Marriage and Family

[vegetariantaxidermy]

And all 'you' do is post links...

All you seem to do is ignore the data.

That's the way it goes: you assert X, they wanna see the data; you offer the link to the data, they won't open the link; you actually post the data, they ignore it.

Fuck off Henry. You can't see my posts anyway, so what's the point in commenting on them?

[Immanuel Can]

And all 'you' do is post links...

All you seem to do is ignore the data.

I pointed out the holes in your data. You had nothing to say about that.

No, all you did was claim there were "flaws." You didn't identify any. You dismissed statistical studies altogether, claiming they collect things that are not comparable.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

All you seem to do is ignore the data.

I pointed out the holes in your data. You had nothing to say about that.

No, all you did was claim there were "flaws." You didn't identify any. You dismissed statistical studies altogether, claiming they collect things that are not comparable.

I did. It's not my fault you have religioturdvision.

[Dontaskme]

There are many mentally well adjusted, well balanced, stable, happy and financially successful adults participating in the game of life today, that have been raised by just one single solitary parent. Even when there is no other family members available to help. Or little money available. The job of raising a decent human being is possible.
I PERSONALLY am living testimony to that FACT.

Nuff said, you can keep your negative ''single parent'' statistics and shove them right up your arse.

Emotional support systems that are neccesary to help develop a childs early psychology within the first few years does not neccesarily have to come soley from the biological parent. The parents most vital and important role is to secure the child from harm's way. It is Not to interfere with it's way, but to allow it to go it's own way unconditionally, as each child is unique to itself only. A childs basic needs are a comfortable bed, a roof, food and safety, and unconditional emotional support. All of which can be easily given to another, just as one would want that for themself. And so can just as easily be given to the extension of oneself. You do not own your children or owe them anything except to keep them safe and from harms way, until they are able to fend for themself independent of you.

Other Support that is always available, usually comes from outside of the family home in the form of schooling, the friends made at school, medical care and assistance, and also if needed, financial social security systems set up for those people who find themselves in difficult financial situations that just happened to happen to them through no fault of their own. All in all, life takes care of itself, life for sentient humans is intelligent and all necessary steps are provided to care for it's civilians, this just happens to be the case in any normal collective functioning society, especially here in the Western european world..

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[vegetariantaxidermy]

There are many mentally well adjusted, well balanced, stable, happy and financially successful adults participating in the game of life today, that have been raised by just one single solitary parent. Even when there is no other family members available to help. Or little money available. The job of raising a decent human being is possible.
I PERSONALLY am living testimony to that FACT.

Nuff said, you can keep your negative ''single parent'' statistics and shove them right up your arse.

Emotional support systems that are neccesary to help develop a childs early psychology within the first few years does not neccesarily have to come soley from the biological parent. The parents most vital and important role is to secure the child from harm's way. It is Not to interfere with it's way, but to allow it to go it's own way unconditionally, as each child is unique to itself only. A childs basic needs are a comfortable bed, a roof, food and safety, and unconditional emotional support. All of which can be easily given to another, just as one would want that for themself. And so can just as easily be given to the extension of oneself. You do not own your children or owe them anything except to keep them safe and from harms way, until they are able to fend for themself independent of you.

Other Support that is always available, usually comes from outside of the family home in the form of schooling, the friends made at school, medical care and assistance, and also if needed, financial social security systems set up for those people who find themselves in difficult financial situations that just happened to happen to them through no fault of their own. All in all, life takes care of itself, life for sentient humans is intelligent and all necessary steps are provided to care for it's civilians, this just happens to be the case in any normal collective functioning society, especially here in the Western european world..

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Wise words, but falling on deaf ears. Can is a lost cause.

[Walker]

This is likely sacrilege to the woke, is it not?

‘“…We should not love our children too much. At the same time, we must not fail to arrange their food and clothing. We should behave with them as though they are the children of others. if we bestow extra care on them out of selfishness, it will harm them. Getting the way they do, we should not involve ourselves into the trap of their maya-attachment and become partners in their joys and sorrows.’ The approach that Sri Nimbargi Maharaj took was to remain detached while in the midst of life. From the modern western perspective, his approach may seem insensitive, however, there is truth in his stance toward family life in as much as one tries to be fully participatory and yet vigilant towards attachment. Perhaps this is a warning against spoiling children, a point that strikes me deeply at heart!”

http://nisargadatta.net/Navnath_Sampradaya.html

[vegetariantaxidermy]

This is likely sacrilege to the woke, is it not?

‘“…We should not love our children too much. At the same time, we must not fail to arrange their food and clothing. We should behave with them as though they are the children of others. if we bestow extra care on them out of selfishness, it will harm them. Getting the way they do, we should not involve ourselves into the trap of their maya-attachment and become partners in their joys and sorrows.’ The approach that Sri Nimbargi Maharaj took was to remain detached while in the midst of life. From the modern western perspective, his approach may seem insensitive, however, there is truth in his stance toward family life in as much as one tries to be fully participatory and yet vigilant towards attachment. Perhaps this is a warning against spoiling children, a point that strikes me deeply at heart!”

http://nisargadatta.net/Navnath_Sampradaya.html

Not sure why you mention 'woke'. The woke don't give a damn about children, there's no virtue-signalling potential there, unless it's specifically children 'of colour', 'gender dysphoric' children, or some kind of disabilty that they can post on their Facebook page to show what a 'good person' they are...

[Dontaskme]

veg:

Wise words, but falling on deaf ears. Can is a lost cause.

Can is a typical con artist. Anyone who claims they are certain there is an authoritative certainty running through the human sentient organism, will in effect be that tyrant, for there is no other source that can be known. Can is too brainwashed and stupid to figure that out. It took me awhile to figure out what IC was really about, but then I do like to give most people the benefit of my doubts. Can was just one of the many other disappointments that is the experience of sentient living. His claim to know God which is just another word for Aliveness….is basically all Can can know, he can know aliveness, but he can never know anymore than that, knowing more than basic aliveness, is impossible. So to claim what is fundamentally impossible to know and calling it his God is his biggest mistake, he’s just another con full of their own home grown crap.

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[Gary Childress]

veg:

Wise words, but falling on deaf ears. Can is a lost cause.

Can is a typical con artist. Anyone who claims they are certain there is an authoritative certainty running through the human sentient organism, will in effect be that tyrant, for there is no other source that can be known. Can is too brainwashed and stupid to figure that out. It took me awhile to figure out what IC was really about, but then I do like to give most people the benefit of my doubts. Can was just one of the many other disappointments that is the experience of sentient living. His claim to know God which is just another word for Aliveness….is basically all Can can know, he can know aliveness, but he can never know anymore than that, knowing more than basic aliveness, is impossible. So to claim what is fundamentally impossible to know and calling it his God is his biggest mistake, he’s just another con full of their own home grown crap.

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Like all of us, IC is just a human being. He has his faults and beliefs and whatnot like any of us. I'm sure he's not all bad. He probably has his reasons for feeling the way he does. I don't agree with every single thing he says but he's a human being and has made some good points about various things in other responses to me. In the end, we're all doing our best.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

veg:

Wise words, but falling on deaf ears. Can is a lost cause.

Can is a typical con artist. Anyone who claims they are certain there is an authoritative certainty running through the human sentient organism, will in effect be that tyrant, for there is no other source that can be known. Can is too brainwashed and stupid to figure that out. It took me awhile to figure out what IC was really about, but then I do like to give most people the benefit of my doubts. Can was just one of the many other disappointments that is the experience of sentient living. His claim to know God which is just another word for Aliveness….is basically all Can can know, he can know aliveness, but he can never know anymore than that, knowing more than basic aliveness, is impossible. So to claim what is fundamentally impossible to know and calling it his God is his biggest mistake, he’s just another con full of their own home grown crap.

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Like all of us, IC is just a human being. He has his faults and beliefs and whatnot like any of us. I'm sure he's not all bad. He probably has his reasons for feeling the way he does. I don't agree with every single thing he says but he's a human being and has made some good points about various things in other responses to me. In the end, we're all doing our best.

He's clearly not stupid, which makes his garbage posts on anything that concerns women all the more sickening because he knows exactly what he's doing. Either that, or he's one of those people who are just really good at lying to themselves. He oozes unsavoury self-righteousness most of the time but posts the 'very' occasional gem as long as his deeply-ingrained religious brain-washing doesn't come into the equation.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm sure he's not all bad.

Damned with faint praise, then?

He probably has his reasons for feeling the way he does.

Not a "feeling." I advocated nothing based on "how I feel."

I was pointing out the data. It's the data that Veggie doesn't like.

[Gary Childress]

Can is a typical con artist. Anyone who claims they are certain there is an authoritative certainty running through the human sentient organism, will in effect be that tyrant, for there is no other source that can be known. Can is too brainwashed and stupid to figure that out. It took me awhile to figure out what IC was really about, but then I do like to give most people the benefit of my doubts. Can was just one of the many other disappointments that is the experience of sentient living. His claim to know God which is just another word for Aliveness….is basically all Can can know, he can know aliveness, but he can never know anymore than that, knowing more than basic aliveness, is impossible. So to claim what is fundamentally impossible to know and calling it his God is his biggest mistake, he’s just another con full of their own home grown crap.

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Like all of us, IC is just a human being. He has his faults and beliefs and whatnot like any of us. I'm sure he's not all bad. He probably has his reasons for feeling the way he does. I don't agree with every single thing he says but he's a human being and has made some good points about various things in other responses to me. In the end, we're all doing our best.

He's clearly not stupid, which makes his garbage posts on anything that concerns women all the more sickening because he knows exactly what he's doing. Either that, or he's one of those people who are just really good at lying to themselves. He oozes unsavoury self-righteousness most of the time but posts the 'very' occasional gem as long as his deeply-ingrained religious brain-washing doesn't come into the equation.

Yes. IC is very intelligent.

I've tried at times to embrace religion and it just doesn't seem to work for me. I'm convinced that if there is a God then God is either a big jerk-God or else I just deserve the frustration I experience with life. But I remain agnostic and I will probably always be agnostic.

[Immanuel Can]

"We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children. We know the statistics — that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it."

Barack Obama, 2008

[Immanuel Can]

I've tried at times to embrace religion and it just doesn't seem to work for me. I'm convinced that if there is a God then God is either a big jerk-God or else I just deserve the frustration I experience with life. But I remain agnostic and I will probably always be agnostic.

Oddly enough, Gary, I would agree that you should not embrace "religion."

After all, "religion" is synonymous with human beings trying to figure out the Divine on their own. It never works, and only results in mistakes at best, false and dangerous ideologies at worst. And none of us is privileged, in that respect. No man knows more than any other. So it's the blind leading the blind, and that's bound to be frustrating and futile.

If we've got any hope of knowing God, it will only be as God reaches out to us.

[Gary Childress]

I'm sure he's not all bad.

Damned with faint praise, then?

He probably has his reasons for feeling the way he does.

Not a "feeling." I advocated nothing based on "how I feel."

I was pointing out the data. It's the data that Veggie doesn't like.

Sorry, IC. I tend to overstate and understate things a lot-as you've probably noticed. I was addressing DAM's scathing post and since I like both you and DAM I didn't want to invalidate either one of you completely. After all, just about all of us have some bad in us. So my statement is a correct one, you're not all bad any more than anyone else is. I don't think you need to feel slighted by it unless you are all good.