The Dualistic Mind

[Atla]

A split mind with 3 fragments is even worse than a split mind with 2 fragments. But Simone Weil would be proud of you.
And then eventually someone will come along and claim to have discovered the fourth dimension of thought.

[Nick_A]

Consider the meaning of the word "universe." Uni means one and verse stands for diversity. The universe is simultaneously one and the ultimate diversity. Can the dualistic mind understand this? How can ultimate diversity be connected as one? What connects them? Is the dualistic mind sufficient to answer such questions?

[Lacewing]

The universe is simultaneously one and the ultimate diversity. Can the dualistic mind understand this? How can ultimate diversity be connected as one? What connects them? Is the dualistic mind sufficient to answer such questions?

Well, I can simultaneously see that. I think your rants against the "dualistic mind", are actually your own dualistic thinking.

Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself, Nick?

[Nick_A]

The universe is simultaneously one and the ultimate diversity. Can the dualistic mind understand this? How can ultimate diversity be connected as one? What connects them? Is the dualistic mind sufficient to answer such questions?

Well, I can simultaneously see that. I think your rants against the "dualistic mind", are actually your own dualistic thinking.

Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself, Nick?

Why must all that questions the supremacy of the dualistic mind be considered a rant? Why must questioning its superiority be understood as against the dualistic mind?

This is why threads like these are necessary. People who feel the value of intuition made possible by the triune mind do not have to feel so alone and persecuted. They can read that others have understood so even though it is called a rant by the secular dualistic mindset. From previous post:

The dualistic mind is essentially binary, either/or thinking. It knows by comparison, opposition, and differentiation. It uses descriptive words like good/evil, pretty/ugly, smart/stupid, not realizing there may be a hundred degrees between the two ends of each spectrum. Dualistic thinking works well for the sake of simplification and conversation, but not for the sake of truth or the immense subtlety of actual personal experience. Most of us settle for quick and easy answers instead of any deep perception, which we leave to poets, philosophers, and prophets. Yet depth and breadth of perception should be the primary arena for all authentic religion. How else could we possibly search for God?

We do need the dualistic mind to function in practical life, however, and to do our work as a teacher, a nurse, a scientist, or an engineer. It’s helpful and fully necessary as far as it goes, but it just doesn’t go far enough. The dualistic mind cannot process things like infinity, mystery, God, grace, suffering, sexuality, death, or love; this is exactly why most people stumble over these very issues. The dualistic mind pulls everything down into some kind of tit-for-tat system of false choices and too-simple contraries, which is largely what “fast food religion” teaches, usually without even knowing it. Without the contemplative and converted mind—honest and humble perception—much religion is frankly dangerous.

The dualistic mind works well for worldly matters but inadequte for satisfying the need for meaning influenced by the domains of true philosophy and the essence of religion. Regardless of what you think of yourself, your reliance on dualism will never allow you to perceive how the universe is simultaneously unity and diversity. For that you will have to switch gears and move from the binary mind into the triune mind which leads to "understanding.".

[Lacewing]

The universe is simultaneously one and the ultimate diversity. Can the dualistic mind understand this? How can ultimate diversity be connected as one? What connects them? Is the dualistic mind sufficient to answer such questions?

Well, I can simultaneously see that. I think your rants against the "dualistic mind", are actually your own dualistic thinking.

Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself, Nick?

Regardless of what you think of yourself, your reliance on dualism will never allow you to perceive how the universe is simultaneously unity and diversity.

Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I do, and what I can and cannot do? I'm telling you that I understand and see the universe simultaneously as unity and diversity. I operate in both. Your ego must be the size of a bottomless sinkhole for you to be so closed-minded and narrowly-focused on what people are/aren't capable of. These things you say are so stupid. People tell you what they see and think, and you claim they don't! You are an ignorant fuck. Seriously. A lot of people are capable of much more than you can evidently perceive or accept.

Can you answer the following honestly:

1) Is your stance against the "dualistic mind", actually your own dualistic thinking?

2) Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself?

3) Why would the universe be limited to what you think?

[Nick_A]

Lacewing

Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I do, and what I can and cannot do? I'm telling you that I understand and see the universe simultaneously as unity and diversity. I operate in both. Your ego must be the size of a bottomless sinkhole for you to be so closed-minded and narrowly-focused on what people are/aren't capable of. These things you say are so stupid. People tell you what they see and think, and you claim they don't! You are an ignorant fuck. Seriously. A lot of people are capable of much more than you can evidently perceive or accept.

If you appreciated the value of becoming capable of distinguishing between dualistic and triune reason you wouldn't call it a rant or become so hostile to those likle me making the efforts to do so.

Can you answer the following honestly:

1) Is your stance against the "dualistic mind", actually your own dualistic thinking?

I'm not against it. I'm only against the modern belief that it is the best tool for a person seeking the experience of objective human meaning and purpose

2) Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself?

Of ourse. It is very useful in my daily life within Plato's cave.

3) Why would the universe be limited to what you think?

The universe is a living machine. Its mechanics can be understood. If not there would be no science - no appreciation for the workings of universal laws. We are living in a time in which more people are opening to their triune mind in order to experience the interactions of the three elemental forces serving creation. Of course it is hated but still there are those willing to annoy the great beast and its secular dualistic dogmas in order to remember the significance of human being within our great universe.

[Lacewing]

If you appreciated the value of becoming capable of distinguishing between dualistic and triune reason you wouldn't call it a rant or become so hostile to those likle me making the efforts to do so.

What difference does it make what I call it or how I say it? You have been going on and on for years with your foolish arrogance, refusing to see anything else. I can think of all kinds of ways and words to describe such convoluted ideas and claims.

I'm only against the modern belief that it [dualistic thinking] is the best tool for a person seeking the experience of objective human meaning and purpose

If you're against anything... and for anything... isn't that dualistic thinking?

Why don't you see it all as ONE, Nick?

Do you recognize dualistic thinking in yourself?

Of ourse. It is very useful in my daily life within Plato's cave.

But you're unable to see that other people can find it useful to function in the Universe with diversity, as well as recognizing it as One. And this is because you've so convinced yourself that people and things are (and must be) a certain way, yes? You're so sure of it, you cannot accept or fathom that it's different than what you think, right? Doesn't that show how desperate your dualistic mind is in clinging to its own dualistic thinking?

Why would the universe be limited to what you think?

The universe is a living machine. Its mechanics can be understood.

We can think we understand certain elements at any point in time, only to eventually discover more factors we weren't aware of previously. Does it make much sense for anyone to be so locked in to what they think it is and how it works?

You didn't answer the question: Why would the universe be LIMITED to what YOU think, Nick?

Of course it is hated but still there are those willing to annoy the great beast and its secular dualistic dogmas in order to remember the significance of human being within our great universe.

Oh, you just love talking about how such ideas that you are glommed onto are hated... while you're such a righteous visionary who is so bravely willing to annoy the great beast. Such a ridiculous story. The truth is that a lot of people are smarter than you are -- and they don't hate you at all, they just see how you're dishonest and self-absorbed. But you don't like that story -- so you make up another one that you prefer, and constantly talk about it as if it were the ONLY TRUTH in the whole wide world and beyond, right? Like a child telling a big overly-detailed story he imagines for reality, unaware that everyone else sees much more beyond that.

[Atla]

Aand I did it, I now have a quadrune mind!

Sorry, but you measly triune and dual minds can't hold a candle to the quadrune mind. You are all holding humanity back, but still I shall have compassion for you poor, limited creatures.

[Nick_A]

Aand I did it, I now have a quadrune mind!

Sorry, but you measly triune and dual minds can't hold a candle to the quadrune mind. You are all holding humanity back, but still I shall have compassion for you poor, limited creatures.

Maybe so. Please explain how the qyadrune mind pertains to the three gunas of Prakriti or the trinity in Christianity?

[Nick_A]

Lacewing

Oh, you just love talking about how such ideas that you are glommed onto are hated... while you're such a righteous visionary who is so bravely willing to annoy the great beast. Such a ridiculous story. The truth is that a lot of people are smarter than you are -- and they don't hate you at all, they just see how you're dishonest and self-absorbed. But you don't like that story -- so you make up another one that you prefer, and constantly talk about it as if it were the ONLY TRUTH in the whole wide world and beyond, right? Like a child telling a big overly-detailed story he imagines for reality, unaware that everyone else sees much more beyond that.

It isn't a matter of hating me. Ideas are hated. Jesus and Socrates were not hated. The truths they introduced into the world living in self deception were hated as they are now. The dualistic mind is incapable of experiencing these truths but they are sensed which is why they must be hated. The dualistic mind is closed to the depth of Simone's following remark. It will be hated. The ego must reject it.

Religion in so far as it is a source of consolation is a hindrance to true faith; and in this sense atheism is a purification. I have to be an atheist with that part of myself which is not made for God. Among those in whom the supernatural part of themselves has not been awakened, the atheists are right and the believers wrong.
- Simone Weil, Faiths of Meditation; Contemplation of the divine
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 417

Animal dualism is necessary for animal man to survive on earth but the triune mind reconciling duality from a higher conscious perspective reveals objective human value and the path leading to conscious evolution. A person can open to experience their triune mind but dominant egoism denies the attraction to human meaning and our source. It prefers to maintain the battles created by the emotional corruption of the dualistic mind. Under these circumstances the impulse to open to higher intelligence must be violently rejected.

[Atla]

Aand I did it, I now have a quadrune mind!

Sorry, but you measly triune and dual minds can't hold a candle to the quadrune mind. You are all holding humanity back, but still I shall have compassion for you poor, limited creatures.

Maybe so. Please explain how the qyadrune mind pertains to the three gunas of Prakriti or the trinity in Christianity?

They are dabbling in the three lower dimensions of thought, oblivious that these are just incomplete facets of the greater whole.
Unfortunately, the triune-secular mind is closed to true spirituality and the fourth dimension of thought. Always just marching to the drums of the Great Trinity Beasts.

[Greta]

Aand I did it, I now have a quadrune mind!

Sorry, but you measly triune and dual minds can't hold a candle to the quadrune mind. You are all holding humanity back, but still I shall have compassion for you poor, limited creatures.

Maybe so. Please explain how the qyadrune mind pertains to the three gunas of Prakriti or the trinity in Christianity?

They are dabbling in the three lower dimensions of thought, oblivious that these are just incomplete facets of the greater whole.
Unfortunately, the triune-secular mind is closed to true spirituality and the fourth dimension of thought. Always just marching to the drums of the Great Trinity Beasts.

Pah! The quintune mind dwarfs the mere quadrune and triune! Mere trinkets! However, those with sexune minds scoff at this assertion, but those with septune minds know better still, despite being unaware of how outclassed they are by the octune mind ...

hehe ... it's starting to read like an Asimov story

[Dubious]

However, those with sexune minds scoff at this assertion, but those with septune minds know better still, despite being unaware of how outclassed they are by the octune mind ...

Speaking of the octune mind, Paul the octopus must have had one of those with his close to infallible predictions...clearly a mind that could incorporate the future into the present. Much depended on his being right which was no problem for Paul. Unfortunately, the lower mind hierarchies having taken so much advantage of his matchless insights, he died early and probably knew when that was going to happen too!

When shall we see his like again!

[Nick_A]

As you can see by the responses of those like Greta and Dubious, there is a acquired hostility – an emotional reaction against opening to the third dimension of thought.

Dr. Nicolescu in this book attempts to inspire contemplation through poetry in his effort to transmit the mystery. In the first paragraph of this review Prof. Applebaum describes a modern theory as to involution. The second paragraph describes our loss of perception and why we have become third force blind and fixated on dualistic thought.

Consider how much we have lost through this fixation. The hidden third is what opens us to the perception of levels of reality and objective values and human conscience.

The majority will remain closed and continue the struggle mechanical dualistic thought has created. But if you are one who is open to levels of reality, then research into the hidden third and why we are third force blind. All of a sudden Plato’s cave allegory will make perfect sense and you will both feel and inwardly sense what it means to turn towards the light.

Imagine yourself in a pyramid of several layers. You are at the bottom and have only experienced the interactions of life taking place on this horizontal level of reality.

Then for some reason you experience the psychological inner vertical direction leading up towards the apex of the pyramid. Before this experience your life was restricted to the base of the pyramid. Now you consciously experience the vertical third dimension of thought which reconciles dualism from a higher conscious perspective and can become drawn to the path of what Einstein called the cosmic man.


https://parabola.org/2017/07/30/the-hidden-third/

“The greatest responsibility of all: the transmission of the mystery.”
—Basarab Nicolescu

n response to this call, physicist and author Basarab Nicolescu’s recent fragmentary text offers a view of humanity’s current spiritual situation. In thirteen sections, items as brief as a few words are linked to delineate the cosmic obligation, at the same time respecting the silence of the sacred. Following suggestions of Maurice Blanchot, the fragments remind us that the whole is never given and that the beginning of understanding is always imminent. Fragmentation also mirrors a prime discovery that Nicolescu draws from his own area of scientific expertise, broken symmetry. Physicists now believe that a breakdown in laws of symmetry supplied the initial condition of the Big Bang. Thirdly, humans’ relation to God (or “Absolute Evidence” in Nicolescu’s account) and to the celestial order has ruptured. The holy reconciling force has withdrawn and the pathway once illuminated by it, is no longer visible. While we now pray for divine support, no reply is forthcoming.


The call, moreover, is blocked from our ears by deep habits of thought and language. Inherited from the ancient Greek world, their source lies in binary logic: either this or that but not both. Nicolescu’s rejection of binary-ism is strong: “The fiendish dialectics of binary thought have the redoubtable yet subtle force of being able to kill in the name of ideas.” The death consists in foreclosing the middle, the “third not given”: what is there before and remains there after the division into two. Yet that death preserves in hiding the excluded element, which allows a direct perception of multiple levels of reality, up to that of Absolute Evidence. Fear of confronting a many-dimensioned cosmos lies behind the embrace of the binary. We opt for ready knowledge and survival of the status quo rather than participation in a work of co-creation. Because we fail to see the ambiguity in “yes or no,” our spirit is blinded and put in shackles.........................

[Atla]

Maybe so. Please explain how the qyadrune mind pertains to the three gunas of Prakriti or the trinity in Christianity?

They are dabbling in the three lower dimensions of thought, oblivious that these are just incomplete facets of the greater whole.
Unfortunately, the triune-secular mind is closed to true spirituality and the fourth dimension of thought. Always just marching to the drums of the Great Trinity Beasts.

Pah! The quintune mind dwarfs the mere quadrune and triune! Mere trinkets! However, those with sexune minds scoff at this assertion, but those with septune minds know better still, despite being unaware of how outclassed they are by the octune mind ...

hehe ... it's starting to read like an Asimov story