More federal US executions in 2020 than the last 56 years.

[Skepdick]

yeah, I ain't game-playin' today, skep

do better, or leave me be

You are always playing games, henry. You even laid down the rules of the game.

Anybody who takes a life without good cause can be killed.

Revenge is not a good cause... so revenge killers can be killed.

[henry quirk]

it requires support cuz it's fragile

old aunt tilly is fragile too...she requires all kinds of machinery to keep her blood clean, to empty her bladder, to get proper nutrition into her body...should we deprive her smply cuz she's inconvenient to keep around?

You are going straight for the strawman, Harry.

How do you support an 3 month fetus that hasn't even got lungs?

yeah, not game-playin'

the 12 week old has lungs...they just aren't fully developed

aunt tilly's lungs don't work so well either...that's why she's on a respirator

if lil fetus person is out cuz he can't self-sustain, then aunt tilly goes too

and: we can empty the ICUs lickity-split: most or all of these folks can't self-sustain either

[henry quirk]

yeah, I ain't game-playin' today, skep

do better, or leave me be

You are always playing games, henry. You even laid down the rules of the game.

Anybody who takes a life without good cause can be killed.

Revenge is not a good cause... so revenge killers can be killed.

hey, you see things differently...that's okay

since good and bad and justice and revenge all are meaningless to you, you'll sit, inert, while you're wife is raped, your stuff taken...as you like

[Skepdick]

yeah, not game-playin'

the 12 week old has lungs...they just aren't fully developed

aunt tilly's lungs don't work so well either...that's why she's on a respirator

Respirators work on aunt tilly.
Respirators don't work on 12 week old lungs, Harry.

That seems kinda important...

if lil fetus person is out cuz he can't self-sustain, then aunt tilly goes too

The difference is that aut tilly is medically sustainable.

and: we can empty the ICUs lickity-split: most or all of these folks can't self-sustain either

You sorta missed the medical distinction between sustainable and unsustainable.

We literally do not know how to deliver oxygen into 12 weeks old lungs. Because they aren't developed enough to serve their primary function.

So you were lying when you said their biology is like my biology.

[Skepdick]

hey, you see things differently...that's okay

I see things EXACTLY the way you insist you see them Harry.

You deny legitimacy of a justice system to execute capital punishment.
But you grant legitimacy to direct family to execute capital punishment.

I am simply applying your second rule: capital punisher must suffer the same fate.

since good and bad and justice and revenge all are meaningless to you, you'll sit, inert, while you're wife is raped, your stuff taken...as you like

They aren't meaningless TO ME, henry. Quit straw-manning.

We are humiliating your philosophy here, not mine.

[henry quirk]

Respirators work on aunt tilly.
Respirators don't work on 12 week old lungs, Harry.

with aunt tilly, she may or may not recover and get offa the respiratir

with time, lil fetus person will develop, get born, and breathe

either way: a person is preserved

and: my name is Henry...don't call me harry again


The difference is that aut tilly is medically sustainable.

in the womb, lil fetus person is naturally sustained


You sorta missed the medical distinction between sustainable and unsustainable.[

We literally do not know how to deliver oxygen into 12 weeks old.

sure we do...leave it in the womb


So you were lying when you said their biology is like my biology.

nope...and din't call me a liar again

[Skepdick]

with aunt tilly, she may or may not recover and get offa the respiratir

with time, lil fetus person will develop, get born, and breathe

You are comparing apple with oranges.

Little fetus person has zero chance of survival on a respirator. Because respirators don't work on undeveloped lungs.

The difference is that aut tilly is medically sustainable.

in the womb, lil fetus person is naturally sustained

Ohhhh yea! Lets just overlook the fact that aunt tilly requires general medical assistance that can be provided by ANY competent medical facility, and ANY respirator, ANYWHERE on the planet.

And baby needs THAT PARTICULAR WOMB.

The similarity you've drawn between the two is horseshit...

[henry quirk]

hey, you see things differently...that's okay

I see things EXACTLY the way you insist you see them Harry.

You deny legitimacy of a justice system to execute capital punishment.
But you grant legitimacy to direct family to execute capital punishment.

I am simply applying your second rule: capital punisher must suffer the same fate.

since good and bad and justice and revenge all are meaningless to you, you'll sit, inert, while you're wife is raped, your stuff taken...as you like

They aren't meaningless TO ME, henry. Quit straw-manning.

We are humiliating your philosophy here, not mine.

okay...if the state ought not execute, and family and friends ought not act as proxies for the murdered: how does the murderer get what's comin' to him?

and: climb down offa your horse...you've haven't humiliated me or my notions

[Skepdick]

okay...if the state ought not execute, and family and friends ought not act as proxies for the murdered: how does the murderer get what's comin' to him?

Why does a murderer need to have anything "comin to them" Harry?

What does COVID-19 have comin' to it? It killed hundreds of thousands!

[henry quirk]

with aunt tilly, she may or may not recover and get offa the respiratir

with time, lil fetus person will develop, get born, and breathe

You are comparing apple with oranges.

Little fetus person has zero chance of survival on a respirator. Because respirators don't work on undeveloped lungs.

the point is: lil fetus person doesn't have to be on a respirator cuz he's already sustained in the womb...given time, he'll be self-sustaining

the point is: gimme a better reason to abort than (temporary) lack of sustainability

[Skepdick]

the point is: lil fetus person doesn't have to be on a respirator cuz he's already sustained in the womb...given time, he'll be self-sustaining

So you are admitting that at 12 weeks old a fetus doesn't have "basically the same biology" as a 9 month old...

Gotcha.

[henry quirk]

okay...if the state ought not execute, and family and friends ought not act as proxies for the murdered: how does the murderer get what's comin' to him?

Why does a murderer need to have anything "comin to them" Harry?

What does COVID-19 have comin' to it? It killed hundreds of thousands!

by my reckonin' murder is wrong and muderers need to be held accountable

if you agree: how do we do it?

a virus is not a person any more than a hurricane is a person

both can kill but neither kills by choice or with intent or on purpose

both are indiscriminate, blind forces

me: I hold neither morally liable cuz morality is for people

[henry quirk]

the point is: lil fetus person doesn't have to be on a respirator cuz he's already sustained in the womb...given time, he'll be self-sustaining

So you are admitting that at 12 weeks old a fetus doesn't have "basically the same biology" as a 9 month old...

Gotcha.

no, you don't got me cuz I admitted no such thing

stop it, skep..play right or I'm done

[Walker]

the point is: gimme a better reason to abort than (temporary) lack of sustainability

Most abortions are performed so that the mother's lifestyle is disrupted as little as possible.

Science says that life begins at conception.

The purpose of abortion is to kill that human life that begins at conception.
The purpose of state execution is to kill that human life that begins at conception.
The purpose of euthanasia is to kill that human life that begins at conception.

This is the what. The why of the what is a different topic, as is the how of the what.

In other words, justifications and condemnations of these human killings at each stage of human development is a separate topic from identifying what’s happening, but those three situations are the objective description of what’s being justified.

Dehumanizing any stage of human development is a way of justifying the killing.

Thus, the killing of old people is justified in the name of, death with dignity.
Thus, the killing of adult people by the state justified in the name of, punishment.
Thus, the killing of ‘lil’ fetus people is justified, by calling them inhuman.

[tillingborn]

So what sort of punishment does abortion deserve?

So what sort of punishment does punishing abortion deserve?

Do you think I should answer that?