The Exemplary Role Model of Jesus

[Dontaskme]

My point is that there can be many versions or capabilities or potentials for any of us to explore and manifest with ourselves. Saint or Terrorist? Jesus-like or Devil-like? Heaven or Hell? I think it's all in there. So I think it's interesting to see what a person does with their energy and capability. What are the insights and implications of that?

As the purveyors of knowledge we can become fully aware of the how the dynamics of cause and effect play out in our daily lives.

Evolution has evolved this intelligence in the human species. We can use that intelligence to our avantage or squander it carelessly and recklessly, we can watch all our intelligent potential go down the toilet, or we can put it to good use.

Everything is as it is.How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination......real imagination. Only through failure can we plan to be successful. Failing to plan is planning to fail.

So there is nothing wrong or sinful about how we conduct ourselves. We are always a work in progress.

[Immanuel Can]

Save ourselves from what though?

Save ourselves? No, no...that's what we cannot do.

But we try. We try to make ourselves into good people...we try to make our own lives meaningful, significant, happy. We try to be the kind of people we would admire, to make no mistakes and never to fall short of the standard of what we should be. We try to get peace, so we tell ourselves that so long as we do our best, whatever God there is will be pacified, and we're in a good state...or that there's no God, so it won't matter that we've failed to be what we know we really ought to have been...We try not to make ourselves regret being ourselves...

We try all that. And we know we're lying.

What we need to be saved from is all that.

[Dontaskme]

Save ourselves from what though?

Save ourselves? No, no...that's what we cannot do.

But we try. We try to make ourselves into good people...we try to make our own lives meaningful, significant, happy. We try to be the kind of people we would admire, to make no mistakes and never to fall short of the standard of what we should be. We try to get peace, so we tell ourselves that so long as we do our best, whatever God there is will be pacified, and we're in a good state...or that there's no God, so it won't matter that we've failed to be what we know we really ought to have been...We try not to make ourselves regret being ourselves...

We try all that. And we know we're lying.

What we need to be saved from is all that.

Well thanks for all that.

Here is my version. We only save ourselves from the BAD...because the bad is not good, the bad is just down right bad, and every sentient creature knows what is BAD intrinsically...they do not need a text book to inform them of what is BAD.

Lifeforms instantly move away from bad. It's automatic, no thought ( I need to save myself from this situation) is involved. Every animal will instantly move away from bad, they do not need to be instructed to do so from some high and mighty invisible dictator yelling hey quick you really need to save yourself else your going to miss OUT on the GOOD STATE.

Nooo, The movement away from bad is an automatic reactionary response to the BAD stimulation/sensation. It's an endless cat and mouse game for sentient lifeforms. Sentient life spends it's entire duration here on earth avoiding the bad just for the reward of good, which only exists because of the BAD

It's pretty bad here really, the dinosaur ACTIVITY is more than enough proof of the bad truth. They endured bad for millions and millions of years. They must have prayed so hard for that asteroid to come and end their backward and miserable lives. I guess nothing has really changed since their extinction, the earth is still playing out the same old scenario, it's just that the players look different today, today they strut around wearing tuxedo's and ballgowns imagining they're really important and special when they're really really not, because they are in truth quite backward and miserable, pretending they are not because they are in denial of thee actual truth of what it really means to exist as a sentient creature.

And guess what.... we love it. We HUMANS love being rubbed the right way, it's a GOOD feeling.



I always knew I would feel GOOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5TqIdff_DQ

[Age]

Reality is a work in progress.

The word 'progress' refers to 'that' what is NOT 'YET'.

What is seen can never be unseen.

What is done can never be undone.

It's ok to fail, it's ok to die.

You have no choice but to be here, because you are never not here.

Evolution was necessary to arrive at a place of knowledge.

In knowledge you are the creator.

The only heaven and hell are what you create.

As creator Only You are responsible for you.

[Dontaskme]

The word 'progress' refers to 'that' what is NOT 'YET'.

There is nothing known of ''not yet'', there is only known what is in actual realtime progress right now instantly known one with the knowing by the only knowing there is, always here now.

The past and future are always NOW.

''not yets'' belong only in the dream world...the realm of the known.

Right NOW, nothing is known, until it appears to be known in the instant that knowing arises one with the knowing.

In knowing - nothing is known, for that which is known know nothing.

[Age]

The word 'progress' refers to 'that' what is NOT 'YET'.

There is nothing known of ''not yet'', there is only known what is in actual realtime progress right now instantly known one with the knowing by the only knowing there is, always here now.

The past and future are always NOW.

''not yets'' belong only in the dream world...the realm of the known.

Right NOW, nothing is known, until it appears to be known in the instant that knowing arises one with the knowing.

In knowing - nothing is known, for that which is known know nothing.

OMG I NOW SEE what 'you' MEAN. So, NOW I KNOW.

[Dontaskme]

OMG I NOW SEE what 'you' MEAN. So, NOW I KNOW.

Quick write it down so you can keep renewing yourself what you already knew.

[Immanuel Can]

Here is my version. We only save ourselves...

There's the first difference. In the Bible, we can never "save ourselves."

Lifeforms instantly move away from bad. It's automatic, no thought ( I need to save myself from this situation) is involved.

Actually, human beings aren't a bit like that. You can see it empirically. We gravitate to that which serves our own perceived interests, good or bad. Is not, in fact, the whole complaint of the Socialists right now to the effect that people are too "capitalistic," too "selfish," too "unsociable"? Well, if human beings are always drawn to avoid the bad, and capitalism is bad, how did capitalism ever come to exist? Nobody should have been drawn to it in the first place, if you were right.

Likewise, you could look at ever Socialist state there's ever been in the world so far: why did Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Albania, Venezuela...etc. all go bad? They were all aimed at NOT being everything bad...how did they end up there, if human beings automatically move away from bad?

It's just not empirically so. Human beings like certain forms of badness very much. All of our history attests to that fact.

[Dontaskme]

Here is my version. We only save ourselves...

There's the first difference. In the Bible, we can never "save ourselves."

Lifeforms instantly move away from bad. It's automatic, no thought ( I need to save myself from this situation) is involved.

Actually, human beings aren't a bit like that. You can see it empirically. We gravitate to that which serves our own perceived interests, good or bad. Is not, in fact, the whole complaint of the Socialists right now to the effect that people are too "capitalistic," too "selfish," too "unsociable"? Well, if human beings are always drawn to avoid the bad, and capitalism is bad, how did capitalism ever come to exist? Nobody should have been drawn to it in the first place, if you were right.

Likewise, you could look at ever Socialist state there's ever been in the world so far: why did Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Albania, Venezuela...etc. all go bad? They were all aimed at NOT being everything bad...how did they end up there, if human beings automatically move away from bad?

It's just not empirically so. Human beings like certain forms of badness very much. All of our history attests to that fact.

Sorry my bad.

I'm referring to pain, sorry I forget people are not mind readers.

The movement away from bad is an automatic reactionary response to the BAD stimulation/sensation...be it pain or discomfort. It's only when the pain goes away, do we say that's good then.

What country someone is born in cannot be avoided unless they can move away somewhere more suitable. That's the bad shocking realisation about living as a feeling sentient creature, one never gets to choose where they are born. Imagine dying and then waking up as a baby destined to live a life in North Korea.

This planet is pretty much a living hellish shithole for who ever arrives here ... I just think there is no way out of having to lay our eggs in shit, but then nothing has changed since the days of Jesus anyway, when people lived in dirty rags because soap powder had not been invented.

So yeah, you are right, we love living in a shit hole. If we didn't we'd stop breeding and forcing others to endure the bad too, which is also very bad.

It's taken me a long time to realise how bad life actually is. I used to ignore it and pretend it's worth all the pain, but now I think it's time to put an end to all this misery. Although it would probably not be a very popular idea with most folks. The world is the way it is because that's how we like it, so it seems.

[Immanuel Can]

Sorry my bad.

No probs. This business of communicating by typing is fraught with possibilities for misunderstanding. It's good when we straighten any such things out.

It's taken me a long time to realise how bad life actually is. I used to ignore it and pretend it's worth all the pain, but now I think it's time to put an end to all this misery. Although it would probably not be a very popular idea with most folks. The world is the way it is because that's how we like it, so it seems.

I don't know that we "like" it. But we do cause it, very often. It often happens that what we "like" seems to be a good thing, until suddenly, it's not.

Certainly we have tastes for good things, but also willingness to do bad things in the pursuit of what we want. And that makes life nasty for most of the world's population, actually. Most poverty, for instance, is not caused by a lack of money or even a lack of resources; it's caused by political upheavals, mismanagement and even deliberate deprivation, when the resources of a given country are still there, but not accessible to the populace, because they are being hoarded and sold off, or because people are too busy trying to avoid getting killed by the government to farm properly.

Anyway, life is indeed tough...at least for most people.