Solving Climate Change.

[Ansiktsburk]

EVERY one of them.

And, what are you ASSUMING this time?

Well, you ASSUME a mouthful, don't you...

Name just one thing that I have, supposedly, ASSUMED here.

And then we can start.

That one can reduce some humans to be greedy and selfish, and others not. And that greediness and selfishness causes climate shit. I very selfishly refuse to have more children, no dogs, no cats, and I selfishly avoid all travelling for the family since I am a somewhere guy. Most climate freaks around me, and since I nowadays live in a part of town jammed with academics there are loads of them, all seems to love travelling... and travel.

[Age]

Well, you ASSUME a mouthful, don't you...

Name just one thing that I have, supposedly, ASSUMED here.

And then we can start.

That one can reduce some humans to be greedy and selfish, and others not.

Name the ones that I have, allegedly, said "were greedy and selfish" from the ones that "were not greedy and selfish".

ONLY WHEN you do that, then we can LOOK AT and discover if 'it' is 'an assumption' or 'a fact'.

And that greediness and selfishness causes climate shit.

WHY did you use the, completely unnecessary and DETRACTING word "shit" here?

I very selfishly refuse to have more children, no dogs, no cats, and I selfishly avoid all travelling for the family since I am a somewhere guy.

If that is what you want to do, then so be it. But NONE of that has ANY thing to do with what I have been saying and talking about.

Most climate freaks around me, and since I nowadays live in a part of town jammed with academics there are loads of them, all seems to love travelling... and travel.

This is SO FAR OFF, from what I have been saying and talking about, I wonder WHY you would even think like this. Let alone say such things out loud, for all to look at and see?

[Ansiktsburk]

Why should one even listen to you when you do not want(or rather, dare) to define those greedy and selfish adults. You're just shitting words. Hope the ones not leftist posh activists reading this thread see that.

[Age]

Why should one even listen to you when you do not want(or rather, dare) to define those greedy and selfish adults.

What are you on about now?

YOU were the one who made the claim that I "reduce some humans to be greedy and selfish, and others not". And when I asked you to; ' Name the ones that I have, allegedly, said "were greedy and selfish" from the ones that "were not greedy and selfish" ', you then VERY QUICKLY DEFLECT and say a most absurd and ridiculous thing as you did above.

If you can NOT answer a VERY SIMPLE clarifying question in regard to YOUR CLAIM, then so be it, but 'trying to' shift responsibility on to "another" is absurd, in the extreme.

You say here that I do not want to define those greedy and selfish adults, BUT in your previous response you made the claim that I do actually reduce some humans to be greedy and selfish, and others not. So, which one is it? Did I define those greedy and selfish adults from those who are not, or did I not do this and define "them"?

You can NOT have it both ways.

You're just shitting words.

If you say and BELIEVE so.

What has ACTUALLY been SAID and PROVEN, is here for ANY one to LOOK AT and SEE.

Hope the ones not leftist posh activists reading this thread see that.

See 'what', exactly?

Are you aware that "shitting words" is NOT an ACTUAL real thing?

What can be seen here is just how many Wrong and False claims you keep continually make.

[Ansiktsburk]

Coward.

[Vitruvius]

Since 2005, I've been fighting against the likely prospect of human extinction. I'm done. No act, nor lack of act on my part will cause or prevent your certain doom! If they knew all along there was limitless clean energy, and are doing this anyway, y'all got problems I can't help you with. It's above my paygrade - it's not my responsibility, I'm done. Thanks to everyone here, and all the other forums I've frequented. I'm not a philosopher anymore. I'm free.

You were never a philosopher. You were just absorbed in a cometh-the-hour-cometh-the-man fantasy where your own special powers of vision and rhetoric would make you the saviour of mankind, 21st century Churchill. It was never about the magma thing, it was about the hero thing.

Since 2005, I've been fighting against the likely prospect of human extinction. I'm done. No act, nor lack of act on my part will cause or prevent your certain doom! If they knew all along there was limitless clean energy, and are doing this anyway, y'all got problems I can't help you with. It's above my paygrade - it's not my responsibility, I'm done. Thanks to everyone here, and all the other forums I've frequented. I'm not a philosopher anymore. I'm free.

You were never a philosopher. You were just absorbed in a cometh-the-hour-cometh-the-man fantasy where your own special powers of vision and rhetoric would make you the saviour of mankind, 21st century Churchill. It was never about the magma thing, it was about the hero thing.

I should not have looked, but I needed the link to the magma energy project so I could email it to my MP, and Alok Sharma, and Carla and Adrian, the new co-leaders of the Green Party, among others. I should have washed my hands and walked away thinking it's not my problem because they knew all along there was limitless clean energy available from magma, like they knew about climate change - when they started fracking!

But I looked, and I read this - and went to bed chewing on it; and in the morning - this morning, I woke with understanding as clear as day, explaining this apparent insanity. They are actively pursuing the prophecy of Armageddon as described in Revelations; while simultaneously building windmills and solar panels as if to claim their prints are not on the murder weapon.

I am most disappointed in myself; that I did not realise right away - that I had judged others by my own standards of reason. But then when I consider my conversation with Immanuel Can, where he steadfastly refused to accept he's addressing the wrong question, I should have known immediately, we are not all playing with the same deck!

The hero I've always pointed to is a scientific understanding of reality. I've only ever considered myself a sign post - pointing the way to the bridge to the future. The way is a scientific understanding of reality; that which was divorced from science as a tool by the arrest and trial of Galileo, by an institution that demanded faith with terror - burning people alive for heresy right through to 1792.

Even as we used the tools; philosophy, literature, art, and latterly, film and TV - pumped out anti-science, pro religious propaganda - starting with Descartes Meditations, through to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, spawning a pseudo religious post modern disregard for objective reality, truth, human nature, reason and science, via a million more mad scientists defeated by the God loving flag waving hero. And you think I want to step into that hero role? My only purpose is to point out the cosmic irony that you worship an old book about Creation, while misusing valid knowledge of reality to befoul the Creation itself.

[Ansiktsburk]

Have just read the end and the beginning of this thread and worded with age, have two(three) questions :
1. Is this magma thing basically about drilling down, sending down water and heating it?
2. Have the discussion here been like flower powers wanting to change lifestyles VS technos coming up with contraptions, nuclear power and the like? And some saying that there is no climate problem at all?

[Vitruvius]

Have just read the end and the beginning of this thread and worded with age, have two(three) questions :
1. Is this magma thing basically about drilling down, sending down water and heating it?
2. Have the discussion here been like flower powers wanting to change lifestyles VS technos coming up with contraptions, nuclear power and the like? And some saying that there is no climate problem at all?

1. Status of the Magma Energy Project
NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS)
Dunn, J. C.
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.

https://www.science.gov/topicpages/m/ma ... gy+project

2. I characterized my discussions here as trying to force feed a viscous dog; and I was ... this close to being free of it!

p.s. A quad is a quadrillion BTU. Global energy demand is approx 500 quad.

[Belinda]

Have just read the end and the beginning of this thread and worded with age, have two(three) questions :
1. Is this magma thing basically about drilling down, sending down water and heating it?
2. Have the discussion here been like flower powers wanting to change lifestyles VS technos coming up with contraptions, nuclear power and the like? And some saying that there is no climate problem at all?

1. Status of the Magma Energy Project
NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS)
Dunn, J. C.
The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept. Several concepts for drilling, energy extraction, and materials survivability were successfully demonstrated in Kilauea Iki lava lake, Hawaii. The present program is addressing the engineering design problems associated with accessing magma bodies and extracting thermal energy for power generation. The normal stages for development of a geothermal resource are being investigated: exploration, drilling and completions, production, and surface power plant design. Current status of the engineering program and future plans are described.

https://www.science.gov/topicpages/m/ma ... gy+project

2. I characterized my discussions here as trying to force feed a viscous dog; and I was ... this close to being free of it!

p.s. A quad is a quadrillion BTU. Global energy demand is approx 500 quad.

I don't think you should give up posting about it, unless you find a more fertile ground to plant your case for magma (geothermal) energy. Is there a political party that actively supports your case? The Greens? Or is there a political party that actively is against Big Oil?

It is counter productive to be hostile to conservationists. Few conservationists are Captain Swing.

[FlashDangerpants]

But I looked, and I read this - and went to bed chewing on it; and in the morning - this morning, I woke with understanding as clear as day, explaining this apparent insanity. They are actively pursuing the prophecy of Armageddon as described in Revelations; while simultaneously building windmills and solar panels as if to claim their prints are not on the murder weapon.

Re-read those words. Is there nothing in them that strikes you as wildly irrational?

I am most disappointed in myself; that I did not realise right away - that I had judged others by my own standards of reason. But then when I consider my conversation with Immanuel Can, where he steadfastly refused to accept he's addressing the wrong question, I should have known immediately, we are not all playing with the same deck!

And those too. Do you have any sense that this talk of judging others by your own standards of reason kinda reads a little bit like narcissism?

The hero I've always pointed to is a scientific understanding of reality. I've only ever considered myself a sign post - pointing the way to the bridge to the future. The way is a scientific understanding of reality; that which was divorced from science as a tool by the arrest and trial of Galileo, by an institution that demanded faith with terror - burning people alive for heresy right through to 1792.

And here you project clearly false humility by being "merely" the vessel through which the wisdom of the future is brought to us mere moderns (well actually that's how Age describes it when he does the same thing).

Even as we used the tools; philosophy, literature, art, and latterly, film and TV - pumped out anti-science, pro religious propaganda - starting with Descartes Meditations, through to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, spawning a pseudo religious post modern disregard for objective reality, truth, human nature, reason and science, via a million more mad scientists defeated by the God loving flag waving hero. And you think I want to step into that hero role? My only purpose is to point out the cosmic irony that you worship an old book about Creation, while misusing valid knowledge of reality to befoul the Creation itself.

Yes, you have a very deep and very problematic need to feel like the special one who brings the insight. Each forum you visit always ends the same way right? You don't get the respect you think you deserve, so after some angry exchanges you just hoist yourself onto your cross and look down upon the piggish masses who fail to get you because of something to do with Armageddon.

[Age]

And here you project clearly false humility by being "merely" the vessel through which the wisdom of the future is brought to us mere moderns (well actually that's how Age describes it when he does the same thing).

I have NEVER described 'it' that way.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVEN throughout this forum.

[Vitruvius]

Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:58 am
But I looked, and I read this - and went to bed chewing on it; and in the morning - this morning, I woke with understanding as clear as day, explaining this apparent insanity. They are actively pursuing the prophecy of Armageddon as described in Revelations; while simultaneously building windmills and solar panels as if to claim their prints are not on the murder weapon.

Re-read those words. Is there nothing in them that strikes you as wildly irrational?

Magma energy is there, and can be harnessed. I explained earlier, I thought this solution existed in a blind spot because of left wing anti capitalist environmentalism since the 1960's - coupled with climate change denial on the right. I was wrong in that, they have known since the 1980's there's limitless clean energy available from magma; like they knew about climate change, when they started fracking. If you can tell me how to explain that in rational terms, I'm all ears. I'm pointing toward a subconscious influence; a secret desire to nudge God's elbow on the end of days thing! Religious fatalism that excludes belief in a prosperous sustainable future.

[Age]

The human created 'climate change' issue is said to have come from the release of carbon. Carbon is held up within or around magma.

So, until how much carbon will actually be released from magma energy is revealed, then magma is not necessarily a 'clean energy' at all. Also, magma energy is obviously not "limitless".

However, what is actually real base load AND 'clean energy' can be, and will, come to fruition, but this will only eventuate after 'you', adult human beings, change your ways of living, which CREATES 'climate change'.

[Age]

Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:58 am
But I looked, and I read this - and went to bed chewing on it; and in the morning - this morning, I woke with understanding as clear as day, explaining this apparent insanity. They are actively pursuing the prophecy of Armageddon as described in Revelations; while simultaneously building windmills and solar panels as if to claim their prints are not on the murder weapon.

Re-read those words. Is there nothing in them that strikes you as wildly irrational?

Magma energy is there, and can be harnessed.

And HOW MUCH carbon is released during the harness process?

I explained earlier, I thought this solution existed in a blind spot because of left wing anti capitalist environmentalism since the 1960's - coupled with climate change denial on the right. I was wrong in that, they have known since the 1980's there's limitless clean energy available from magma; like they knew about climate change, when they started fracking.

WHY do you keep using the word "limitless"?

Are you under some sort of illusion that there is a "limitless" amount of magma in earth's crust?

If you can tell me how to explain that in rational terms, I'm all ears. I'm pointing toward a subconscious influence; a secret desire to nudge God's elbow on the end of days thing! Religious fatalism that excludes belief in a prosperous sustainable future.

When you come up with a real, actual idea for a truly 'prosperous sustainable future', then you might be listened to. Until then what you are proposing here is just MORE of what is actually causing and creating human made 'climate change'.

[FlashDangerpants]

Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:58 am
But I looked, and I read this - and went to bed chewing on it; and in the morning - this morning, I woke with understanding as clear as day, explaining this apparent insanity. They are actively pursuing the prophecy of Armageddon as described in Revelations; while simultaneously building windmills and solar panels as if to claim their prints are not on the murder weapon.

Re-read those words. Is there nothing in them that strikes you as wildly irrational?

Magma energy is there, and can be harnessed. I explained earlier, I thought this solution existed in a blind spot because of left wing anti capitalist environmentalism since the 1960's - coupled with climate change denial on the right. I was wrong in that, they have known since the 1980's there's limitless clean energy available from magma; like they knew about climate change, when they started fracking. If you can tell me how to explain that in rational terms, I'm all ears. I'm pointing toward a subconscious influence; a secret desire to nudge God's elbow on the end of days thing! Religious fatalism that excludes belief in a prosperous sustainable future.

So ... none of that strikes you as overblown? The Revelations bit that still doesn't really make any sense. The whole thing about what a mistake it is to judge others as if they could match your level of reason. Describing yourself as the "bridge to the future"...