Assumptive Logic

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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:17 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:40 pm
That is the point, any logical assertion is grounding in transitive properties that are by default transitive. Logic is the isomorphism and recurssion of transitive properties.
But what has any of this got to do with you just NOT answering my clarifying question?
I just answered it, your questions are empty.
You responded to my clarifying question, which was; So, do you still say, and insist, "problems exist"? But you did NOT answer the actual question.

Are you able to see the difference between responding to a question and answering the actual question, and tell them apart from each other?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:19 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:48 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 pm

Not really,
In relation to 'what' exactly?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 pmas assuming I am assuming is a constant which manifests itself in a variety of ways.
This is what I just said. You are stuck in a state of unknowing.

Whereas I am NOT.

Good, you know what is going on then and can explain everything...how does one do that?

I just assume void.


But just LOOKING AT 'what IS' and just explaining 'what IS', which is done very easily and very simply by NOT 'just assuming void'.

By the way do you think it would be easier for the readers of your writings and for those to reply to you if you just learned how to correctly quote?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 pmThe above is strictly a transitive proof that logic, math and language are inherently empty.
Empty in relation to 'what' exactly?

What is a 'transitive proof'?

How are you defining the word 'transitive' here?

You know everything, you know the answer to this.
I know the answer to 'what'?

What is 'this'?

If it is how 'you' are defining a word, then if 'you' do not share with any one other than "your own self", then how would 'I' or any one KNOW 'this'?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:22 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:20 pm
surreptitious57 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:01 pm

You have on occasion made reference to the fact that others here do not actually bother to answer many of the questions that you ask of them
I notice that when I have told you just now that I do not have the mental energy to answer all of your questions you decide to ask me six more
Now had I to answer every single question you ever asked me I would never leave the forum but I just dont have that level of energy at my age
I am curious as to what energy 'you', human beings, think is needed to 'think'?

Thoughts happen continuously so what do 'you' mean by 'mental energy'?

Where do 'you' think 'you' get energy from to think?

By the way I do not want 'you' to answer ANY more questions I pose. I just ask them so that "others" can think more about how they, themselves, 'think'.

What is the 'mental' part of 'mental energy'?

By the way ALL of these questions can be very quickly, and very simply and easily answered, which combined with other answers forms a perfect picture of ALL-THERE-IS.

See, the very thing from WHERE ALL-Knowing comes from and is SEEN from gets closed off by the very act of 'thinking', or more specifically thinking/assuming/believing, that the truth is already KNOWN individually.
Thanks for the thought....and the assumption as well as your personal beliefs.
Your welcome. If that is what you believe these are, then that is what they MUST BE, correct?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:17 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm

But what has any of this got to do with you just NOT answering my clarifying question?
I just answered it, your questions are empty.
You responded to my clarifying question, which was; So, do you still say, and insist, "problems exist"? But you did NOT answer the actual question.

Yes I did, with a question...stop deflecting with red herrings and give answer.

Are you able to see the difference between responding to a question and answering the actual question, and tell them apart from each other?

You know the difference, tell us what it is
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:35 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:19 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:48 pm

In relation to 'what' exactly?



This is what I just said. You are stuck in a state of unknowing.

Whereas I am NOT.

Good, you know what is going on then and can explain everything...how does one do that?

I just assume void.


But just LOOKING AT 'what IS' and just explaining 'what IS', which is done very easily and very simply by NOT 'just assuming void'.

By the way do you think it would be easier for the readers of your writings and for those to reply to you if you just learned how to correctly quote?



Empty in relation to 'what' exactly?

What is a 'transitive proof'?

How are you defining the word 'transitive' here?

You know everything, you know the answer to this.
I know the answer to 'what'?

You dont?

What is 'this'?

"This"...what type of question is this?

If it is how 'you' are defining a word, then if 'you' do not share with any one other than "your own self", then how would 'I' or any one KNOW 'this'?

So you dont know everything?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:37 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:22 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:20 pm

I am curious as to what energy 'you', human beings, think is needed to 'think'?

Thoughts happen continuously so what do 'you' mean by 'mental energy'?

Where do 'you' think 'you' get energy from to think?

By the way I do not want 'you' to answer ANY more questions I pose. I just ask them so that "others" can think more about how they, themselves, 'think'.

What is the 'mental' part of 'mental energy'?

By the way ALL of these questions can be very quickly, and very simply and easily answered, which combined with other answers forms a perfect picture of ALL-THERE-IS.

See, the very thing from WHERE ALL-Knowing comes from and is SEEN from gets closed off by the very act of 'thinking', or more specifically thinking/assuming/believing, that the truth is already KNOWN individually.
Thanks for the thought....and the assumption as well as your personal beliefs.
Your welcome. If that is what you believe these are, then that is what they MUST BE, correct?
Are you assuming there is a correct answer?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:17 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm

But what has any of this got to do with you just NOT answering my clarifying question?
I just answered it, your questions are empty.
You responded to my clarifying question, which was; So, do you still say, and insist, "problems exist"? But you did NOT answer the actual question.

Yes, the question is unanswerable due to assumed context...do you know what context is?

Are you able to see the difference between responding to a question and answering the actual question, and tell them apart from each other?

Are you?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:31 am
Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:17 pm
I just answered it, your questions are empty.
You responded to my clarifying question, which was; So, do you still say, and insist, "problems exist"? But you did NOT answer the actual question.

Yes I did, with a question...stop deflecting with red herrings and give answer.

Are you able to see the difference between responding to a question and answering the actual question, and tell them apart from each other?

You know the difference, tell us what it is
One is answering the actual question, while one is NOT answering the actual question. When you can tell the difference, then this might help you in being able to answer my actual questions.
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:04 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:31 am
Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:26 am

You responded to my clarifying question, which was; So, do you still say, and insist, "problems exist"? But you did NOT answer the actual question.

Yes I did, with a question...stop deflecting with red herrings and give answer.

Are you able to see the difference between responding to a question and answering the actual question, and tell them apart from each other?

You know the difference, tell us what it is
One is answering the actual question, while one is NOT answering the actual question. When you can tell the difference, then this might help you in being able to answer my actual questions.
Do you know what the difference is? How do you know that?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pm
Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:04 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:31 am
One is answering the actual question, while one is NOT answering the actual question. When you can tell the difference, then this might help you in being able to answer my actual questions.
Do you know what the difference is?
Yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pmHow do you know that?
By NOT making assumptions, like you do.

See you can NEVER know any thing because you assume EVERY thing.
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:48 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pm
Age wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:04 pm

One is answering the actual question, while one is NOT answering the actual question. When you can tell the difference, then this might help you in being able to answer my actual questions.
Do you know what the difference is?
Yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pmHow do you know that?
By NOT making assumptions, like you do.

See you can NEVER know any thing because you assume EVERY thing.
Is that right, so what do you know?
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:48 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pm

Do you know what the difference is?
Yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:39 pmHow do you know that?
By NOT making assumptions, like you do.

See you can NEVER know any thing because you assume EVERY thing.
Is that right, so what do you know?
you assume every thing.
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:42 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:48 am

Yes.



By NOT making assumptions, like you do.

See you can NEVER know any thing because you assume EVERY thing.
Is that right, so what do you know?
you assume every thing.
(Sipping coffee...)

How do you know that?

Are you sure about that?

How do you know you are sure about that?

What does "being sure" mean?

What is assumption?

Do you know what "everything" is?

Do you know everything?

Can you answer these questions?

Are there answers for these questions?

If there are answers to these questions, do you know them?

If so what is an answer?

And how do you know which one is correct and which one is false?

What is "correct" and what is "false"?

What is "what"?

Is "what" even the right assertion to begin the question with?

Should I ask more questions?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:42 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 pm
Is that right, so what do you know?
you assume every thing.
(Sipping coffee...)

How do you know that?
Because you tell me. Your whole argument, theory, belief, and life revolves around you assuming every thing.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAre you sure about that?
Yes.

Unless of course you have been lying to us, and really you do not assume every thing. But if you have been lying, then your whole argument, theory, belief, assumption, and life falls to bits, naturally.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmHow do you know you are sure about that?
Because you would not be here, in this forum, wasting so much time and energy continually insisting that you assume every thing if you did not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat does "being sure" mean?
Knowing, without any doubt.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is assumption?
Not sure if some thing is true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmDo you know what "everything" is?
Yes
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmDo you know everything?
Obviously no.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmCan you answer these questions?
I do not know yet. Does the word 'these' refer to the previous questions or to the following questions?

If it refers to the previous then yes, but if it refers to the following, if there are any, then I do not know, for sure, yet because I have not seen read further yet. But as of know to me there is an answer to all questions.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAre there answers for these questions?
Which are 'these' questions are you referring to exactly?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIf there are answers to these questions, do you know them?
Yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIf so what is an answer?
A reaction to a question.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAnd how do you know which one is correct and which one is false?
The True, Right, and Correct Answers are the ones that ALL agree with. Whereas, the true, right, and correct answers are the ones that some agree with.

Agreement tells me how I KNOW how correct and how false an answer is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is "correct" and what is "false"?
'correct', is free from error; in accordance with fact or truth.

'false', is not in accordance with truth or fact; incorrect
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is "what"?
In relation to 'what's exactly?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIs "what" even the right assertion to begin the question with?
That would all depend on the one asking the question and if they think or believe if 'what's is the right assertion or not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmShould I ask more questions?
Sure, IF that is what you truly would like to do, then go ahead.

After all, to me, hitherto there is an actual True, Right and Correct answer to each and every question ('you', human beings, make up and ask), in Life.

And, if you are unsure about some thing, then the best (quickest, simplest, and easiest) way I found to gaining answers is to just ask questions, from a Truly OPEN perspective.

It will be noticed, if it has not yet, that ALL my answers will fit together perfectly forming One True Big picture perfect resemblance of Life, or ALL-THERE-IS, Itself.

Knowing the Truth is able to do this, logically, whereas just assuming things, well gets you nowhere really.
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Re: Assumptive Logic

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Age wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:49 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:42 pm

you assume every thing.
(Sipping coffee...)

How do you know that?
Because you tell me. Your whole argument, theory, belief, and life revolves around you assuming every thing.


How do you know your senses are not deceiving you and you are just assuming they are correct?

What is correct?

What are the senses?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAre you sure about that?
Yes.

Unless of course you have been lying to us, and really you do not assume every thing. But if you have been lying, then your whole argument, theory, belief, assumption, and life falls to bits, naturally.

Is assumption really a theory if we assume theories?

How do you know you are sure and not just assuming a yes?

What is assumption?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmHow do you know you are sure about that?
Because you would not be here, in this forum, wasting so much time and energy continually insisting that you assume every thing if you did not.

How do you no assumption is not just an act of definition?

Why are you here if this is a waste of time?

What is the proper use of time?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat does "being sure" mean?
Knowing, without any doubt.

How can one doubt if we assume it?

Is doubt even real?

Can you answer these question.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is assumption?
Not sure if some thing is true.

Is it if we assume true and false?

Is assumption and absence of surety if it is a constant?

What is surety but continuuity, and we continually assume?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmDo you know what "everything" is?
Yes

Then why ask questions?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmDo you know everything?
Obviously no.

Then how can you know what "everything" is?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmCan you answer these questions?
I do not know yet. Does the word 'these' refer to the previous questions or to the following questions?

So are you assuming this?

If it refers to the previous then yes, but if it refers to the following, if there are any, then I do not know, for sure, yet because I have not seen read further yet. But as of know to me there is an answer to all questions.

Why?

If there is an answer to all questions and you continually ask questions...does that mean you must continually get answers?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAre there answers for these questions?
Which are 'these' questions are you referring to exactly?

Are you sure this is the right question?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIf there are answers to these questions, do you know them?
Yes.

So you know the answer to these question, if there are answer to these questions, but do you know the answer of whether or not there are answers to certain questions or is this a question which references itself?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIf so what is an answer?
A reaction to a question.

What is the question is also a reaction it an answer?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmAnd how do you know which one is correct and which one is false?
The True, Right, and Correct Answers are the ones that ALL agree with. Whereas, the true, right, and correct answers are the ones that some agree with.

Agreement tells me how I KNOW how correct and how false an answer is.

And what is agreement?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is "correct" and what is "false"?
'correct', is free from error; in accordance with fact or truth.

'false', is not in accordance with truth or fact; incorrect

And what is error?

What is truth?

What is fact?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmWhat is "what"?
In relation to 'what's exactly?

The question itself...What does "what" mean?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmIs "what" even the right assertion to begin the question with?
That would all depend on the one asking the question and if they think or believe if 'what's is the right assertion or not.

So if they think or believe what is the right assertion or not, then they assume it and all assumptions are right?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:15 pmShould I ask more questions?
Sure, IF that is what you truly would like to do, then go ahead.

And what if I don't?

After all, to me, hitherto there is an actual True, Right and Correct answer to each and every question ('you', human beings, make up and ask), in Life.

So "you human beings" implies a disconnection on your part from others?

And, if you are unsure about some thing, then the best (quickest, simplest, and easiest) way I found to gaining answers is to just ask questions, from a Truly OPEN perspective.

Is it truly open if you bind the problem within a string of words?

It will be noticed, if it has not yet, that ALL my answers will fit together perfectly forming One True Big picture perfect resemblance of Life, or ALL-THERE-IS, Itself.

And so do everyone elses, and not just yours?

Knowing the Truth is able to do this, logically, whereas just assuming things, well gets you nowhere really.

So there is somewhere to go? Are you assuming this?
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