. We are not born from INFINITY but are born from a fertilised human egg, which at birth came to LIFE. Death occurs when that life departs from its body. If you have attended a dying person you will have observed that LIFE was still present, but some moments later LIFE had departed leaving behind a useless corpse that has to be disposed of before it starts to deteriorate, it falls apart, returns into the earthly dust from which it was made in its mother’s womb. Its LIFE also returned to wherever it came from at its birth, which is the infinitely small aspect of the space of planet EARTH in which we live. The concept of SPACE is obviously beyond our comprehension both on the large side and on the small side. Nothingness and infinity are our labels for those extreme phases. I thank you for your best wishes and wish you to widen your mind.


For “iambiguous” : fear-of-death is a natural phenomenon, aggravated by pain.

[Gary Childress]

We, the human population of planet earth, are free to believe whatever we like. However, religious beliefs have evolved about Gods and we are thus indoctrinated by Bibles and other such Holy stories, all products of human imagination. The fundamental question is: WHAT IS LIFE ?
I am 95, a Civil Engineer, have thus had a long time to reach my own conclusions about LIFE.
My very old body shows more and more signs of being worn-out. I am aware that my life will stop sooner rather than later. It has made me increasingly ask myself where lives go to on death.
Logically, lives will return to wherever they came from at birth. Where do babies-lives come from? Prior to its birth a baby goes through the foetus stage while growing as an alive part of, and in, its mother during the 8 months foetus-stage. At its birth it remains to be seen if its own LIFE will indeed enter, while the attendants keenly await to hear the Babe’s first cry; the signal that LIFE has entered and that a new human has been born. Note that LIFE does not come from the mother but life comes from the INFINITY of SPACE in which we live. Note that infinity includes not only infinitely large, but also infinitely small. It is the small side where everything, matter and non-matter, comes from, and logically returns to. How that happens is essentially beyond our mere human comprehension.
Thus I came to my belief about death, which is: one returns to the infinite dimension of the universe. At the instant of one’s death, TIME and knowledge will become infinite. Thus one will instantly judge everything, including oneself with infinite wisdom, and one will “be” with that forever. Our dimensions, qualifications, comprehension and judgements do not apply in the infinite dimensions of space. It is superfluous to think about a heaven or hell or a GOD when infinite knowledge rules.
I am not scared to die; merely hopeful to have a painless death if needed by controlled medication.
Wishing you all patience and wisdom during your lives.
Best regards, Ferdi Hillen.

I think in the end, we just go back to what we were before we were born. I don't remember experiencing anything before I was born and I see no reason to believe that we'll experience anything after death. We'll just cease to be. And like Epicurus, I think that's not a bad state of affairs because we wouldn't experience any pain or feelings of loss over being deceased. We won't experience anything at all. Most of the suffering we experience regarding death is the dread of it while we're alive.

[Ferdi]

For GARY CHILDRESSS.
It is logical to assume that on our death, our “LIFE” will return to wherever lives come from at births. I believe that all lives and everything, large and small, come from the INFINITE dimensions of our universe. Some RELIGIONS invented the labels of “heaven, hell and purgatory” as our destination, with a God sitting there to judge us. I am not aware of any religion’s label for the source of lives, but I believe that all lives come from the space of the universe in which we live. “LIFE” is not a ”thing”. Life is not of our dimensions. I believe that at the instant when LIFE departs from us at death, our earthly awareness instantly becomes INFINITE and we judge ourselves instantly on a “scale”, graduated from good to bad, for eternity. With our then infinite wise judgement we will know that we do belong there. And of course we will instantly be reunited with our relations and be with all the other departed “souls”, from each of which we will instantly know and appreciate their graded eternal scale. The concept of time does of course not apply in infinite suroundings.
If there were no “judgement” on death, it would make nonsense of planet earth being populated with good and bad people. Infinity does not produce nonsense!

[Age]

I thank those of you who have commented on my entry of 19 Dec. I am sorry that I have to reply in my way but I was born before computers were invented. I used Typists during my income-earning period. Thus I am now a 2-finger typist, driven by a 95 year old brain with its memory full and overflowing.

That is a HUGE UNDERESTIMATION of the human brain.

I have forgotten how to use the here customary method of first copying the relevant contributor’s points and then to add my comments.

There are a few here who still have NOT YET worked out how that is done.

Current medical science gives me the label of suffering from “Dimentia”, but IMO it is simply a matter of one’s brain-cells being full.

Sounds like a 'cop out', an 'excuse', an attempt at claiming 'to know as much as one ever could', or there might just be a LOT of truth to this. But, then 'science' would be wrong.

And because any brain has its limited storage capacity,

Is there ANY evidence or proof for this?

If yes, then WHERE?

when its memory is full, some memory cells need to be vacated or die and be replaced by new cells to cater for the daily new impressions, etc. May that serve as my excuse.

Making 'excuses' was a very popular habit among the elderly, in the days when this was being written. But, because of their experiences in childhood 'excuse making' was perfectly UNDERSTANDABLE, just like all of the other Wrong things that they would continually do.

It may be relevant to note that I was born in Amsterdam in 1927, in strict Catholic surroundings, with Highschool at a Jesuit’s College. Migrated to NZ in 1952 where my work, 18 years later made us (wife and 4 teenagers) move to Melbourne in 1970. I kept going to Church each Sunday until the mid ’70’s. My wife had stopped church-going long before me. We had stopped taking our children to-church when they reached Secondary Schooling.

Now to some of the points raised such as by “attofishpi”: IMO, at the instant of our death, our earthly knowledge stops and is replaced by the INFINITE knowledge of SPACE from where we came at birth, the Space in which we live and die. Infinity gives us at death instantly infinite KNOWLEDGE, i.e. our earthly questions cease to exist, everything becomes crystal clear, any human ideas of “Gods” disappear as mere earthly inventions.

Sounds like you have ALREADY obtained the so-called 'infinite KNOWLEDGE' and are 'trying to' SHARE 'this KNOWLEDGE' with "others" BEFORE 'your' so-called 'death'.

By the way, what would be the purpose of obtaining so called 'INFINITE KNOWLEDGE' AFTER the body STOPS BREATHING?

For “lacewing”: thanks for your specific question, which makes it easier for my old brain. My most relevant conclusion about LIFE is that selfishness prevails.

That is CLEARLY OBVIOUS. Just LOOK AT the way 'you', adult human beings, continually misbehave.

Also, WORK OUT WHY 'you' are ALL GREEDY, then 'you' CAN STOP future generations BEING GREEDY like 'you' ALL ARE. Which, by the way, was a FAR MORE SIMPLER and EASIER PROCESS than ANY of 'you' could have imagined now, when this was being written.

Even “good” leaders are forced to have some self-serving amongst their staff.

WHY are 'they' SUPPOSEDLY 'forced to' have this?

Re my advice to others, primarily: “Live and let live.”

For “Harbal”: I may guess that you are old enough to be aware that Father Xmas’ presents come from your own circle of humans. I thank you for your comments.

For “Age”: The purpose of the 1st sentence of my entry is to simply provide a label to my entry. I then followed it up with my opinions of that subject, such as: we are indoctrinated by the environment in which we gradually discern ourselves to have been born.

But 'you', adults are 'indoctrinated' by 'your' past adult generations. The environment INFORMS 'you' of 'things'. It is ONLY adult human beings who INDOCTRINATE children, who then 'grow up' WITH BELIEFS, which are then PASSED ON and INDOCTRINATED INTO children, and thus future generations.

We have no choice about that environment and we become only gradually aware that we have our own free will.

Yes, absolutely NO child has absolutely ANY CHOICE about the environment that they HAVE TO 'grow up' in AND ENDURE WITH-IN. BUT, adults have ABSOLUTELY EVERY CHOICE about HOW they MAKE 'that environment' FOR their, and future, children.

Our environment is our primary source of learning; it sends us into whatever “its” direction is. We gradually become able to judge for ourselves but we will be influenced by our environment, such as by religious indoctrination from Holy books, or here in Australia by “Footy”. Re your “what returns to the Universe?”. The rather obvious answer is one’s “LIFE”.

Who and/or what is this 'one', which 'you' refer to here?

To me, there IS:

1. 'Life', Itself. Or, in other words, the 'Energy' WITH-IN EVERY 'thing'.

2. 'life'. The time from when one thing comes into existence, exists, and then exits.

3. 'life'. This 'way of living'. The pre-historic age, the medieval age, the computer age, et cetera, for example.

4. 'life'. The way a human being lives, for example.

To me, 'Life', capital 'L' does NOT 'return' as It NEVER leaves. While ALL of the other 'lifes' ALWAYS have A BEGINNING and A ENDING.

Please tell us what your initial environment was and what you expect to occur on death.

My initial environment was of seeing a light, at the end of a tunnel, then reaching, and coming through, some pearly gates. The 'pearly gates' just being a vagina, and 'the light', at the end of the tunnel, just being from the sun or the light in the room in which i was born into, then i was ABUSED, almost immediately, as i felt a hand from some over sized creature smacking my behind. When all I NEEDED was A BREATH across my face to AWAKEN me. The 'breath of life' was all i WANTED also, and NOT what would be later USED as PUNISHMENT. i was then TAKEN from the 'mother' from which i just came out of, and who born me into 'this world', and then given to some "other" woman, who HATED me from day one. The 'environment', after that initial environment, i came to REALIZE was made up MONEY HUNGRY adult human beings, who were CONTINUALLY CREATING MORE and MORE MESS from their VERY GREEDY and SELFISH ways. And,

What i KNOW WILL happen AFTER this body STOPS BREATHING and STOPS PUMPING BLOOD, is the 'thoughts' that would come and go and were existing WITHIN this body, and which were the SOLELY CAUSE and RESPONSIBILITY for how 'this body' behaved, AND MISBEHAVED, will have been PASSED ON and INTO other human bodies and so WILL HAVE some sort of AFFECT on 'the environment', in ways forever more.

IMO there must be a reason for our FREE WILL, for being free to choose between acting good or bad.

To me THERE IS.

That reason being BECAUSE human beings learn BEST from MAKING MISTAKES. So, the MORE MISTAKES that are made, and the MORE MESS that IS CREATED, and the MORE we FREE WILL we HAVE to CHOOSE to be Truly RESPONSIBLE for our OWN CHOSEN MIS/BEHAVIORS, then the MORE we CAN and WILL CHANGE, for the better.

But there is MORE to be UNDERSTOOD here BEFORE this will make absolute sense.

There must also be a reason that there is the whole variety of humans with different talents good, bad and everything in between.

Yes THERE IS. The reason is EVERY one IS DIFFERENT.

There must be a “day of reckoning” for each individual, which I believe will be at the instant of one’s death when one will instantly judge oneself with INFINITE wisdom, and one will be with that forever!

'you' are absolutely FREE to BELIEVE absolutely ANY thing. However, do you have absolutely ANY evidence or proof of 'this' AT ALL.

Also, could the so-called 'day of reckoning' NOT be for ALL 'things', but what 'it' IS EXACTLY come to be KNOWN, individually?

You ask “What is life?” That is indeed the basic question and my answer is that LIFE is whatever drives any living creature.

Okay, but then this contradicts the term 'ones LIFE'. See, if LIFE is whatever drives ANY living creature, then there is NO 'one' living creature that has 'its' LIFE. If the word 'LIFE" all capital letters is 'whatever' drives ALL living creatures, then there is NO one living creature, unless of course 'it' is outside of being a living creature, that is driving living creatures.

Human lives are driven by their human superior intelligence which enables questioning and seeking answers.

1. I am NOT sure how 'this' is meant to be 'superior', which enables questioning and seeking answers. What is 'it' that 'it' is supposedly 'superior' to, exactly?

2. I thought human beings, like ALL other living creatures, would be the EXACT SAME 'LIFE' 'Thing', which is, supposedly, driving ALL living creatures.

lt is fundamental to have some answer for guidance through our life.

Okay.

But the internal GUIDER, which GUIDES ALL living creatures, in HOW to 'live' 'Life' has been doing a pretty good job so far, correct?

If we remain alive and are conscious at our time of death, we will have experienced what life is but we will still question why life was and wonder what will come next.

But these things are ALREADY KNOWN. Just NOT by EVERY one, obviously.

I believe that there must be an instant of wise reckoning at the time of one’s death and that one will judge by “separating good from bad” and carry such graded label for eternity.

Okay, but a common habit I have OBSERVED among human beings is that they express what they HOPE FOR, BUT express 'it' as though 'it' is ACTUALLY true and real. See some people REALLY do like to BELIEVE (in) some 'things', which are ACTUALLY NOT real NOR true AT ALL.

Would I be correct to gather that you have some religious background?

The only religious background i have is that in the environment/world that i grew up WITHIN there are LOTS and LOTS of different types of 'religions' being TAUGHT and LEARNED.

For “DUBIOUS”: It is a fact, “death” means that a life has ended, its owner departed.

'Departing' does NOT necessarily mean 'the end'.

It is logical to assume that life than returned to wherever it originated from at its birth.

But there is ONLY One place, and 'It' is WHERE 'Life', Itself, exists. There is NO 'other' place where ANY 'thing' could go NOR come/return.

We cannot see , we do not know from where that is, but we do know that we are on planet earth and that EARTH is only one of the countless number of items floating in the infinite UNIVERSE which is of INFINITE dimension LARGE and SMALL, the latter is commonly overlooked, although it penetrates everything. “Infinity” denotes “beyond our ability of observation”.

There appears to be a few unsubstantiated claims here.

For “Bobmax”: I agree that INFINITY is not a tangible item but it is our label for dimensions that are beyond our reach and comprehension.

But comprehending 'infinity' is a Truly SIMPLE and EASY 'thing' to do, and the Fact that the Universe IS infinite, and eternal, is IRREFUTABLE, and VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to comprehend and understand, as well.

I may stress that “infinitely small” is commonly ignored although it penetrates everything. We are not born from INFINITY but are born from a fertilised human egg, which at birth came to LIFE.

This appears to be a third definition for the word 'LIFE' you have here.

Death occurs when that life departs from its body.

What is 'that life', EXACTLY?

And, to me, if there is a so-called 'infinitely small' 'LIFE' WITHIN, or penetrating, EVERY thing, then, OBVIOUSLY, there is NOT a 'thing' that 'that LIFE' would depart.

If you have attended a dying person you will have observed that LIFE was still present, but some moments later LIFE had departed leaving behind a useless corpse that has to be disposed of before it starts to deteriorate, it falls apart, returns into the earthly dust from which it was made in its mother’s womb.

I thought human bodies were made from male sperm in mother's wombs, and not from 'dust'.

Its LIFE also returned to wherever it came from at its birth, which is the infinitely small aspect of the space of planet EARTH in which we live.

Now we are BACK TO 'its' LIFE. What is this 'thing' that supposedly owns this 'thing' here called 'LIFE'? And, WHY would 'IT' return the the womb of a female human body?

The concept of SPACE is obviously beyond our comprehension both on the large side and on the small side.

But the concept of SPACE is ALREADY KNOWN, and in a way with a comprehended definition that WORKS, PERFECTLY, with EVERY 'thing' else, FORMING a CRYSTAL CLEAR and IRREFUTABLE BIG Picture of EVERY 'thing', and ALL.

Nothingness and infinity are our labels for those extreme phases. I thank you for your best wishes and wish you to widen your mind.


For “iambiguous” : fear-of-death is a natural phenomenon, aggravated by pain.

Is there A 'phenomenon' that is NOT 'natural'?

If yes, then will you name 'it' or list 'them'?

If no, then WHY NOT?

[Age]

We, the human population of planet earth, are free to believe whatever we like. However, religious beliefs have evolved about Gods and we are thus indoctrinated by Bibles and other such Holy stories, all products of human imagination. The fundamental question is: WHAT IS LIFE ?
I am 95, a Civil Engineer, have thus had a long time to reach my own conclusions about LIFE.
My very old body shows more and more signs of being worn-out. I am aware that my life will stop sooner rather than later. It has made me increasingly ask myself where lives go to on death.
Logically, lives will return to wherever they came from at birth. Where do babies-lives come from? Prior to its birth a baby goes through the foetus stage while growing as an alive part of, and in, its mother during the 8 months foetus-stage. At its birth it remains to be seen if its own LIFE will indeed enter, while the attendants keenly await to hear the Babe’s first cry; the signal that LIFE has entered and that a new human has been born. Note that LIFE does not come from the mother but life comes from the INFINITY of SPACE in which we live. Note that infinity includes not only infinitely large, but also infinitely small. It is the small side where everything, matter and non-matter, comes from, and logically returns to. How that happens is essentially beyond our mere human comprehension.
Thus I came to my belief about death, which is: one returns to the infinite dimension of the universe. At the instant of one’s death, TIME and knowledge will become infinite. Thus one will instantly judge everything, including oneself with infinite wisdom, and one will “be” with that forever. Our dimensions, qualifications, comprehension and judgements do not apply in the infinite dimensions of space. It is superfluous to think about a heaven or hell or a GOD when infinite knowledge rules.
I am not scared to die; merely hopeful to have a painless death if needed by controlled medication.
Wishing you all patience and wisdom during your lives.
Best regards, Ferdi Hillen.

I think in the end, we just go back to what we were before we were born.

Who and/or what is this 'we', and WHERE is this, supposed and alleged, 'place' that 'you' ALL were before 'you' were ALL born?

I don't remember experiencing anything before I was born and I see no reason to believe that we'll experience anything after death. We'll just cease to be. And like Epicurus, I think that's not a bad state of affairs because we wouldn't experience any pain or feelings of loss over being deceased. We won't experience anything at all. Most of the suffering we experience regarding death is the dread of it while we're alive.

[Age]

For GARY CHILDRESSS.
It is logical to assume that on our death, our “LIFE” will return to wherever lives come from at births. I believe that all lives and everything, large and small, come from the INFINITE dimensions of our universe. Some RELIGIONS invented the labels of “heaven, hell and purgatory” as our destination, with a God sitting there to judge us.

And, so MANY of 'you' have MISINTERPRETED 'these things' to be in relation to 'you', individually.

I am not aware of any religion’s label for the source of lives,

Have you NOT heard of the 'Spirit' word spoken in religions?

but I believe that all lives come from the space of the universe in which we live.

WHY would you BELIEVE some 'thing' that you ALSO CLAIM is BEYOND your comprehension?

“LIFE” is not a ”thing”. Life is not of our dimensions. I believe that at the instant when LIFE departs from us at death, our earthly awareness instantly becomes INFINITE and we judge ourselves instantly on a “scale”, graduated from good to bad, for eternity.

you may well BELIEVE this to be true, but do you have ANY thing to back up and support this BELIEF of yours?

With our then infinite wise judgement we will know that we do belong there.

WHERE is 'there'?

And of course we will instantly be reunited with our relations and be with all the other departed “souls”, from each of which we will instantly know and appreciate their graded eternal scale.

This is just MORE of the completely and utterly VERY NARROWED and even CLOSED views that some human beings actually HAD back in the days when this was being written.

The concept of time does of course not apply in infinite suroundings.

Of which surroundings 'you' are, literally, IN HERE-NOW.

If there were no “judgement” on death, it would make nonsense of planet earth being populated with good and bad people.

LOL But there are NO 'good' NOR 'bad' people on earth.

There are, however, people who do 'good' AND 'bad' things, through and with human bodies.

Infinity does not produce nonsense!

REALLY?

Just LOOK AT a LOT of what is SAID and CLAIMED in this thread, let alone within this forum, to SEE just HOW MUCH 'nonsense' there ACTUALLY IS, IN this One and ONLY infinite Universe.

[Gary Childress]

and WHERE is this, supposed and alleged, 'place' that 'you' ALL were before 'you' were ALL born?

No place at all. Before we were born we didn't exist and that is "where" I believe we go after death, oblivion. And yes, I know the word "where" is a loaded term. So don't dwell on the use of the word "where". Just dwell on use of the word "oblivion." And if you need further explanation of that, then I can't help you. You'll need to figure some things out regarding what I say on your own based on the limitations of human language and our limited ability to conceptualize things.

[Age]

and WHERE is this, supposed and alleged, 'place' that 'you' ALL were before 'you' were ALL born?

No place at all.

Which does NOT even exist, right?

If yes, then what is being talked ABOUT is, literally, just NONSENSE, and NONSENSICAL, right?

Before we were born we didn't exist and that is "where" I believe we go after death, oblivion.

Here we can SEE the 'ego' at 'its' so-called BEST, or WORST. Depending on how wants to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' here.

This is just ANOTHER human created 'ego', which just LOOKS AT and SEE 'things' in regards to "itself' ONLY.

Also, after the 'death' of 'what', EXACTLY?

And yes, I know the word "where" is a loaded term. So don't dwell on the use of the word "where".

I am NOT so-called 'dwelling' ON ANY thing here.

I just ask these type of questions to PROVE that the 'posters' REALLY did NOT have A CLUE as to what they talked ABOUT, back in the days when these were being written.

Just dwell on use of the word "oblivion."

WHY would I do such a STUPID or ABSURD thing as 'this' here?

And if you need further explanation of that, then I can't help you.

ONCE MORE, IRREFUTABLE PROOF that these 'posters' here REALLY did have absolutely NO CLUE NOR IDEA AT ALL in regards to what they would talk ABOUT and come across as KNOWING their CHOSEN subject.

You'll need to figure some things out regarding what I say on your own based on the limitations of human language and our limited ability to conceptualize things.

LOL I have ALREADY WORKED OUT ALL-OF-THIS.

And, coming here and CLAIMING that 'you' KNOW some 'things', but then TELLING the "other", ' to figure some things out for "themselves" ', BECAUSE 'you' do NOT KNOW what 'you' are talking ABOUT, BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support YOUR CLAIMS, or BECAUSE 'you' are just INCAPABLE of EXPLAINING seems like a Truly IMMATURE thing to do.

[Gary Childress]

and WHERE is this, supposed and alleged, 'place' that 'you' ALL were before 'you' were ALL born?

No place at all.

Which does NOT even exist, right?

If yes, then what is being talked ABOUT is, literally, just NONSENSE, and NONSENSICAL, right?

Before we were born we didn't exist and that is "where" I believe we go after death, oblivion.

Here we can SEE the 'ego' at 'its' so-called BEST, or WORST. Depending on how wants to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' here.

This is just ANOTHER human created 'ego', which just LOOKS AT and SEE 'things' in regards to "itself' ONLY.

Also, after the 'death' of 'what', EXACTLY?

And yes, I know the word "where" is a loaded term. So don't dwell on the use of the word "where".

I am NOT so-called 'dwelling' ON ANY thing here.

I just ask these type of questions to PROVE that the 'posters' REALLY did NOT have A CLUE as to what they talked ABOUT, back in the days when these were being written.

Just dwell on use of the word "oblivion."

WHY would I do such a STUPID or ABSURD thing as 'this' here?

And if you need further explanation of that, then I can't help you.

ONCE MORE, IRREFUTABLE PROOF that these 'posters' here REALLY did have absolutely NO CLUE NOR IDEA AT ALL in regards to what they would talk ABOUT and come across as KNOWING their CHOSEN subject.

You'll need to figure some things out regarding what I say on your own based on the limitations of human language and our limited ability to conceptualize things.

LOL I have ALREADY WORKED OUT ALL-OF-THIS.

And, coming here and CLAIMING that 'you' KNOW some 'things', but then TELLING the "other", ' to figure some things out for "themselves" ', BECAUSE 'you' do NOT KNOW what 'you' are talking ABOUT, BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support YOUR CLAIMS, or BECAUSE 'you' are just INCAPABLE of EXPLAINING seems like a Truly IMMATURE thing to do.

Ok. I was responding to your rather unintelligent post out of generosity. I see that was a mistake. Have a good day.

[bahman]

We, the human population of planet earth, are free to believe whatever we like. However, religious beliefs have evolved about Gods and we are thus indoctrinated by Bibles and other such Holy stories, all products of human imagination. The fundamental question is: WHAT IS LIFE ?
I am 95, a Civil Engineer, have thus had a long time to reach my own conclusions about LIFE.
My very old body shows more and more signs of being worn-out. I am aware that my life will stop sooner rather than later. It has made me increasingly ask myself where lives go to on death.
Logically, lives will return to wherever they came from at birth. Where do babies-lives come from? Prior to its birth a baby goes through the foetus stage while growing as an alive part of, and in, its mother during the 8 months foetus-stage. At its birth it remains to be seen if its own LIFE will indeed enter, while the attendants keenly await to hear the Babe’s first cry; the signal that LIFE has entered and that a new human has been born. Note that LIFE does not come from the mother but life comes from the INFINITY of SPACE in which we live. Note that infinity includes not only infinitely large, but also infinitely small. It is the small side where everything, matter and non-matter, comes from, and logically returns to. How that happens is essentially beyond our mere human comprehension.
Thus I came to my belief about death, which is: one returns to the infinite dimension of the universe. At the instant of one’s death, TIME and knowledge will become infinite. Thus one will instantly judge everything, including oneself with infinite wisdom, and one will “be” with that forever. Our dimensions, qualifications, comprehension and judgements do not apply in the infinite dimensions of space. It is superfluous to think about a heaven or hell or a GOD when infinite knowledge rules.
I am not scared to die; merely hopeful to have a painless death if needed by controlled medication.
Wishing you all patience and wisdom during your lives.
Best regards, Ferdi Hillen.

If by life you mean the state of living on the earth then it is a prison for mind!

[Harbal]

If by life you mean the state of living on the earth then it is a prison for mind!

Do all forms of earthly life have minds?

[bahman]

If by life you mean the state of living on the earth then it is a prison for mind!

Do all forms of earthly life have minds?

I think so. By living I mean, the state of being conscious, being able to affect surroundings, etc.

[Harbal]

Do all forms of earthly life have minds?

I think so. By living I mean, the state of being conscious, being able to affect surroundings, etc.

Ah, I see.