Infanticide

[Greta]

Ahem, Nicholas, you were banned for calling the forum Admin a liar. As an unpaid helper she did not, and does not, consider being abused by forum members as something that she needed to put up with. The forum owner didn't argue. Other forum members had no problem with it either. Case closed.

I am currently in mid-chat with a Christian or two on the other forum, and had no issues. You, on the other hand, misbehaved and paid the penalty. You took the low road going to another forum to complain about the above Admin and now it seems you went to yet another forum to complain about this one, was banned, and now returned.

Do you really believe that these things are the fault of others? Can you not see how you brought them upon yourself, not with your Christianity, which is a dime a dozen, but errant behaviour? Here's a tip: try just chatting without complaint at times. The odd grizzle is natural enough but not all - of - the - time. Constant carping and accusing is space suit flatulence territory. Now, of course, we are not here to be popular, but if you enter a room and keep throwing custard tarts at everyone, you have no grounds for complaint when others don't just take it lying down.

Generally, though, I prefer people who are interested in discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas. You know, open thinking about topics kind of like philosophers might do? You bring an idea and have it tested, and you seriously consider the feedback - as opposed to airing pet theories and being patronising or aggressive towards anyone who disagrees. Funny thing to hope for on a philosophy forum, I know

[Arising_uk]

Since I left the clique no longer exists. ...

There was no clique it was all a fantasy of your own making. That you came back after saying you were off to badmouth us on another forum demonstrates the value of your 'eternal values' as does your front in coming back.

[Nick_A]

Ahem, Nicholas, you were banned for calling the forum Admin a liar. As an unpaid helper she did not, and does not, consider being abused by forum members as something that she needed to put up with. The forum owner didn't argue. Other forum members had no problem with it either. Case closed.

I am currently in mid-chat with a Christian or two on the other forum, and had no issues. You, on the other hand, misbehaved and paid the penalty. You took the low road going to another forum to complain about the above Admin and now it seems you went to yet another forum to complain about this one, was banned, and now returned.

Do you really believe that these things are the fault of others? Can you not see how you brought them upon yourself, not with your Christianity, which is a dime a dozen, but errant behaviour? Here's a tip: try just chatting without complaint at times. The odd grizzle is natural enough but not all - of - the - time. Constant carping and accusing is space suit flatulence territory. Now, of course, we are not here to be popular, but if you enter a room and keep throwing custard tarts at everyone, you have no grounds for complaint when others don't just take it lying down.

Generally, though, I prefer people who are interested in discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas. You know, open thinking about topics kind of like philosophers might do? You bring an idea and have it tested, and you seriously consider the feedback - as opposed to airing pet theories and being patronising or aggressive towards anyone who disagrees. Funny thing to hope for on a philosophy forum, I know

You are a liar. You accuse me of attacks which have never taken place. It is your way of expressing secular intolerance toward what you don't understand. You could never be a mod on any site expressing any esoteric depth. You would destroy it with your attacks against ideas you are closed to yet professed by those like Plato and Plotinus. As I wrote, to be banned by such bigotry against esoteric ideas is a badge of honor.

[Arising_uk]

Since there are no objective standards for valuing life, why not just let them die?

Because there are subjective standards about such stuff.

Can you explain why in the countries that you claim have objective external values they are still letting them die?

[Nick_A]

Since I left the clique no longer exists. ...

There was no clique it was all a fantasy of your own making. That you came back after saying you were off to badmouth us on another forum demonstrates the value of your 'eternal values' as does your front in coming back.

Of course there was a dominant clique which destroyed threads it didn't like. Management to its credit did the right thing and cleaned it up. Give credit where credit is due.

[Nick_A]

Since there are no objective standards for valuing life, why not just let them die?

Because there are subjective standards about such stuff.

Can you explain why in the countries that you claim have objective external values they are still letting them die?

There are no more countries supporting eternal values. The last attempt to recognize eternal values was made by the founding of America. The Great Beast killed it and replaced it with a struggle between subjective values

[Greta]

Ahem, Nicholas, you were banned for calling the forum Admin a liar. As an unpaid helper she did not, and does not, consider being abused by forum members as something that she needed to put up with. The forum owner didn't argue. Other forum members had no problem with it either. Case closed.

I am currently in mid-chat with a Christian or two on the other forum, and had no issues. You, on the other hand, misbehaved and paid the penalty. You took the low road going to another forum to complain about the above Admin and now it seems you went to yet another forum to complain about this one, was banned, and now returned.

Do you really believe that these things are the fault of others? Can you not see how you brought them upon yourself, not with your Christianity, which is a dime a dozen, but errant behaviour? Here's a tip: try just chatting without complaint at times. The odd grizzle is natural enough but not all - of - the - time. Constant carping and accusing is space suit flatulence territory. Now, of course, we are not here to be popular, but if you enter a room and keep throwing custard tarts at everyone, you have no grounds for complaint when others don't just take it lying down.

Generally, though, I prefer people who are interested in discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas. You know, open thinking about topics kind of like philosophers might do? You bring an idea and have it tested, and you seriously consider the feedback - as opposed to airing pet theories and being patronising or aggressive towards anyone who disagrees. Funny thing to hope for on a philosophy forum, I know

You are a liar. You accuse me of attacks which have never taken place. It is your way of expressing secular intolerance toward what you don't understand. You could never be a mod on any site expressing any esoteric depth. You would destroy it with your attacks against ideas you are closed to yet professed by those like Plato and Plotinus. As I wrote, to be banned by such bigotry against esoteric ideas is a badge of honor.

Thanks for the verification "Liar". "Bigotry". Alas, your lack of self control is what got you banned. Take responsibility for your impulse control issues, Nicholas. Not every fart you exude is sacred, laddie.

Gee, you misread me. Put away the cardboard cutouts and open your eyes. I LOVE esoteria. I have told you this more than once before but it never sinks in. Sci fi. Greek and Roman mythology. The planets and the cosmos. Time and eternity. The beginning of it all. I love all that stuff.

We hear a lot about what you hate. What do you love (aside from the smell of charred secularist on a spit)?

I also greatly respect the philosophers of antiquity as pioneers, some of the great minds, which I've told you before more than once - but it doesn't seem to sink in. Plato was brilliant, a man ahead of his time. I can't say if I am biased against Plotinus because I don't know of him. I think I have told you this before but it didn't seem to sink in. Perhaps you could tell me what Plotinus is about and why I shouldn't like him?

[Dontaskme]

Since I left the clique no longer exists. ...

There was no clique it was all a fantasy of your own making. That you came back after saying you were off to badmouth us on another forum demonstrates the value of your 'eternal values' as does your front in coming back.

Eternal Values have nothing to do with the human personality...no one owns ''eternal values'', nor are they authored, or claimed in any shape or form. I don't think you understand.

The messenger for the real truth and justice have no followers...Nonduality is not a religion...every nondual speaker I have ever known has been banned from mainstream forums, mainstream society is better known for their clique mentality, the baying heavy mob mentality. The I'll stick with science mentality.

The truth is, the truth does not want to be heard, the world is just not ready to hear the nondual message.

But that is changing, thanks to people like Nick and others.

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[Dontaskme]

Is this an implied threat? There is nothing more you can possibly do to attack me in terms of rhetoric after years of pretty well weekly, sometimes daily, attacks on my character over a period of years. The only possible intensification from there would be physical or cyber attacks.

This character that you are talking about cannot be attacked. You are confusing the images on the screen of your awareness to be actual reality..when in truth those images have no more reality or substance that the images seen in a nightly dream.

If you don't like being attacked, stop inventing an imaginary character that you believe to exist for real that can be attacked...this mental quackery is all inside your head, it's all mental dreamscape.

On the other hand, if someone walked up to you in the street and beat you to a pulp for no reason, then you will have been attacked. Do you see the difference between mental imagery and actual events?

Do you actually know Nick? have you ever met him in the physical body? ..if yes, then yes, it seems he is attacking you, but you don't have to believe your own created mental imagery of the other persons own pre-mediated projections of you....physical assault is real yes, but not mental assault. This belief in other peoples own projections of you is why humans are so hopelessly stuck in their conscious evolution to evolve and rise above the concept of ''other''...when people believe their own invented image of them self and other to actually exist is the beginning of the ''them'' verses ''us'' mentality...that is not a real presentation of what is actually true reality. Instead is It's just a fictional re-presentation, a story, a mentally created addendum artificially superimposed upon true real reality by the mind..and people believe in their own self created, self invented BS crap all the time.

Real in the moment existential happenings are not pre-mediated, they are always in the flow of life which cannot make a mistake or be an accident.
The victim is never the perpetrator..the perpetrator may have plans to attack, but the victim is usually unaware it is about to be a victim.
In other words there is no victim without a perpetrator...and a perpetrator is an idiot, ...why allow an idiot to bring you down mentally.

It seems that you are talking about pre-mediated threats, which do not exist in the real world...they are of the mind which you choose to believe in hook line and sinker. It's your terror, the one that you personally are creating as you belief it to be..Stop shifting the blame onto others, and see that you are already perfect just as you are prior to any others projection or perceived idea of you.


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[Dontaskme]

Generally, though, I prefer people who are interested in discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas. You know, open thinking about topics kind of like philosophers might do? You bring an idea and have it tested, and you seriously consider the feedback - as opposed to airing pet theories and being patronising or aggressive towards anyone who disagrees. Funny thing to hope for on a philosophy forum, I know

In other words you want it all your own way to suit your own agenda..something you accuse other people of doing, what a surprise.

What's wrong with posting on a philosophy forum, is this some kind of exclusive place for special kinds of knowledge or something?

All Nick does is point that out to you...he points out and so do I the plank in your own eye. That you do what you accuse others of doing.

Also, it has come to my attention that even though you say you have a love for esoteric themes..correct me if I'm wrong but have you only had a quick peep over the precipice and said no thanks..was it that you were too scared to make that final leap into the abyss of your non-existence?

And is that why you have no desire to resonate with those that have taken that leap. You really are so far up your own self imaged ass it's unbelievable. And you have the audacity to call other people out on their belief in the original father..but it's okay for Greta to be a bitch isn't it, Greta's already got a pet father belief hasn't she, the one you have invented inside your own head....like the one you accuse others of inventing when they say they know God the original father....you deny others that belief, while clinging on ever so tightly to your own belief in your biological father.....it's the same invention...can't you see that....but no one else is allowed to have their beliefs are they...only you are.

You do not need to test consciousness...you are IT you are ON going live right now....YOU DON'T NEED TO PRACTICE BEING ON.

Oh but we better just test this out first, eh...testing testing, are you working...of course you are, you're IT

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[Greta]

Generally, though, I prefer people who are interested in discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas. You know, open thinking about topics kind of like philosophers might do? You bring an idea and have it tested, and you seriously consider the feedback - as opposed to airing pet theories and being patronising or aggressive towards anyone who disagrees. Funny thing to hope for on a philosophy forum, I know

In other words you want it all your own way to suit your own agenda..something you accuse other people of doing, what a surprise.

Yes, I am guilty of pushing my own barrow, which is:

... discussing a range of issues on a philosophy forum rather than relentlessly pushing a barrow and being non receptive to others' ideas

You are exactly one of those who pushes barrows and does not listen, a type of forum parasite.

In your determined ignorance, which you posit as a virtue, you spew out regular empty sour grapes reality-negating posts and pretend that you are being "deep" rather than admitting that you are covering for your fear of failure in this life, unresponsive to all but the echoes in your own mind. In that way you can hide from the fear of death.

I love esoteria but just for fun. IMO life is for living and enjoying, not to be negated and underestimated.

[Dontaskme]

You are exactly one of those who pushes barrows and does not listen, a type of forum parasite.

Okay, I don't listen to others, and I am a forum parasite, thanks for the reminder, I'd already forgotten about that aspect of me, but yes, I'll take responsibility for that, for being a forum parasite, I'm game for a laugh at myself, I'll take that wild interpretation of me for the team.
I'm not scared of my inner demons. I also would like to thank you for being so light on me, I mean you could have really gone to town on this one, but you showed great restraint, you didn't spill the worst of yourself for the whole forum to see, holding that back must have been so difficult for you, you have much self-control, kudos to you.

In your determined ignorance, which you posit as a virtue, you spew out regular empty sour grapes reality-negating posts and pretend that you are being "deep" rather than admitting that you are covering for your fear of failure in this life, unresponsive to all but the echoes in your own mind. In that way you can hide from the fear of death.

Okay, I've listened to what you've said. But as much as you long to believe your thoughts are true, they are not actually my thoughts whatsoever. But please feel free to use me as your punching bag if that's the only way you can think of to release your own fears.

..As for me, I'll make up my own mind about what's real and what's not for me right now. I don't just have to ''blindly suck up'' your wild and totally inaccurate estimations of it.

I can actually listen to others and then make up my own mind about what I've heard...and whether it's true or not.

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IMO life is for living and enjoying, not to be negated and underestimated.

I agree.

Nonduality has never made me underestimate life, this knowledge is very empowering. You can't negate life, but you can negate the negator, that's why I trust in life itself, and not the one that thinks it's the one living it.



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[Greta]

You are exactly one of those who pushes barrows and does not listen ...

Okay, I don't listen to other ...

Why not start?

In your determined ignorance, which you posit as a virtue, you spew out regular empty sour grapes reality-negating posts and pretend that you are being "deep" rather than admitting that you are covering for your fear of failure in this life, unresponsive to all but the echoes in your own mind. In that way you can hide from the fear of death.

Okay, I've listened to what you've said. But as much as you long to believe your thoughts are true ...

You assume that I am like you, longing for my ideas to be true.

I am not at all like you in that regard. My ideas are just ideas, maybe right or wrong to some extent.

I actually don't believe that you would be able to name any of my ideas.

What do you think my ideas are? Can you point out even one in my few thousand posts? My impression is that you have not paid attention to anything I've written and your view of me is basically that of a typical academic atheist with all of the same ideas as any other atheist academics, which is very wrong.

[Nick_A]

So what have we learned? We've learned that by definition secularism has no objective values so the value of life is determined by the moods of the day. There can be no objective difference in value between a nine month old fetus and a week old baby. Once again Simone Weil describes the harsh reality in her usual laconic fashion:

"My own feeling was that when once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whole life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men that murder. ...

The nine month old fetus and the week old baby have no objective value. whatever value they have is determined by the state and the mother who have the power of life and death over these helpless beings. Progress

[Greta]

So what have we learned? We've learned that by definition secularism has no objective values so the value of life is determined by the moods of the day. There can be no objective difference in value between a nine month old fetus and a week old baby.

I have not seen any here in favour of late term abortions. Whom have you seen here who favours them?

Often people speak in terms of nervous system formation - the capacity to feel pain like a born infant would. Others think in terms of viability.

Meanwhile you would give a just-fertilised human egg the same rights and status as those of the adult mother - in an already overpopulated world. I don't understand you. If you are pro life, why do you support Trump, who is sabre-rattling with nuclear power?

We have unsustainable populations - whose lives are worth saving and who do we let go?