Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.

[Dontaskme]

My natural state of mind is emotional detachment with a desire for contentment rather than happiness
I try not to become involved in the affairs of the world and instead only focus on that which affects me

I've gone one step forward to the point where nothing effects me. Knowing that all thought does is it seeks to trap one into certain belief structures that bind and imprison one to a world of delusion..but upon closer inspection it is known that all this delusion will pass away leaving clarity in it's wake always. And and that's who I am. Nothing is doing anything, yet nothing is left undone.

My sense of detachment comes from the fact that I cannot change very much and also my existence is merely temporary

What you essentially are cannot change, does not change, you are the void in which all phenomena comes and goes, changes without effecting the void in any shape or form.
I've gone one step futher and dissolved into the void out of which I temporally appeared and and returned to. I am now the void which knows no death or life.

Energy may be eternal but the energy that is me will not always exist in this form and when it changes I will cease to be

The I was never born, so nothing to cease to exist. Freedom at Zero-Point.

Zero-Point Energy is formless. It is the source of everything. And everything is inseparable from it's source. There is only SOURCE. You are that.

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[Lacewing]

I've gone one step forward to the point where nothing effects me.

Yet, you said this earlier in the thread:

I actually feel so much frustration that the human mind has to feel as if it owns a psychological self that has to be soothed

Why frustration if there is no one and nothing happening?

it's the sickness that is the human mind unfortunately....

Why are you spreading this “seed of thought that will take on the form and shape of the thought” (as you said)?

this belief is the cause of all human misery and suffering....

Who is suffering? Please explain.

that's why the study into the nature of SELF is a very important journey we all must take if we want to see suffering come to an end once and for all...

But you said “NO ONE IS DOING ANY OF THIS”.

knowledge of thyself is to dispel the common misperception that misery and suffering is personal when it's not.

WHO needs to change? Please explain.

I've gone one step futher and dissolved into the void out of which I temporally appeared and and returned to. I am now the void which knows no death or life.

Illusion.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Ask yourself;
What do you gain with a belief in God and
what do you lose by giving up the idea of a God?

The answer is you get psychological comfort with a belief in God and suffer existential pains and mental discomforts if you give up the idea of God.

One should be able to infer the whole central issue is psychological within oneself.

Nonduality is not about gaining anything, it's a losing game, it's about losing everything, in order to reach the truth that all is not-a-thing, and to know that not-a-thing is everything, and everything is nothing, it's really that simple. And nothing to do with any God or religious belief.

I understand the concept of non-duality.
But in this case you are still after something, which is that "not-a-thing."
My point is, that "non-a-thing" is still something.

As such you may think you are detaching [losing] from everything in one perspective but you do not realize in a subliminal way you are still attach to something, i.e. that 'not-a-thing'.

In your case, it may not be related to God or religion, but you are still after something, i.e. that "not-a-thing."
Note there are serious philosophy from Heidegger, Kant and others on this issue.

The answer is you get psychological comfort with a belief in God and suffer existential pains and mental discomforts if you give up the idea of God.

Try talking to a nondualist about all this and it'll be all water off a ducks back...a nondualist is one who has studied the true nature of SELF.
Try talking that statement to a cat and watch it's reaction. It's total mind stuff, an illusory story signifying absolutely nothing. The human mind if it believes in this shite is indeed in a very poorly state. The mind of a nondualist in contrast doesn't think like that at all, the nondual mind is a mind of pure clarity.

You may say that consciously and deliberately but is your conscious mind [10%] more dominant than your subconscious mind [90%].

I actually feel so much frustration that the human mind has to feel as if it owns a psychological self that has to be soothed, it's the sickness that is the human mind unfortunately....this belief is the cause of all human misery and suffering....even though this assumed believed psychological self simply doesn't exist...and that's why the study into the nature of SELF is a very important journey we all must take if we want to see suffering come to an end once and for all...knowledge of thyself is to dispel the common misperception that misery and suffering is personal when it's not.

Remember this?




The fact is you have a psychological self that deceives you from seeing the truth [as evident in this case].
It is within the same domain that you have a psychological self that need to be soothed. Point is your hidden psychological self may not be as desperate as the Abrahamic believers but it is still there yearning in a lesser degree of desperation and need.

It is usually stated the conscious mind is only 10% while the subconscious mind is 90% in terms of activity of the mind in sustaining one's life.
It seem there is still a lot more you need to know about your internal and subconscious 'selves' [not in a MPD sense] than you are claiming you have known at present.

Thus you cannot be too arrogant from merely having some experiences of non-duality.

[Dontaskme]

I understand the concept of non-duality.
But in this case you are still after something, which is that "not-a-thing."
My point is, that "non-a-thing" is still something.

Not-a-thing is everything.
No big deal.

As such you may think you are detaching [losing] from everything in one perspective but you do not realize in a subliminal way you are still attach to something, i.e. that 'not-a-thing'.

There is no 'you' to attach to something. There is just ''everything'' all inclusive including the idea there is a 'you' attached' to something.
What the heck is everything supposed to attach itself to, if it's just everything anyway?
I don't understand what your obbession is with this illusory sense of I that according to you is needy and attaches itself to something.
There is no such I ..how many more times do you want me to repeat it...there is no separate I

When the false identification drops away, all becomes crystal clear. There are some people that live their lives in a constant state of pure clarity believe it or not, but it's true, it really is, and none of the garbage you keep spewing out is going to make any difference to this clarity of mind. The illusory identified mind once cleansed of the dross never returns to the dross, it lives out the rest of eternity shining. In my case at least, I can't speak for anyone elses nondual experience.

In your case, it may not be related to God or religion, but you are still after something, i.e. that "not-a-thing."

Nope, not in this case, your assumptions are wrong.

Note there are serious philosophy from Heidegger, Kant and others on this issue.

So what, everyone aka ''no one'' has an idea aka ''nothing'' about something.

You may say that consciously and deliberately but is your conscious mind [10%] more dominant than your subconscious mind [90%].

Illusions don't have minds.

I actually feel so much frustration that the human mind has to feel as if it owns a psychological self that has to be soothed, it's the sickness that is the human mind unfortunately....this belief is the cause of all human misery and suffering....even though this assumed believed psychological self simply doesn't exist...and that's why the study into the nature of SELF is a very important journey we all must take if we want to see suffering come to an end once and for all...knowledge of thyself is to dispel the common misperception that misery and suffering is personal when it's not.

Thus you cannot be too arrogant from merely having some experiences of non-duality.

You know nothing about my nondual experiences. It is arrogance to think you do.
And quite frankly, nearly all your replies to me are just the senseless ramblings of a mind flooded with useless thoughts that you actually believe to be true, whereas I don't believe any of the stuff you are showing me, it's just a load of made-up nonsense that other people have told you or you have read it in a book, or you have made it all up out of thin air, it's all totally meaningless and pointless and means nothing to me whatsoever.

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[Dontaskme]

I've gone one step forward to the point where nothing effects me.

Yet, you said this earlier in the thread:

I actually feel so much frustration that the human mind has to feel as if it owns a psychological self that has to be soothed

Why frustration if there is no one and nothing happening?

Frustration arises but that which appears to be frustrated is never frustrated, frustration is in the dream of separation, the separation is not real, and when that is seen through by no one, aka a fictional character, frustration is seen to arise to no one.

it's the sickness that is the human mind unfortunately....

Why are you spreading this “seed of thought that will take on the form and shape of the thought” (as you said)?

You do not have to believe everything you read. What you are reading is fiction arising out of nothing. Believe what you want, or don't believe anything, it's your prerogative...it's your dream your weaving, it's your reality you are creating.

this belief is the cause of all human misery and suffering....

Who is suffering? Please explain.

Suffering arises, but that which appears to suffer never suffered. Suffering is in the dream of separation, the separation is not real, and when that is seen through by no one, aka the fictional character, suffering is seen to arise to no one.

that's why the study into the nature of SELF is a very important journey we all must take if we want to see suffering come to an end once and for all...

But you said “NO ONE IS DOING ANY OF THIS”.

No one is doing anything, nothing is done, yet nothing is left undone. In the dream of separation all sorts of stories and adventures arise, and without the belief in the story, there is no story, no adventure. Life is a dream dreamt by no one, how many more times do you want me to repeat that?

knowledge of thyself is to dispel the common misperception that misery and suffering is personal when it's not.

WHO needs to change? Please explain.

No one, because it's just a fictional story arising nowhere...pretending it's real.

I've gone one step futher and dissolved into the void out of which I temporally appeared and and returned to. I am now the void which knows no death or life.

Illusion.

A real illusion.

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[Dontaskme]

“What is religion?
A cloud in the sky.
I live in the sky, not in the clouds, which are so many words held together.
Remove the verbiage and what remains?
Recorded religions are mere heaps of verbiage.
Religions show their true face in action, in silent action.
To know what man believes, watch how he acts.
For most of the people service of their bodies and their minds is their religion.
They may have religious ideas, but they do not act on them.
They play with them, they are often very fond of them, but they will not act on them.
Christianity is one way of putting words together and Hinduism is another.
The real is, behind and beyond words, incommunicable, directly experienced,
explosive in its effect on the mind.
It is easily had when nothing else is wanted.”

[Dontaskme]

I am neither perceivable nor conceivable. There is nothing I can point out and say, "This I am."

You identify yourself with everything so easily. I find it impossible. The feeling I am not this or that, nor is anything mine, is so strong in me, that as soon as a thing or a thought appears, there comes the sense, ''This I am not''.

[Veritas Aequitas]

There is no 'you' to attach to something. There is just ''everything'' all inclusive including the idea there is a 'you' attached' to something.
What the heck is everything supposed to attach itself to, if it's just everything anyway?
I don't understand what your obbession is with this illusory sense of I that according to you is needy and attaches itself to something.
There is no such I ..how many more times do you want me to repeat it...there is no separate I

When the false identification drops away, all becomes crystal clear. There are some people that live their lives in a constant state of pure clarity believe it or not, but it's true, it really is, and none of the garbage you keep spewing out is going to make any difference to this clarity of mind.

The illusory identified mind once cleansed of the dross never returns to the dross, it lives out the rest of eternity shining. In my case at least, I can't speak for anyone elses nondual experience.

You are deluding yourself and seemingly lost.

In the above you stated 'there is no such I .."
then in the same sentence you stated
"how many more times do you want me to repeat it"

in addition you stated,
I can't speak for anyone elses nondual experience.

You don't seem to realize you are caught in a state of confusion and delusion.

My point is one can have experiences of non-duality but a person cannot be in a state of active non-duality permanently which only happen with serious mental illness, e.g. a schizophrenic.

Assuming you are not schizoprehnic, I stated you are still stuck with an "I" in one sense that is still chasing something. That 'something' is an illusion.

[Dontaskme]

You are deluding yourself and seemingly lost.

That would only pertain to the sense of a separate ''you''...there is no such 'you' ..but if you insist there is, then that is your belief not mine.

In the above you stated 'there is no such I .."
then in the same sentence you stated
"how many more times do you want me to repeat it"

in addition you stated,
I can't speak for anyone elses nondual experience.

You don't seem to realize you are caught in a state of confusion and delusion.

No one is acting deluded or confused, except the imaginary sense of a seaprate I ... the separate I doesn't experience anything, it is the experience.

It's an appearance here nowhere. Nothing is speaking, or everything is speaking.

My point is one can have experiences of non-duality but a person cannot be in a state of active non-duality permanently which only happen with serious mental illness, e.g. a schizophrenic.

There is no one in a nondual state, nonduality is nothing being everything, it is a stateless state.

The mind that appears to have a mental illness is an illusory story appearing nowhere, here now is made up of infinite boundless silent space in which everything is arising and falling...all appearances are illusions.

Assuming you are not schizoprehnic, I stated you are still stuck with an "I" in one sense that is still chasing something. That 'something' is an illusion.

An Illusion cannot chase anything. There is nothing there to be a chaser, so nothing to chase for a non existing chaser.

If you insist on believing I am deluded then be my guest and believe away, will make no difference to the clarity that is here in this one here.
You can call me all the names under the sun but those names and labels will not be believed by this one here.

I'm discussing the true reality which is the Nondual Self.

I am neither perceivable nor conceivable. There is nothing I can point out and say, This I am.

You identify yourself with everything so easily. I find it impossible. The feeling I am not this or that, nor is anything mine, is so strong in me, that as soon as a thing or a thought appears, there comes the sense, 'This I am not.

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If you want to engage in the dicussion of nonduality then proceed and stay on topic, or else get lost.

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[Lacewing]

I'm discussing the true reality which is the Nondual Self.

Actually, you say all kinds of things which are inconsistent, and then you retreat into babble when you're questioned about it.

YOU are not discussing ANYTHING, and there is NO "true reality" nor "self".

There is no one in a nondual state

Why don't you discuss this honestly with Nick? It's all he goes on and on about, and yet you do not challenge him because you try to keep him as an "ally"... like your sock puppets. That's an awful lot of dishonesty for someone who isn't affected by anything and doesn't need anything.

Assuming you are not schizoprehnic, I stated you are still stuck with an "I" in one sense that is still chasing something. That 'something' is an illusion.

If you want to engage in the dicussion of nonduality then proceed and stay on topic, or else get lost.

See, V.A., how bossy she gets? Demanding that you get out of her way. Who does she think needs to "get lost"? What does "getting lost" even mean when there is no one? And what is so important about this topic?

She's a liar. Whether or not there is mental illness associated with it, and whether or not she understands any degree of the things she speaks about, she is full of lies. She'll be on one channel when it appeals to her to speak of BEING someone and doing something, but then she'll change to her babble channel when she wants to escape real discussion or examination into what she is saying/being.

If a person truly wanted to discuss some of the concepts she mindlessly spews, they would not run and hide. And if she doesn't want to discuss such things, why is she even here? For herself. That thing that she claims doesn't exist or matter to her. She can't stop catering to it. Elevating and spinning herself like a top... to be seen but not touched. And it just makes interaction with her a farce of her personal delusion and lies. She has a great deal of need. And she has a lot of stories about herself. Her favorite story is that there is no one to have a story. There does seem to be a mental issue going on, but I prefer to challenge what she says as if she's mentally balanced because it's interesting to see if/when she's able to interact on that level of truth, and she only has a couple of times -- which was exciting to see, but short-lived. There is so much obvious deception and protection, by and for that which she says doesn't exist -- and when it's pointed out that this is seen, she spins faster and faster, as if trying to become a blur.

Her latest trick apparently is to evaporate into "the void". She is untouchable, you see -- and immune to any personal responsibility -- while she spews madness at and within all that she claims is nothing and doesn't exist. Of course, we clearly see her and her creations, as well as how she deceitfully uses her creations. She is like a child covering her eyes and saying "You can't see me".

[Dontaskme]

See, V.A., how bossy she gets? Demanding that you get out of her way. Who does she think needs to "get lost"? What does "getting lost" even mean when there is no one? And what is so important about this topic?

I simply asked people to stay on topic. Nonduality is about clarity of mind. If VA wants to go off topic then VA is the one lost in ones own mind made delusions. I simply told VA to retreat to the world of delusion, where the lost live, in the mind of delusion, I did not tell VA to get out of my way. Anyone can come this way, but you must leave all your verbiage baggage outside.

Please stay on topic, or get lost in delusion, this thread is about the end of delusion.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

You are deluding yourself and seemingly lost.

That would only pertain to the sense of a separate ''you''...there is no such 'you' ..but if you insist there is, then that is your belief not mine.

In the above you stated 'there is no such I .."
then in the same sentence you stated
"how many more times do you want me to repeat it"

in addition you stated,
I can't speak for anyone elses nondual experience.

You don't seem to realize you are caught in a state of confusion and delusion.

No one is acting deluded or confused, except the imaginary sense of a seaprate I ... the separate I doesn't experience anything, it is the experience.

It's an appearance here nowhere. Nothing is speaking, or everything is speaking.

My point is one can have experiences of non-duality but a person cannot be in a state of active non-duality permanently which only happen with serious mental illness, e.g. a schizophrenic.

There is no one in a nondual state, nonduality is nothing being everything, it is a stateless state.

The mind that appears to have a mental illness is an illusory story appearing nowhere, here now is made up of infinite boundless silent space in which everything is arising and falling...all appearances are illusions.

Assuming you are not schizoprehnic, I stated you are still stuck with an "I" in one sense that is still chasing something. That 'something' is an illusion.

An Illusion cannot chase anything. There is nothing there to be a chaser, so nothing to chase for a non existing chaser.

If you insist on believing I am deluded then be my guest and believe away, will make no difference to the clarity that is here in this one here.
You can call me all the names under the sun but those names and labels will not be believed by this one here.

I'm discussing the true reality which is the Nondual Self.

I am neither perceivable nor conceivable. There is nothing I can point out and say, This I am.

You identify yourself with everything so easily. I find it impossible. The feeling I am not this or that, nor is anything mine, is so strong in me, that as soon as a thing or a thought appears, there comes the sense, 'This I am not.

If you want to engage in the dicussion of nonduality then proceed and stay on topic, or else get lost.

It is not up to you to control what I can post as long as it is within the rules of this forum. Seems you are worried you would come across some truths which could be painful?
What I have presented is non-duality in various perspectives where non-duality can be experienced/realized by saints, mystics but also mad people and the mentally ill.

I understand your points but you have not understood [not necessary agree] with my points.

[Veritas Aequitas]

See, V.A., how bossy she gets? Demanding that you get out of her way. Who does she think needs to "get lost"? What does "getting lost" even mean when there is no one? And what is so important about this topic?

She's a liar. Whether or not there is mental illness associated with it, and whether or not she understands any degree of the things she speaks about, she is full of lies. She'll be on one channel when it appeals to her to speak of BEING someone and doing something, but then she'll change to her babble channel when she wants to escape real discussion or examination into what she is saying/being.

If a person truly wanted to discuss some of the concepts she mindlessly spews, they would not run and hide. And if she doesn't want to discuss such things, why is she even here? For herself. That thing that she claims doesn't exist or matter to her. She can't stop catering to it. Elevating and spinning herself like a top... to be seen but not touched. And it just makes interaction with her a farce of her personal delusion and lies. She has a great deal of need. And she has a lot of stories about herself. Her favorite story is that there is no one to have a story. There does seem to be a mental issue going on, but I prefer to challenge what she says as if she's mentally balanced because it's interesting to see if/when she's able to interact on that level of truth, and she only has a couple of times -- which was exciting to see, but short-lived. There is so much obvious deception and protection, by and for that which she says doesn't exist -- and when it's pointed out that this is seen, she spins faster and faster, as if trying to become a blur.

Her latest trick apparently is to evaporate into "the void". She is untouchable, you see -- and immune to any personal responsibility -- while she spews madness at and within all that she claims is nothing and doesn't exist. Of course, we clearly see her and her creations, as well as how she deceitfully uses her creations. She is like a child covering her eyes and saying "You can't see me".

That was why I suggested in good faith to Dontaskme to have a mental check-up just in case that could be something not ordinary.

[Dontaskme]

It is not up to you to control what I can post as long as it is within the rules of this forum. Seems you are worried you would come across some truths which could be painful?

It's my thread, and that gives me control over what is disccused here. Please keep on topic.
If you want to engage in discussion regarding nonduality please feel free to proceed.

What I have presented is non-duality in various perspectives where non-duality can be experienced/realized by saints, mystics but also mad people and the mentally ill.

I understand your points but you have not understood [not necessary agree] with my points.

Okay.

Please continue, but don't make this about people or persons, don't make it about me and what you believe about me or make this subject personal period. I'm not here to discuss people and their mental illnesses or their medical ailments, or physchological needs. Do not project your feelings about what you believe onto me.

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If you insist on projecting the belief that people have physchological needs that drive them to seek God, then know this is illusory, make sure you emphasize by saying (albeit illusory) after each assumption, lets not forget here, there is no separate person or any thing living.

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[Dontaskme]

That was why I suggested in good faith to Dontaskme to have a mental check-up just in case that could be something not ordinary.

You see, you are doing it again, you know damn well, the character is an illusory creation of the brain, and yet you have to play the role of God and jury don't you.

You know absolutely nothing about me. Your assumptions are totally unfounded and based on your own conditioning and belief structure.

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Just because I choose to talk about nonduality does that make me a mental nutcase or a schizophrenic or something? Could you ever believe for one moment that I might even be the most sane woman on earth right now? does that thought ever cross your mind, or do you always like to label what you don't understand ..a person who talk likes this must be a sign of madness?

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