What is God

[Dontaskme]

This is an essential disagreement.

Here we also disagree.

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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[Dontaskme]

Nick.

Now that we both disagree with each others ideas and thoughts about what is God

Would you like to talk to me about what you think is God?

What is God in your world of thought Nick?

You do not have to reply, I will respect that choice.

[Nick_A]

Nick.

Now that we both disagree with each others ideas and thoughts about what is God

Would you like to talk to me about what you think is God?

What is God in your world of thought Nick?

You do not have to reply, I will respect that choice.

No problem

I've read God described as the ONE introduced by Plotinus. It is the ineffable source beyond the limitations of time and space. God IS. It is the eternal unchanging power in contrast to creation which carries on the moving process of existence within the ISness of the ONE. We can experience and contemplate the results of the ONE as Dunamis

https://iep.utm.edu/plotinus/

a. The One

The ‘concept’ of the One is not, properly speaking, a concept at all, since it is never explicitly defined by Plotinus, yet it is nevertheless the foundation and grandest expression of his philosophy. Plotinus does make it clear that no words can do justice to the power of the One; even the name, ‘the One,’ is inadequate, for naming already implies discursive knowledge, and since discursive knowledge divides or separates its objects in order to make them intelligible, the One cannot be known through the process of discursive reasoning (Ennead VI.9.4). Knowledge of the One is achieved through the experience of its ‘power’ (dunamis) and its nature, which is to provide a ‘foundation’ (arkhe) and location (topos) for all existents (VI.9.6). The ‘power’ of the One is not a power in the sense of physical or even mental action; the power of the One, as Plotinus speaks of it, is to be understood as the only adequate description of the ‘manifestation’ of a supreme principle that, by its very nature, transcends all predication and discursive understanding. This ‘power,’ then, is capable of being experienced, or known, only through contemplation (theoria), or the purely intellectual ‘vision’ of the source of all things. The One transcends all beings, and is not itself a being, precisely because all beings owe their existence and subsistence to their eternal contemplation of the dynamic manifestation(s) of the One. The One can be said to be the ‘source’ of all existents only insofar as every existent naturally and (therefore) imperfectly contemplates the various aspects of the One, as they are extended throughout the cosmos, in the form of either sensible or intelligible objects or existents. The perfect contemplation of the One, however, must not be understood as a return to a primal source; for the One is not, strictly speaking, a source or a cause, but rather the eternally present possibility — or active making-possible — of all existence, of Being (V.2.1). According to Plotinus, the unmediated vision of the ‘generative power’ of the One, to which existents are led by the Intelligence (V.9.2), results in an ecstatic dance of inspiration, not in a satiated torpor; for it is the nature of the One to impart fecundity to existents — that is to say: the One, in its regal, indifferent capacity as undiminishable potentiality of Being, permits both rapt contemplation and ecstatic, creative extension. These twin poles, this ‘stanchion,’ is the manifested framework of existence which the One produces, effortlessly (V.1.6). The One, itself, is best understood as the center about which the ‘stanchion,’ the framework of the cosmos, is erected. This ‘stanchion’ or framework is the result of the contemplative activity of the Intelligence.

[Dontaskme]

Thanks Nick.

So do you believe that this ONE God is everything and nothing? That is how I the DAM character sees the what is God idea.

I'd like to keep this simple through the (k i s s) keep it simple stupid process. And not have to read through reams of articles because to me the devil is in the details, I want to talk about God as if I am 3/4/5 years old. Simply put so that a child can understand it.

[Nick_A]

Thanks Nick.

So do you believe that this ONE God is everything and nothing? That is how I the DAM character sees the what is God idea.

I'd like to keep this simple through the (k i s s) keep it simple stupid process. And not have to read through reams of articles because to me the devil is in the details, I want to talk about God as if I am 3/4/5 years old. Simply put so that a child can understand it.

This is hard to answer meaningfully but God is conscious NOW. NOW is not limited by time and space. NOW IS and beyond the limits of our five senses. NOW must include what we call the everything and nothing comprising creation within it as part of the PROCESS of existence.

So for me both the level of the Father or NOW includes the everything and nothing functioning as the process of creation within it. They are the unity of I AM where I is the source or the ONE and AM is creation. I AM is is a unity

[Dontaskme]

Thanks Nick.

So do you believe that this ONE God is everything and nothing? That is how I the DAM character sees the what is God idea.

I'd like to keep this simple through the (k i s s) keep it simple stupid process. And not have to read through reams of articles because to me the devil is in the details, I want to talk about God as if I am 3/4/5 years old. Simply put so that a child can understand it.

This is hard to answer meaningfully but God is conscious NOW.

How about leaving out the need for meaning and just say the first thing that comes to mind in response to what I've said, and I'll do the same with your comments.
You've replied by saying God is conscious NOW.
I agree Nick.

Now I will put this in a different way. There is just NOW ...this now is totally present and immediate. It doesn't have a name, or a title.

Are you feeling that? do you feel the quiet not-knowing NOW of pure being?

To me, this immediate silent presence is all we can know Nick. You might not agree, but if you understand what I have said here, then we are in agreement at least ok?
How about we let the thought ( silent immediate presence ) sink in before we move on?

NOW is not limited by time and space.

Yes and No

... because time and space are only concepts known NOW ..concepts are dream characters, they are within the dream of separation, in that concepts are dualistic. But the separation is illusory because the ONE can never be any other thing other than itself, ONE CANNOT BE DIVIDED. So even if the one becomes two halves, the two halves are still the same ONE because the ONE is holographic by it's very nature. ONE is everywhere at once, it is infinitely everything and nothing at the same time.

NOW IS and beyond the limits of our five senses.

Hmm, I'm not experiencing that idea Nick.

To me, NOW can only be this immediate direct experiencing of silent presence in which the senses are known directly and immediately by what is also known as the 6th sense. So I'm not sure where this BEYOND is supposed to be...unless you mean it in an invisible sense, like it is the 6th sense, aka the knowing that cannot be known, but is known nonetheless?
to me, there is only here NOW. . . and nothing can ever be beyond what is already always here now.

NOW must include what we call the everything and nothing comprising creation within it as part of the PROCESS of existence.

YES...very good, I totally agree Nick.

So for me both the level of the Father or NOW includes the everything and nothing functioning as the process of creation within it. They are the unity of I AM where I is the source or the ONE and AM is creation. I AM is is a unity

Agreed in part...but the description you've mentioned is only a dream within this immediate unmoving silent presence. The dream story is known via the movement of the mind identified with concepts, such as Father, creation, and unity, these are all concepts within the nonconceptual silent presence...do you feel that? ...or not?


Lets just leave it there for now until we are both sure that what has been discussed so far is understood and clear to both of us..ok?
Then we can move on to bigger picture. .doing it this way we can then see if we are both seeing the same God.

Baby steps..ok?

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[Nick_A]

DAM

Our positions are clear. I believe the Absolute is the primal unity of the elemental three forces or "I." AM is created by the intentional separation of the three forces and the lawful creation of levels of reality which define the devolution of these three forces. God then is simultaneously one and three

You assert that AM is imaginary and nothing exist but the Father. I can build on my idea which explains the purpose of our universe and life within it. or "AM" by the lawful relationship of these three forces Imagination just means we create our own reality and everything goes. For me this is deeply unsatisfying.

[Dontaskme]

DAM

Our positions are clear. I believe the Absolute is the primal unity of the elemental three forces or "I." AM is created by the intentional separation of the three forces and the lawful creation of levels of reality which define the devolution of these three forces. God then is simultaneously one and three

You assert that AM is imaginary and nothing exist but the Father. I can build on my idea which explains the purpose of our universe and life within it. or "AM" by the lawful relationship of these three forces Imagination just means we create our own reality and everything goes. For me this is deeply unsatisfying.

Ok Nick.

You have your version, and I have mine.

There is nothing more we could ever discuss. Bye!