how do we survive our soul crushing world?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No, I don't believe that sperm or unfertilised eggs need to be considered as people. That, to me, is a blatantly obvious cut off point.

What about zygotes?

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

What's your real motive, Maia?

[Gary Childress]

No, I don't believe that sperm or unfertilised eggs need to be considered as people. That, to me, is a blatantly obvious cut off point.

What about zygotes?

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.

[Maia]

What about zygotes?

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

What's your real motive, Maia?

Other than what I've already stated, quite plainly, you mean?

[Maia]

What about zygotes?

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.

Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.

I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

What's your real motive, Maia?

Other than what I've already stated, quite plainly, you mean?

Give me a break. As if you give a fuck about other people's zygotes.

[Gary Childress]

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.

Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.

I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.

Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

[Gary Childress]

An individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.

Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.

Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.

I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.

Or are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a zygote "murder"?

[Maia]

Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.

Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.

I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.

Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

A zygote.

[Gary Childress]

Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.

I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.

Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

A zygote.

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

[Maia]

Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

A zygote.

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

A zygote.

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

You do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.

[Gary Childress]

A zygote.

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

I'm confused. You say you don't think abortion is "murder" at that stage, which is what I was saying, but you aren't agreeing with what I was saying?

[Maia]

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

You do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.

Killing people is everyone's business.

[Maia]

OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

I'm confused. You say you don't think abortion is "murder" at that stage, which is what I was saying, but you aren't agreeing with what I was saying?

I actually said "treated as murder" which I hope you can appreciate a subtle difference about.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.

The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.

You do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.

Killing people is everyone's business.

Poor frustrated creature. Must be weird to be a virgin at your age.