Survival of the Human Species? Who Cares?

[RCSaunders]

Seriously, what does it matter whether we survive as a species? All species come and go [like all things]. If it happens in 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years, or whenever...who cares?

I do and I tell you why; because otherwise, everything I am and do is pointless.

Sounds about right, if you have no purpose of your own and can only find purpose in or provided by others.

For those whose lives are worth living, their own life is the purpose of their existence, not something outside their life.

[RCSaunders]

How I live my personal life has nothing to do with how I view the survival of our species. When it's time for homo sapiens to say good-bye, so be it. What makes us different than any of the other thousands of species that have done the same? As a matter of fact, there are many species that disappear every day. Do you care about them? ...

...and that your "so-what if humans go extinct" attitude may be a misguided result of, again, your materialistic outlook on life.

Malarkey!

If you want to save mankind, whose stopping you. All this nonsense about saving the future of humanity is nothing but a cover for those who want to control mankind, to rule it and make it something they want. You don't want to save mankind, you want to force others to do what think would save it.

H.L. Mencken was right:

The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.

[Vitruvius]

Seriously, what does it matter whether we survive as a species? All species come and go [like all things]. If it happens in 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years, or whenever...who cares?

I do and I tell you why; because otherwise, everything I am and do is pointless.

Sounds about right, if you have no purpose of your own and can only find purpose in or provided by others. For those whose lives are worth living, their own life is the purpose of their existence, not something outside their life.

If you are to be believed, you fell from the sky fully formed, onto a desert island, where you eat your own shit for sustenance. In reality, you have always depended on others, and that's where the politics comes in. Simply ignoring that is free riding - not rugged individualism, but a psychopathic disregard of your obligations toward others.

Belonging to something greater than ones-self is normal and good. I can't find that in religion, but I can find it in belonging to a species with a future. If the species has no future, I am diminished. An extension of my very being is stripped from me. Rationally, it's my genetic, intellectual and economic legacy - but psychologically, it's the meaningfulness of my purposes - whatever they may be.

[Belinda]

Who cares about survival of the human species are men who have decided they want to stay alive whether or not they are consciously aware of that decision.

[seeds]

How I live my personal life has nothing to do with how I view the survival of our species. When it's time for homo sapiens to say good-bye, so be it. What makes us different than any of the other thousands of species that have done the same? As a matter of fact, there are many species that disappear every day. Do you care about them? ...

...and that your "so-what if humans go extinct" attitude may be a misguided result of, again, your materialistic outlook on life.

Malarkey!

If you want to save mankind, whose stopping you. All this nonsense about saving the future of humanity is nothing but a cover for those who want to control mankind, to rule it and make it something they want. You don't want to save mankind, you want to force others to do what think would save it.

H.L. Mencken was right:

The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.

Come on now, R.C., you're an intelligent guy who has been doing this posting thing for a long time, so why in the world would you post a reply that makes it look like simplicity said things that I said, or that I said things that you said?

Look, I get it that the three of us can recognize our own words and decipher your confusing amalgam of our statements.

However, if you are going to quote people and then criticize their ideas, then for the sake of the hapless reader who might come along, can you at least make an effort to correctly attribute the quote to whomever it is you are quoting?

(P.S., I'm still not sure if you are directing the "Malarkey" retort at me, or simplicity, or both of us?)
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[seeds]

You implied the mammalian line happened to appear wholesale uniquely or dropped from nowhere?

No. What I was implying is that when it comes to the "ultimate purpose" of the universe,...

(which is to awaken into existence, new living beings [new minds/souls] who are capable of surviving physical death and living eternally with a forever evolving and fruitful purpose)

...that it doesn't matter what the physical body looks like.

No, what matters is the awakening of the mind (or, more specifically, the mind's "agent") to a necessary level of consciousness that will allow it to achieve the above stated goal.

Indeed, I have often pointed out that our physical bodies are nothing more than the metaphorical equivalent of a "placental-like" structure that will be discarded after our second and final birth into a higher context of reality where our ultimate and eternal form will finally be revealed to us.

• 1. The placenta from our first birth...
  
  

• 2. The "placenta" from our second birth...
  
  

And what that ultimately means is that humans are not unique in any "spiritual or religious" sense.

And that's because any being on any other planet throughout the entire universe...

(regardless of their physical appearance)

...are eligible for the partaking in the "ultimate purpose" of the universe (as long as they have reached the necessary level of consciousness).



The bottom line is that the fearsome event that we call "death" is nothing more than a final "contraction and push" that will deliver our souls into "true reality."

Again I ask,...

...how much more "NATURAL" and "ORGANIC" can the truth of reality be?

We are the "ultimate embryos" (the ultimate "seeds") of the ultimate lifeform.
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[RCSaunders]

Malarkey!

If you want to save mankind, whose stopping you. All this nonsense about saving the future of humanity is nothing but a cover for those who want to control mankind, to rule it and make it something they want. You don't want to save mankind, you want to force others to do what you think would save it.

H.L. Mencken was right:

Come on now, R.C., you're an intelligent guy who has been doing this posting thing for a long time, so why in the world would you post a reply that makes it look like simplicity said things that I said, or that I said things that you said?

Look, I get it that the three of us can recognize our own words and decipher your confusing amalgam of our statements.

However, if you are going to quote people and then criticize their ideas, then for the sake of the hapless reader who might come along, can you at least make an effort to correctly attribute the quote to whomever it is you are quoting?

(P.S., I'm still not sure if you are directing the "Malarkey" retort at me, or simplicity, or both of us?)

I made no attribution, just copied what was posted. Frankly it was confusing to me too.

So, to whoever is advocating the salvation of mankind, I say, "Malarkey!" together with rest of my comment.

[RCSaunders]

Belonging to something greater than ones-self is normal and good.

Good to whom for what?

That is the doctrine instilled into the minds of every compliant slave and soldier.

"Your life doesn't matter. The purpose of your life is to serve your master, the Führer, the state, the society, God, or anything else some leader decides you must sacrifice your life to."

No one who believes that tripe can possibly be of any value or benevolent to anyone else.

[seeds]

Malarkey!

If you want to save mankind, whose stopping you. All this nonsense about saving the future of humanity is nothing but a cover for those who want to control mankind, to rule it and make it something they want. You don't want to save mankind, you want to force others to do what you think would save it.

H.L. Mencken was right:

I made no attribution, just copied what was posted. Frankly it was confusing to me too.

So, to whoever is advocating the salvation of mankind, I say, "Malarkey!" together with rest of my comment.

Good grief! You did it again! You have me as being the source of something that you said.

Just in case you need this more clearly pointed out to you, when you respond with a reply that contains a text box that starts with...

"seeds wrote:"

...which is then followed with a paragraph that seeds most certainly did NOT write, but with something that YOU wrote, then we have a problem.

Are you having a stroke?
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[RCSaunders]

I have no idea why you have your panties in a ward. I just quoted the post. (You know, you click the quote marks to respond.) If it came out wrong, complain to the management.

In whatever way you think you are being, (what? insulted? falsely accused? maligned?), it was unintentional, and if I knew what it was I would correct it. Take a deep breath and let me know if you want me to do more. I'll be glad to.

[Vitruvius]

Belonging to something greater than ones-self is normal and good.

Good to whom for what?

That is the doctrine instilled into the minds of every compliant slave and soldier.

"Your life doesn't matter. The purpose of your life is to serve your master, the Führer, the state, the society, God, or anything else some leader decides you must sacrifice your life to."

No one who believes that tripe can possibly be of any value or benevolent to anyone else.

Well let's start with slavery. The slave trade existed all around the world since the dawn of time, and was only ended because western civilisation developed capitalist economics, allowing for personal and political freedom. The freedom you imagine you have does not exist in nature, or in civilisation until capitalism came along; and you take that idea of freedom to extremes because you resent paying tax.

The wealth you are so desperate to protect from the needy masses depends on the existence of government. Money does not exist in nature; it depends upon the social assumption that pieces of paper have value; value guaranteed by government. So ultimately, both your freedom and wealth depend upon the existence of society and government.

Most people don't take this idea of freedom to extremes; they wish to belong, and while, as you suggest, this can be misused by illegitimate authorities - the overwhelming good should be apparent to you unless you are consistent with your professed ideals, and walked naked into the woods, and built yourself the internet from twigs and moss!

[simplicity]

When you wrote 'who cares' that imply you don't give a damn about the survival of the human species.

It's just a matter of time...unless you believe we will be around forever.

Morally, ALL humans are programmed to focus on the survival of the human species, but to do so, humans has to take into consideration of the survival of other species that is critical to its own survival.

I believe we are focused on our personal survival. Where do you see evidence throughout human history that people give a rat's ass about others?

[simplicity]

Well, I suggest that you "step-back" even further from what seems to be a purely materialistic outlook on life and try to be open to at least the "possibility" that there may be a "higher intelligence" behind the creation of the universe, and that the human consciousness (mind/soul) may have a greater purpose that will play-out in a higher (transcendent) context of reality.

I don't discount anything, but what does that have to do with what we know?

[simplicity]

That's precisely it though. We have control over the "when it's time to say goodbye".

Tell that to all the folks over the millennia who have been struck down by all sorts of natural causes [ice ages, other weather events, meteors, viruses and other predators] not to mention our species predilection to exterminate ourselves.

I bet that Vegas would consider our long-term survival a serious long-shot.

[Veritas Aequitas]

When you wrote 'who cares' that imply you don't give a damn about the survival of the human species.

It's just a matter of time...unless you believe we will be around forever.

Matter of time? If you are so pessimistic why don't you commit suicide in view of your certainty that it is a matter of time.

Even minutes of survival is critical [note how many humans and animals had struggled to live until their last breath in cases of premature death], else the majority of humans would have committed mass suicide to extinction by now.

Optimistically, based on current projections, in-general [discounting exceptions] humanity have at least hundreds of years with time to save the planet or migrate to another planet, thus survival is still a critical issue.

Morally, ALL humans are programmed to focus on the survival of the human species, but to do so, humans has to take into consideration of the survival of other species that is critical to its own survival.

I believe we are focused on our personal survival. Where do you see evidence throughout human history that people give a rat's ass about others?

Surely you was not born only yesterday?
Your ignorance of the relevant knowledge about human nature is very obvious.

If you are familiar with the history of mankind, there are no many examples of humans being compassion and empathic to others. How can you be so ignorant of these acts to ask the above question.
It is unfortunate you are into Zen Buddhism [a fringe sect], but one of the core moral principles of Buddhism-proper is 'Compassion' to all sentient beings.

Compassion and empathy are inherent potentials 'programmed' in ALL humans as embedded in the human DNA and brain. But these potentials are not very active [perhaps even dormant] in the majority of people at present.

Neuroscientists such as Marco Iacoboni (UCLA) have argued that mirror neuron systems in the human brain help us understand the actions and intentions of other people. In a study published in March 2005 Iacoboni and his colleagues reported that mirror neurons could discern whether another person who was picking up a cup of tea planned to drink from it or clear it from the table.[16] In addition, Iacoboni has argued that mirror neurons are the neural basis of the human capacity for emotions such as empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

So it is only natural that humans have been expressing various degrees of empathy & compassion [thus kindness, co-operation, aid, assistance, care, etc.] to other humans since humans first emerged [at least within the same tribe and kins].

Mirrors neurons are also present in lesser numbers in the higher primates where actions of inklings of empathy has been demonstrated.

Buddhism in general has been promoting and inculcating the unfolding of this potential in humanity [albeit slow in progress till the present].
So our present task is to research and find ways to expedite and activate the unfoldment of the inherent empathy and compassion potentials within ALL humans from now onward.