Is the term "redneck" politically correct ?

[duszek]

People who work hard in the fields deserve respect, don´t they ?

Today farmers drive huge air-conditioned combines (as I saw on TV) and don´t have to expose their body to the sun.

But is the term politically correct ?
Someone who works hard should not be made fun of.
Kain was the first person who worked hard in the fields, together with his mother Eve, while his brother Able was a shepard and had a less hard life that way. Adam was also a shepard.

Kain and Eve were the first rednecks.

First steps to answer this would be:
1. To define or explain what the adjective 'politically correct' means.
2. To define or explain what the term 'redneck' means.

For that - see online dictionary or wikipedia. Or not.
Then engage thinking part of brain.
But why would anyone want to do that ?

I remember asking a native Canadian what a redneck was, he expained that it was a farmer working in the fields. White skin gets red if exposed too much to the sun. Australians are worried about it more and more.

Politically correct means that we do not offend other people´s feelings because they belong to certain social groups and they should not suffer for bad behavior of other members of these groups. (a definition made by myself just now)

Dicionaries use empirical material which they get from interviewing people, that´s what I suppose.

If my use of the words "redneck" and "politically correct" seem wrong to you, Marjoram, then please point out the weak points of my usage to me.

Peace.

[Walker]

First steps to answer this would be:
1. To define or explain what the adjective 'politically correct' means.
2. To define or explain what the term 'redneck' means.

3. Test your theories.
Call a redneck a redneck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzk89bYjiQ

[ForCruxSake]

No argument, so you do what you always do: lie lie and lie.

Proof being? You seem to make rather sweeping broad claims that you never actually bear out.

Why don't you crawl back under the rock you slithered out from?

Because I never slithered out from under one. Why do you ask such stupid questions?

Where have I ever used the word 'multiracial'?

Did I say you had?

Here's the quote, I found most racist:

The same goes for 'multiculturalism'--another addition to the PC dictionary. Different cultures don't mix and never will, which is why you find so much crime in 'multicultural melting-pot' areas. You don't often find Chinese in Somalian gangs, or vice versa.

(Posted to "Am I A Man Or A Woman?" Thread, 23 Apr 2017, 01:32)

(As if you know about Chinese and Somalian gangs!)

You could argue 'multiracial' is equivalent to 'multicultural melting pot', as used by you, as 'melting pot' has always had the racial component, when used in this context.

Whilst the whole thread was contentious, I've picked this quote as identifying your general level of racism. The race component's there, and in one generalised sweeping statement, you say: cultures don't mix well, crime is high in multicultural areas (as a result of the ill cultural mix) and you come up with some stupid conjecture about the alignment of Chinese and Somalian gangs, with no actual clear or supported point to make.

Myself and another forum user tried to explain to you that cities, such as ours, were successful multicultural melting pots, but you hung on to your racist dogma, and argued that you were simply 'dissenting' and that I was unreasonably branding you racist.

You also at some point made the claim that I "probably go round telling everyone you're Pakistani" for some nonsensical reason intended as an insult.

Here's that exchange:

I was saying British culture continues, and should continue irrespective of colour, that we are ALL Brits. That race should not be an issue. The fact it is, is the problem. So what is the (counter) point you are trying to make?

You would say that. You are full of shit. I bet you say Pakistani when asked what culture you are. Or are you suggesting the English have never had any cultural identity?
I say 'white British' because that's what the articles say, hence the quote marks. Yes, it is silly. I would much rather just say 'English'. I think most normal people will know what I mean when i say that. And before you say it, a cat can be born in a kennel. Doesn't make it a dog.

(Posted to "Am I A Man Or A Woman?" - 26 Apr 2017, 02:14)

Why would you even bring up something like that, unless you were an ignorant racist who had a beef with Pakistanis and the racial/ cultural purity of the English???

What you said came across as ignorant, casual racist rhetoric, particularly when you brought up the issue of crime being high in the 'melting pot' of multicultural areas because of the cultural mix.

Anyway it's all there in the thread.

You seem to have a huge problem with the words 'culture', 'race', and 'Nationality'. You obviously think they are all the same thing.

Not at all. More unsupported conjecture. What's your actual point?

And how on earth would you know what kind of community I live in?

I don't. That was a bad cut and paste from my draft, I didn't spot... It should have read:

"A person who glibly blames rising crime rates, in a multiracial community, on the racial component of that community, as you did, in one of your posts, *is* as racist as a Ku Klux Klan member, as far as I am concerned."

And not:

"A person who lives in a multiracial community that glibly blames rising crime rates on the racial component of that community, as you did, in one of your posts, *is* as racist as a Ku Klux Klan member, as far as I am concerned

I should have re-edited the post! But you'd only have complained about that.

The person who most resembles a racist here is you.

Seems odd when you spend so much of the time calling me PC for defending multiracial communities from the likes of you. Can't have it both ways, missy.

You obviously think non-whites are terribly inferior people, which is why you send your demonspawn to 'reputable' schools.

No. That says more about you than it says about me. You have no idea where I send my son to school or of its cultural mix. You seem to be suggesting the word 'reputable' somehow bars "non-whites". I would argue that you are just being casually racist in your attempt to suggest I am somehow racist.

(Interestingly enough, following our discussion back in April, I found out that at my son's school, the only Chinese kid, in his year group, hangs out with the Somalian kids! )

You also keep assuming that all non-whites must be poor (or 'low-socioeconomic' to be 'correct') with absolutely no control over their impulses to commit crimes. Shame on you.

Again, I think YOU are one that is saying that. I've never said this and you will have to prove this, by link or quote, and show it in context. You won't be able to as I've never said these things.
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Are you so desperate, in your need to appear to come out on top of this thread, and not racist, that you now resort to utter fabrication, and hoping that by calling me racist back, you'll somehow fool everyone into thinking that I am the racist? You're not six years old....

Or are you? Thought it best to ask, rather than assume.

[ForCruxSake]

''I have a feeling you're not anyone's mother. But if by some unfortunate chance you are, I'm left to wonder how many calls have been made to social services about your parenting skills, ''
But this isn't insulting or personal at all.

No, it's genuine concern. People who are as angry online as you get... and as out of control... may well be displaying the same lack of control in their real lives. Where children are concerned, you can never be too safe.

I'd have left a smirky smiley if it had been to insult but it was a sad smiley. I'm genuinely concerned by your pugnaciousness and level of hated here.

[marjoram_blues]

1. From the Cambridge online dictionary: the adjective 'politically correct' -
Someone who is politically correct believes that language and actions that could be offensive to others, especially those relating to sex and race, should be avoided.

A politically correct word or expression is used instead of another one to avoid being offensive: some people think that 'fireman' is a sexist term, and prefer the politically correct term 'firefighter'.

2. Using same dictionary: the noun 'redneck' -
Mainly US informal offensive
A poor white person without education, especially one living in the countryside in the southern US, who has prejudiced ( = unfair and unreasonable) ideas and beliefs.

Here, the term 'redneck' by definition is offensive.
So, it is not a politically correct term - by definition.

What is the point of the question?

[Harbal]

I think that is a fairly clear example of jargon being used in an attempt to close an argument.

Moreso, you think, than yelling "hate monger" and "racist" as freely as fux does? If that woman had her way everybody would have to submit their thoughts for censorship before they were allowed to speak them. If she had the slightest amount of power or influence she'd be dangerous.

[Harbal]

What a mess of words. And Harbal aspires to this!

Is being offensive the only thing you are capable of? Does trying to belittle people give you a buzz? This is just pure abuse, you are an abuse monger. And why must you always stick a laughing face at the end of all your posts, are you unable to express yourself without them? You're an emoji monger.

[ForCruxSake]

What a mess of words. And Harbal aspires to this!

Is being offensive the only thing you are capable of? Does trying to belittle people give you a buzz? This is just pure abuse, you are an abuse monger. And why must you always stick a laughing face at the end of all your posts, are you unable to express yourself without them? You're an emoji monger.

Let me remind you of this....

I've got some of those too.

And then turn to a salient quote...

Harbal, have you lost your sense of irony, or is this a masterpiece of self-deprecation?

[Harbal]

What a mess of words. And Harbal aspires to this!

Is being offensive the only thing you are capable of? Does trying to belittle people give you a buzz? This is just pure abuse, you are an abuse monger. And why must you always stick a laughing face at the end of all your posts, are you unable to express yourself without them? You're an emoji monger.

Let me remind you of this....

I've got some of those too.

And then turn to a salient quote...

Harbal, have you lost your sense of irony, or is this a masterpiece of self-deprecation?

I think I'm beginning to fancy you, fux, how much do you charge?

[ForCruxSake]

Is being offensive the only thing you are capable of? Does trying to belittle people give you a buzz? This is just pure abuse, you are an abuse monger. And why must you always stick a laughing face at the end of all your posts, are you unable to express yourself without them? You're an emoji monger.

Let me remind you of this....

I've got some of those too.

And then turn to a salient quote...

Harbal, have you lost your sense of irony, or is this a masterpiece of self-deprecation?

I think I'm beginning to fancy you, fux, how much do you charge?

To someone as ugly as you on the inside...? On yer bike, mate!

[Harbal]

To someone as ugly as you on the inside...? On yer bike, mate!

What if I was to give you a crispy new ten pound note and let you keep the change?

[ForCruxSake]

What a mess of words. And Harbal aspires to this!

Is being offensive the only thing you are capable of?

In all fairness you did say:

I couldn't possibly do what VT does as well as she does it, I only wish I could.

What she did wasn't pretty, Harbal, and it wasn't clever.

Does trying to belittle people give you a buzz?

Not at all. Might I remind you that you are the ones who have been trolling me for a matter of weeks. You were ignored for quite a long time and now I'm simply responding to your posts, quoting what you have said, or providing an aposite response.

This is just pure abuse, you are an abuse monger.

I would usually give you credit for knowing abuse as you and VT have it down to... not quite an art form... But a sh*t form. But your slipping if think this is abuse. Maybe your trolling days are coming to an end?

And why must you always stick a laughing face at the end of all your posts, are you unable to express yourself without them? You're an emoji monger.

It's just an emoji, Harbal. VT uses them, too! Look....

Btw, you do realise that your friend is watching this, waiting to see how you 'perform'. She will waddle in soon and announce that you have 'annihilated' me with your 'big boy philosophy'. I can't wait.

See. You going to let her talk to your mate, uwot, like that, with those nasty emojis?

There's more but far be it for me to roast her. I know it hurts your feelings when people take on your friends. And you have to lash out like a little boy.

Lighten up, man. You can't be a hypocritical, bullying troll all your life!

[Harbal]

I can't be bothered today, fux, try again tomorrow.

[ForCruxSake]

1. From the Cambridge online dictionary: the adjective 'politically correct' -
Someone who is politically correct believes that language and actions that could be offensive to others, especially those relating to sex and race, should be avoided.

A politically correct word or expression is used instead of another one to avoid being offensive: some people think that 'fireman' is a sexist term, and prefer the politically correct term 'firefighter'.

2. Using same dictionary: the noun 'redneck' -
Mainly US informal offensive
A poor white person without education, especially one living in the countryside in the southern US, who has prejudiced ( = unfair and unreasonable) ideas and beliefs.

Here, the term 'redneck' by definition is offensive.
So, it is not a politically correct term - by definition.

What is the point of the question?

(Excuse me for butting in...)

We don't really use the term , redneck, in the UK, possibly because of the scarcity of sunny days.

But I'm interested in when the term 'politically correct' itself become so perjorative?

It seems that when applied to nouns, as you have just done, it's not perjorative. It's corrective. It's only when people are labelled politically correct, following some idea or comment shared, that it takes this new more insulting meaning.

As far as insults go, I'm good with PC. Makes me feel like I have manners, however galling I may appear to the pitcher of the insult.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No argument, so you do what you always do: lie lie and lie.

Proof being? You seem to make rather sweeping broad claims that you never actually bear out.

Why don't you crawl back under the rock you slithered out from?

Because I never slithered out from under one. Why do you ask such stupid questions?

Where have I ever used the word 'multiracial'?

Did I say you had?

Here's the quote, I found most racist:

The same goes for 'multiculturalism'--another addition to the PC dictionary. Different cultures don't mix and never will, which is why you find so much crime in 'multicultural melting-pot' areas. You don't often find Chinese in Somalian gangs, or vice versa.

(Posted to "Am I A Man Or A Woman?" Thread, 23 Apr 2017, 01:32)

(As if you know about Chinese and Somalian gangs!)

You could argue 'multiracial' is equivalent to 'multicultural melting pot', as used by you, as 'melting pot' has always had the racial component, when used in this context.

Whilst the whole thread was contentious, I've picked this quote as identifying your general level of racism. The race component's there, and in one generalised sweeping statement, you say: cultures don't mix well, crime is high in multicultural areas (as a result of the ill cultural mix) and you come up with some stupid conjecture about the alignment of Chinese and Somalian gangs, with no actual clear or supported point to make.

Myself and another forum user tried to explain to you that cities, such as ours, were successful multicultural melting pots, but you hung on to your racist dogma, and argued that you were simply 'dissenting' and that I was unreasonably branding you racist.

You also at some point made the claim that I "probably go round telling everyone you're Pakistani" for some nonsensical reason intended as an insult.

Here's that exchange:

I was saying British culture continues, and should continue irrespective of colour, that we are ALL Brits. That race should not be an issue. The fact it is, is the problem. So what is the (counter) point you are trying to make?

You would say that. You are full of shit. I bet you say Pakistani when asked what culture you are. Or are you suggesting the English have never had any cultural identity?
I say 'white British' because that's what the articles say, hence the quote marks. Yes, it is silly. I would much rather just say 'English'. I think most normal people will know what I mean when i say that. And before you say it, a cat can be born in a kennel. Doesn't make it a dog.

(Posted to "Am I A Man Or A Woman?" - 26 Apr 2017, 02:14)

Why would you even bring up something like that, unless you were an ignorant racist who had a beef with Pakistanis and the racial/ cultural purity of the English???

What you said came across as ignorant, casual racist rhetoric, particularly when you brought up the issue of crime being high in the 'melting pot' of multicultural areas because of the cultural mix.

Anyway it's all there in the thread.

You seem to have a huge problem with the words 'culture', 'race', and 'Nationality'. You obviously think they are all the same thing.

Not at all. More unsupported conjecture. What's your actual point?

And how on earth would you know what kind of community I live in?

I don't. That was a bad cut and paste from my draft, I didn't spot... It should have read:

"A person who glibly blames rising crime rates, in a multiracial community, on the racial component of that community, as you did, in one of your posts, *is* as racist as a Ku Klux Klan member, as far as I am concerned."

And not:

"A person who lives in a multiracial community that glibly blames rising crime rates on the racial component of that community, as you did, in one of your posts, *is* as racist as a Ku Klux Klan member, as far as I am concerned

I should have re-edited the post! But you'd only have complained about that.

The person who most resembles a racist here is you.

Seems odd when you spend so much of the time calling me PC for defending multiracial communities from the likes of you. Can't have it both ways, missy.

You obviously think non-whites are terribly inferior people, which is why you send your demonspawn to 'reputable' schools.

No. That says more about you than it says about me. You have no idea where I send my son to school or of its cultural mix. You seem to be suggesting the word 'reputable' somehow bars "non-whites". I would argue that you are just being casually racist in your attempt to suggest I am somehow racist.

(Interestingly enough, following our discussion back in April, I found out that at my son's school, the only Chinese kid, in his year group, hangs out with the Somalian kids! )

You also keep assuming that all non-whites must be poor (or 'low-socioeconomic' to be 'correct') with absolutely no control over their impulses to commit crimes. Shame on you.

Again, I think YOU are one that is saying that. I've never said this and you will have to prove this, by link or quote, and show it in context. You won't be able to as I've never said these things.
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Are you so desperate, in your need to appear to come out on top of this thread, and not racist, that you now resort to utter fabrication, and hoping that by calling me racist back, you'll somehow fool everyone into thinking that I am the racist? You're not six years old....

Or are you? Thought it best to ask, rather than assume.

So you had the other thread shut down with your pathetic whining and now you are transferring it to this thread? More of your bullying tactics. I notice you haven't transferred your own incoherent and insulting comments. You didn't have any arguments then and you don't have any now. Wow, your 'Chinese kid' comment really blows the 'theory' out of the water that gangs are made up largely of their own identifying group (hell, we are all becoming contortionists thanks to twits like you). That's what a 'gang' is. Why are you mentioning 'Chinese and Somalians' at your brat's school anyway? I thought you said you were all 'Brits'.