Reincarnation

[Age]

Every human has a breaking point. Slow physical and mental torture until the body dies is going to find that breaking point for any human. It doesn't matter what concepts are floating around in the noggin about who is and who ain't. There are no atheists in foxholes.

Look, there is no God who is going to save your arse.

WHO EVER thought or imagined there was?

And, WHY?

That which is born will die, there is no way to avoid this.

This is NOT EXACTLY True, but for all intents and purposes, and WHERE 'you', human beings, WERE AT, in the days when this was being written, this will suffice, for now.

Life either has to extinct itself completely or continue to suffer it's desire to be.

But Life was NEVER born, and, It has NO extinction.

AND, Life has NO desire to suffer.

Just deal with that.

Quite frankly any so called divine supreme universal intelligence that chooses to create an organism capable of feeling the sensation of Slow physical and mental torture until the body dies.....I would consider to be so psychologically and pathologically abnormal in a very unhealthy way, that it's hardly any wonder why we go on choosing to impose it on ourselves the way we do. When it's obviously nothing more than a complusively insane idea to do so.


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Is this what is REALLY 'obvious', to 'you', "dontaskme"?

[Age]

The natural state is peace of mind independent of external circumstances, although some situations are more challenging than others, until they become effortless, and to be effortless is relaxed. Although the world and sensation may be spinning around you like a top, if you're the still axis then you're at peace, no matter the rotation.

In my opinion: The natural state of mind is during dreamless sleep or death. Real peace of mind is a dead mind. There is absolutely no peace in a consciously aware living sentient feeling organism.

'you' obviously then can NOT RECALL having 'thoughtless' AWARENESS.

However, the question still remains.

What is most important to a person?

I don't understand the question.

[Dontaskme]

You don't know much do you ...

I know what's most important to a person.

However, you cannot even process that sentence in order to make a coherent response other than a declaration of incomprehension.

Then if you know you do not need to ask dont ask me.

[Age]

It has been my own experience that thrashing back and forth between hate and love is the same one energy. That's my theory anyway, I'm not asking anyone to agree with that.

I imagined you were going to say that... and I agree in part. Everything is made up of the same energy. At the same time, that energy can manifest in so many ways. I guess, being human, enables us to experience the same as different.

By the way, I really enjoyed your clear and easy-to-follow response. At this moment it feels like you and I could be sitting under a tree somewhere, having a cosmic conversation.

For me personally, there is no other game to play. I didn't make myself alive, so I have no other option than to play the game of being alive.

So, you're saying that, for you, there's no other game to play associated with being alive, right?

That sounds like (if I may suggest) that's because that's the game you are committed to.

I can hate the experience with just as much passion as I can love the experience.

I get that. I can see and experience that, myself. Isn't that the amazing thing about being alive? From all the sameness, we can create and experience so much difference? It's all like 'colorful paint' that we can create with. It's all like single cells that can turn into so many different things. It's all atoms... all the same... with the capability for vast manifestations. Magnificent! And yes, within the confines of being human, it can feel terribly restricted. But this is how we experience all the sensory stuff humans are capable of, yes?

Flesh and blood... capable of feeling euphoria and capable of being hacked up. The glory of life may be to experience it passionately while we can. For reasons I don't know, my awareness is here in this human body. I've experienced everything from absolute bliss to complete and utter despair. Is it possible to see the beauty in all of it? Personally, I think so. An incredible experience playing out across a blank screen of so much possibility.

There is so much that I (this awareness) can inject into it! There have been many chapters. I practice my craft of creating. Like playing a game over and over, hoping for better odds while using my improved capabilities. Remember how I've previously spoken about living on a beautiful woodland property that I developed? Well, I recently moved! I let it go. Such a wonderfully magical place! Yet, maintaining it (my creation) was becoming a burden. So, I sold it to some ecstatic people (they get to create with it now), and I'm exploring new territory... on lots of levels. It appears that I use the 'sameness', the 'one energy', to continually create with through this human form. What will I create 'here' and 'now'? It's all unknown, but I'm excited to see. I don't imagine there are any limits to it.

Perhaps 'everything' you've considered so far? Might there always be more -- even from/within the human experience -- in an expanding Universe of so many levels and possibilities? Hey, I ask myself these questions too! And there are times I cannot see beyond a particular experience/perspective. It's all temporary and it's always shifting. I think we can ride the flow rather than standing in place and feeling jarred by all of the natural movement going on.

I enjoy reading your positivity and enthusiasm for life Lacewing, thanks for expressing it, sincerely.

For me right now, I'm all burnt out. I'm observing without participating. Just allowing myself to be swept along the universal ocean of being and have no particular preferences as to where the waves want to take me. I'm without any resistance and there is no more effort involved on my part in this life. I'm done trying to control it as I would like it to be, instead I just allow the universe to decide what's best for me, and to accept what will be will be, and what won't be, will not be, and if and when what is meant to be happens or not is not up to me, I just silently wait and see, and then go along with it happily.

Geeeze, I'm turning into a right poetic nerd lately.


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That is just thee True Self squeezing Its way out through and past the individual human self's abused and tormented life.

[Age]

Lacewing, it's lovely to hear about your life as it happening right now. I'm very happy for you and your partner. How wonderful for you both to be involved in the love experience together, hopefully forever sharing everything that life has to offer you. May you always be in bliss and gratitude for what you both are giving and receiving in your relationship, may it contiune to flourish and blossom and nourish you.

Thank you. It is definitely A RIDE! We are very different... we're just focused on what works really well for us.

What do you mean when you continually see, and say, 'works really well' for 'you', or, for 'us'?

Obviously, if one is continually looking for MORE, then focusing on what, supposedly 'works really well' is NOT working 'that well' AT ALL.

It all came together so surprisingly and perfectly (even though very challenging for each of us in some ways), that we both feel there's something 'greater than we can see' behind it. We will allow it to unfold/expand however long, and in whatever way, is best.

When two people are looking for the EXACT SAME thing, that is; another one who is looking to 'couple up' and/or 'to settle down with', then, well to me anyway, that is NOT that surprising AT ALL, and would just NATURALLY come together so-called 'perfectly' anyway. And, if there were/are ANY challenges AT ALL, in ANY ways, then, obviously, that 'coming together' was NOT that 'perfect' AFTER ALL.

I totally get where you are coming from Lace...however, for me personally, I am at present of the mentality that sometimes it's just easier to disembark the dizzy merry-go-round of life's rollercoaster ride. And to say, I'm done, I've had enough now, it was amazing, it was fun, but I'm all blissed out of bliss now, and there's just this longing to belong to the eternal rest that is the grave. Until I rise again. Be reincarnated to see yet another sunrise and a new dawn, and when I get to say, oh no, here we go again!

Wishing you safe and fulfilling travels in whatever way you see fit.

[Age]

I get upset when I'm in pain, of course I do

You asked why he was upset. As you say here, you get upset when you are in pain. He was being crucified. That's painful. There's the answer to your original question. Yes, you also asked about God. But here I was pointing out that it would seem like you understand why he might have been upset.

"jesus" just got 'upset' and said those things, if reported accurately, because "jesus" was NOT being thy True Self.

But I brought up the scenario of the crucifixion because earlier you made it sound like in Christianity you could not doubt, should not doubt. But here we have Jesus, in the central part of Christianity, as the central figure, calling out in doubt and despair. To me that says there is room for doubt in Christianity. And I know this from feet on the ground from interactions with Christians.

But within ANY religion, which does NOT follow thy True Self, there will ALWAYS REMAIN doubt.

If you can't understand what I'm getting at, that's ok. I tried a few times in different phrasings and emphases. I also noticed the post where you seem to hate life and the suffering in it. That, I thought, might help you understand why he was upset. It seems, so far, you can't connect your upsetness with life to his. But, it's ok. I'll move on.

[Age]

You asked why he was upset. As you say here, you get upset when you are in pain. He was being crucified. That's painful. There's the answer to your original question. Yes, you also asked about God. But here I was pointing out that it would seem like you understand why he might have been upset.

Yes, I understand why he would have been upset nailed to a cross and left to die a slow agonising death. I understand that anyone in the same situation would also be upset.

But I brought up the scenario of the crucifixion because earlier you made it sound like in Christianity you could not doubt, should not doubt. But here we have Jesus, in the central part of Christianity, as the central figure, calling out in doubt and despair. To me that says there is room for doubt in Christianity. And I know this from feet on the ground from interactions with Christians.

I stick by the fact that we should not doubt the inevitibility of pain, suffering and death, it's what every living thing has been sentenced to by life.

Wrong, AGAIN.

Jesus calling out to God in despair would be a futile appeal because most normal rational intelligent thinking human beings know there is no such thing as a God who is going to save us from death. That's all I've been saying all along.

When 'you' say 'us', who and/or what are 'you' referring to, EXACTLY?

If you can't understand what I'm getting at, that's ok. I tried a few times in different phrasings and emphases. I also noticed the post where you seem to hate life and the suffering in it. That, I thought, might help you understand why he was upset. It seems, so far, you can't connect your upsetness with life to his. But, it's ok. I'll move on.

Look, I understand why he was upset, no need to keep taking this issue off on a tangent that we end up losing all sight of the actual issue we are supposed to be engaged in.

All I'm saying is there is a difference with the way I suffer in life and the way Jesus suffered on the cross.
Jesus called out to his Father God in despair, whereas I in my suffering just deal with it knowing that it's an inevitible part of being alive, I certainly do not call out to some loving Father God, a figure that someone else made-up and expected other people to believe was real. A figure known as a God who will never leave you, and will always be there for you, never to desert you in your desperate hour of need.

I personally would not appeal to such a figure because in my logic, there is no such figure, there's only what someone else has told me about, which is not my belief, nor is it my idea....Therefore, whenever I am suffering and in pain, which is pretty much most of the time, I generally just allow my circumstances whatever they are to unfold as they are meant to, it's not like I can do anything to avoid them if that's what's happening to me, is it?

YES THERE IS.

Are we getting any clearer about this issue yet?

[Age]

It's a known fact that they do. They also call out for their mothers.

You don't know much, do you?

You are losing sight of reality again.

Calling out to your biological relations is one thing, but calling out to something that does not exist except inside ones head as an idea is another.

There's no such figure as a non-biological father called God. . except as a fantasy contrived out of nothing, out of the aching longing to know what can never be known...Ok?

WHY do you PERSIST in talking about and referring to a 'fantasy', which was supposedly contrived out of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL?

And WHY has this alleged and supposed 'fantasy' PERSISTED for SO LONG now?

You don't know much do you, except what you make-up conceptually, using empty sound. Sorry, I do know how hard this must be for you to accept.

COULD what 'you' SAY and CLAIM here "dontaskme" just be what 'you' have made-up conceptually, out of NOTHING, or just 'using empty sound', as some might say?

Is it POSSIBLE that what 'you' SAY and CLAIM here "dontaskme" is what is ACTUALLY Wrong and Incorrect here? Or, is this NOT even a POSSIBILITY in 'your' OWN view and OWN version of things here?

[Age]

And what is 'that' answer?

If you review, you will notice that a new condition has been established. That condition is, in the matter of this request, VT speaks for all. That's just how it worked out.

I have NO idea what you are referring to here, NOR WHY you are DEFLECTING.

I also have NO intention of even wanting to work out what you are going on about here.

If DAM is any indication, any further chit-chat on the topic is wasted words.

WHY can 'you' NOT just say, 'life'?

Are 'you' REALLY NOT EVEN ABLE to answer your OWN question here?

[Harbal]

As no one has managed to refute my claim that the idea of reincarnation is bonkers, I am officially declaring my assertion to be irrefutable, and that's that.

[Iwannaplato]

Ok, I guess that settles the matter then. Does this make any difference to my personal philosophy on reality. No.

Thanks for nothing.

You've already said that NOTHING will change your philosophy. So, you don't have to remind us in specific cases.

[Iwannaplato]

As no one has managed to refute my claim that the idea of reincarnation is bonkers, I am officially declaring my assertion to be irrefutable, and that's that.

Well, with logic like that and £3.30 you can get a Salted Caramel Mocha Grande at Starbucks.

[Harbal]

Well, with logic like that and £3.30 you can get a Salted Caramel Mocha Grande at Starbucks.

No I can't. My sense of taste wouldn't allow it.

[Dontaskme]

You've already said that NOTHING will change your philosophy. So, you don't have to remind us in specific cases.

OK, thanks for reminding me not to remind you to remember to forget nothing.

[Iwannaplato]

OK, thanks for reminding me not to remind you to remember to forget nothing.

No, no. Thank you for reminding me that gurus find it impossible to fess up or concede.
I swear, I can forget this, and while this causes no trouble online, in real life it can be a 'gremlin.'