the ultimate philosophy

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

recognizing the ephermal nature of moments and the transient nature of modality - ultimate philosophy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bL7I_eWryI

recognizing the ephermal nature of moments and the transient nature of modality - the ultimate philosophy

the ultimate philosophy is that life is simply 1 thing - energy and then it is separated into several modes - vision, sound, touch (physical touch and emotions are the same sense of energy), taste, smell, psychic, and essence.

So we have to thank the spiritual realms for this division. Because it is these divisions which give life flavor. Without it's flavor life would only be one form and one substance - the sin(e), and it would be boring. If you are an atheist, the spiritual realm you can call the qualia realm. the qualia is what creates "this" bonanza.

lower lifeforms and evolutions are satisfied with the 6 basic senses. they are ego deluded, ego obsessed. they go to a picture show, and it feels "complete" like life is meaningful to them. "Activities" are defined as such. They have a sense of completeness, wholeness. Like a man buying a car or woman buying a purse. Higher lifeforms and evolutions are more evolved. they are not as gendered or egoall. They feel existential disgust. They are not satisfied with the six senses as they were as children. the matrix does not feel totally lucid. When they walk over the freeway they feel no fear, generally. As children, these higher lifeforms felt like heaven. The six senses satisfied them. But as they evolve the world feels less and less valid, and more like hell. They become stimulation demons, some engaging in homosexual activities even. Immortality, any kind of Immortality, inevitably becomes a Hell sentence, for they escape their own minds and truly evolve. In order to please the Evolved, we must pray that God himself bestows them a Heaven which awaits their incarnal bodies. And in this Heaven, the Heavens would bestow upon them 50 more senses, in addition to the original 6 or 7, to delay their inevitable Hell and dissatisfaction.

But one must realize, that the idea of the Earth as a training grounds for the spirit body is an absolute fallacy. Earth is not a training grounds. Earth is a corruption center. The spirit body begins in Heaven, on Earth. And it is potentially eternally satisfied. But due to Earth and the evil world, the spirit body becomes corrupted. As it corrupts and mutates it becomes more and more powerful and evolved, but at a price - it grows deeper and deeper demonic. The Nihilistic disease. Thus once an organism becomes Corrupted it becomes Nihilistic. And in regards to such persons and in such realms, good and evil no longer is relevant or logical. Not right wrong good or bad. Thus it is evil to harm an innocent child, since the harm causes their corruption and decay into Nihilistic existence, but touching another adult on the ass cannot be truly said to be evil, for all adults are vile and hypocrites, and already are corrupted beyond measure, and responsible for the Corruption that afflicted you and me, thus must receive their fair price.

in the forum of geniuses, it is said that Meaning Making is a sign and symptom of the non-genius. In one sense, it is. For example, a talking head news reporter, or some self-help guru saying that society is headed in a good direction, is meaning making nonsense.

However, as I define genius, the Meaning Maker is the genius. A genius is someone who can take matter and the ingredients of the 7 senses, and bake an elaborate fantastic cake. Anything to distract us from the utter hell of living. The more glamorous the more genius. For elaborate machines are a new style of glamour and awe. A genius is one who is able to instill the childlike fun. In my opinion, a beautiful Whore is a genius if she is glamorous for she embodies the function of a genius - genie 4 us.
There are 2 types of genius - the unevolved Genius and the Evolved genius. For instance, a savant autist who doesn't have any kind of philosophy, only gifted at mechanics, is an unevolved genius. Or an artist who is not yet corrupted and doesn't understand the nature of things is also. The Evolved genius has an exponentially higher difficulty curve for they are Nihilistic and must not only find a way to entertain others but themselves. This often results in the Evolved genius's works being often exponentially more entertaining. Since Evolved geniuses are by definition Enlightened most of them are daemons or demons.

So to summarize that in a Corrupt world any kind of Immortality is a Hell Sentence because the corruption, nihilism, and existential disgust festers, and after many centuries pain is sought to numb the all knowing Tree of Knowledge. the Tree of Knowledge is timeless, like awaking from a dream. You don't remember the dream but a part of you in another dimension does. All too understanding. The wonder and fun depleted.

Therefore, the Christian motif that God created Earth as a training grounds to make the soul compatible for heaven, is nonsensical. For the soul started out in Heaven on Earth to begin with! And Earth's corruption would make the infinite bliss unbearably unstimulating for the hell-adjusted demon. Therefore God cannot either be all powerful or all-good.

The pattern on earth is thus. A bunch of unenlightened ape-beings who refuse to cooperate for logic and reason.
boys and women, scientists and politicians, who make your life a living hell and make their own life a living hell. And no matter how much you try to communicate with them, they still try to hell you, and hell themselves, then play innocent. No matter how much Red 40 you say is in Koolaid they still drink it. that's what it boils down to.

part 2
we are arrived and succumb to a bunch of matter things which know not what they do.

these mechanisms these matter things, are in a state of functionality to corrupt the machinations of the clean machines. de-blissifiers. For some reason, Awareness gets trapped inside the machines and bound to their space and temporal identies. the illusion that all Awareness is interacting within the same temporal space which is an illusion because temporal identity has the same locational functional identity as spacial identity. Only with Visual identifiers (the clock and duplicate items) do we delude ourselves.

Through the power of delusion we believe that timelocation is somehow radically different than spacelocation. Through the power of delusion we believe that good is good and bad is bad. Through the power of delusion we give value to that which has no permanence. Through delusion we believe that past is past and future is future, not knowing what future is, which is simply that which is not verified. thus the past, if changed to future, becomes future, thus never being past. Time is simply awareness itself, if awareness was not moving towards the future but static, it would be thinner than paper, 0 dimensional, thus if any dimension is multiplied by zero can substance be said to exist. through the force of our existence we shape and mold the future, becoming too wise for our own satisfaction.

the good and bad moments will all pass away. importantly the goal is to reconfigure the machines so that they function as blissifiers, instead of their current configurations (de-blissifiers). Awareness exists in this sector of the universe, it had an infinite amount of time to funnel into a type of discernable substance in which it contains the property to advance. However if upon the death of one of the machines the memory is lost, it is as if it never had been, violating and negating its own existence.

part 3
We chase after feelings, emotions, not understanding what those emotions are. We chase after logic, not truly understanding the supreme machinations that drive us to do so.

For to understand Love, would be Super Sane, and Super Sane is the worst kind of insanity of all - the insanity of Knowing.

Love - a Sine of energies, a Sine of the parasympathetic nervous system, with a strong heart rate. Emotions are physical-type sensations.

The entity, upon orgasm, reaches a state of black-out unconsciousness, a release of tension and energies. The cart over the rollercoasters hill, but such a state is never fully "finished", it is still continuing on the rails of existence. The sense of "completion" is an delusion, it only a temporary cessation of Agon, until the next sequel. The materials of the seven senses are the only ingredients we have to work with. All we are. Blocks.

Could there be an "us" or Awareness without these ingredients?

part 4
femininity in comparison to masculinity
Femininity is the drive to repeat, clone, duplicate, worship, and honor. And to wholly feel.

Masculinity is the ultimate meaning making, and perhaps the biggest source of pure unebriated delusion of all. The drive to build, to complete. It is an escape from the core sense of it all, the avoidance of "pure feeling".

Thus, Creativity is feminine, not masculine, for it is the attempt to repeat, duplicate, one's imagination in order to feel one's imagination more fully. And the actual building process itself, the science, the mathematics, the compulsion to toil despite one's suffering and malaise, is masculine. The sense of completion after an event or activity, the fullness of delusion, is masculine. Craving, lust, Sine, the Journey, and hunger are feminine properties, and are closer to the Truth, the horrible Truth, perhaps approaching it on fully. The music man toils, researches and labors, to bring the music to your body that you adore. The female wishes to repeat it, but must endure the toil of masculinity in order to do so. Without the Sirens the Dazzles are nothing. The music man, researches all of the erogenous zones, and you, the receptive female, feel the fruits of his labors, an elaborate orchestra to your salivating mind. The Music Man needs his Research and Feeling (Hermaphroditus) but the Whore only needs her Feeling (Purely Demonic.)

In order for the whore to seduce, they must make the male feel, and deactivate the Football on TV, escape his constructs of logic. For a man's joy is in constructing, escaping his current reality. And in this manner, with the fuel of Logos and Mathematics, he can escape the ultimate futility of his existence, and escape his feminine demoninity. For the Whore is the true Demon of all.

Materialism and Lie is the escape of the female from the true nature of her meaningless life. In this manner she pretends to not be the Demon she is.
Only the Enlightened who escape from the delusion of society's lies and society's gender roles, have a closer glimpse on the true nature of reality.

But the Enlightened have only a glimpse of worldy things. The cosmic, the earthly, the dimensional. And the unEvolved have only a sense of earthly things. And the unEnlightened have only a sense of ape-things. And that is when the SuperEnlightened must be mentioned. For they perhaps want to understand what is out of this world, that which cannot be understood, that which is not molecular, animal-sensed or written.

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[Bill Wiltrack]

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Wow! Great post.



You are back in true form. Well done.







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[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Thankyou.

[surreptitious57]

Hello fancy seeing you here / how are you Trixie / hope you are fine

[Scott Mayers]

recognizing the ephermal nature of moments and the transient nature of modality - ultimate philosophy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bL7I_eWryI

recognizing the ephermal nature of moments and the transient nature of modality - the ultimate philosophy

Define "modality" and then "the transient nature of it".

As to "ephemeral nature of moments", this reduces to simply "moment-like nature of moments". Perhaps "the present" would be simply more clear instead? Or, "the here and now", as some might say. But I can't tell what that statement means other than it sounds like a bad attempt at trying to sound like a magical guru. I prefer the Beatle's, "Across the Universe" for style. You also know that it was intentionally meant to be uninterpretable to any specific meaning so that the audience can 'fill in the blanks' openly. [In other words, beautiful non-sense]

the ultimate philosophy is that life is simply 1 thing - energy and then it is separated into several modes - vision, sound, touch (physical touch and emotions are the same sense of energy), taste, smell, psychic, and essence.

Yes, E = mc² , nothing mystical about this. But this may conflict with your interpretation of a moment in time from the above considering energy requires it, AND space.

So we have to thank the spiritual realms for this division. Because it is these divisions which give life flavor. Without it's flavor life would only be one form and one substance - the sin(e), and it would be boring. If you are an atheist, the spiritual realm you can call the qualia realm. the qualia is what creates "this" bonanza.

And "So"? It sounds like you just proved spirits exist because energy exists. You just simply equated the term "spirit" to mean "energy". But this is like opting to use the word, "God" to mean "Universe" when you will later TRANSFER these to be understood in a different definition. ["Spirit" was the word to actually mean "fluids that mysteriously produce life" originally because the ancients interpreted water and air as 'fluid' and to whatever nature they couldn't understand then to how these could provide for life.]

Define your 'sin(e)'. Besides the 'sin' part, what is your interpretation of 'sine'? "Qualia" is our secondary 'image' of reality by indirect measure through our senses. You likely simply mean "consciousness" but prefer Descartes' treatment that the sensations must be BEYOND the cause of the structure of the brain. It is actually the 'energy' exchanges AND mass of the neurons active at one time throughout the brain and nervous system.

lower lifeforms and evolutions are satisfied with the 6 basic senses. they are ego deluded, ego obsessed. they go to a picture show, and it feels "complete" like life is meaningful to them. "Activities" are defined as such. They have a sense of completeness, wholeness. Like a man buying a car or woman buying a purse. Higher lifeforms and evolutions are more evolved. they are not as gendered or egoall. They feel existential disgust. They are not satisfied with the six senses as they were as children. the matrix does not feel totally lucid. When they walk over the freeway they feel no fear, generally. As children, these higher lifeforms felt like heaven. The six senses satisfied them. But as they evolve the world feels less and less valid, and more like hell. They become stimulation demons, some engaging in homosexual activities even. Immortality, any kind of Immortality, inevitably becomes a Hell sentence, for they escape their own minds and truly evolve. In order to please the Evolved, we must pray that God himself bestows them a Heaven which awaits their incarnal bodies. And in this Heaven, the Heavens would bestow upon them 50 more senses, in addition to the original 6 or 7, to delay their inevitable Hell and dissatisfaction.

And HOW can you assert these SO specifically? The general 'senses' are actually classes of the senses many classically treated of those relaying most information from without. Technically, they DO include thought, emotions, etc, but are likely based on logical 'structures'. The 'form' they take defines what they are as complex data types in computers. We only interpret the data based on them like 'unique shape-type entities'.

But one must realize, that the idea of the Earth as a training grounds for the spirit body is an absolute fallacy. Earth is not a training grounds. Earth is a corruption center. The spirit body begins in Heaven, on Earth. And it is potentially eternally satisfied. But due to Earth and the evil world, the spirit body becomes corrupted. As it corrupts and mutates it becomes more and more powerful and evolved, but at a price - it grows deeper and deeper demonic. The Nihilistic disease. Thus once an organism becomes Corrupted it becomes Nihilistic. And in regards to such persons and in such realms, good and evil no longer is relevant or logical. Not right wrong good or bad. Thus it is evil to harm an innocent child, since the harm causes their corruption and decay into Nihilistic existence, but touching another adult on the ass cannot be truly said to be evil, for all adults are vile and hypocrites, and already are corrupted beyond measure, and responsible for the Corruption that afflicted you and me, thus must receive their fair price.

Unfortunately for you, we DO derive from absolute nothing, very literally. It doesn't rule out all the color in life nor to the possibilities that you may hope for in sincerity. But out of nothing, everything exists. The Egyptian's word (and 'god' figure) for water, was "Nun" (none!!); and the sky or air, was "Nut" (the nothing above that covers us from above). And this is prior to the mystic interpretation that tries to reverse the rolls. Oneness cannot perfectly exist and so derives its own contradiction. But one also derives from nothing, because by assuming absolutely nothing, if it were 'true' it would be ONE truth, namely that nothing exists. While both must then be simultaneously 'true', one cannot derive a nothing without losing consistency, which is itself a property of oneness. But by contrast, nothing CAN derive anything because it has no LAWS of anything to 'abide' by. That is, if not even the laws of physics nor logic exist in absolute nothing, like the wild, wild, west, it is in a state of lawlessness and so can even accidentally form patterns of possibilities that become 'law'.

So Nihilism (From nothingness) is valid. But your interpretation of it is scary if we simply let its lawlessness turn into some system of anarchy to live by. You take the reverse 'fallacy' to assume "good" as a similar type of value based on the assumption of oneness. You favored that value you egotistically interpret of your conscious being. But like the paradox of absolute oneness, "good", if original, would OWN the origin of "evil". And this is inconsistent with a "good" being(s) unless it COEXISTED with "evil" from the start. By contrast, out of nothing, "good" nor "bad" even mean anything. And to us, like apparently your biased experience you feign being unbiased, what is nothing, like death, is scary....thus is deemed "bad". But if we were born at all, this means we derived of a nothing and so it follows that only what is "bad" if any value existed, could exist PRIOR to what is "good".

I'll leave this to see if you can answer some of this. There is too much you start with in error that it makes anything you base upon these at odds logically.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Hello fancy seeing you here / how are you Trixie / hope you are fine

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger.

Define "modality" and then "the transient nature of it".

Modality is the nature of modes. The transient nature refers to the ephemeral transitions and impermanence of the modes. An example of this would be a commercial about bullshit shampoo or banking. Then the news media talks about their meaningless lives. And you realize these modes of action are impermanent. And you realize you wasted an hour of your life watching some bullshit and that everything is bullshit, even doing something productive and honest, because you will die and reading books will not tell you who you will be born as.

As to "ephemeral nature of moments", this reduces to simply "moment-like nature of moments". Perhaps "the present" would be simply more clear instead? Or, "the here and now", as some might say. But I can't tell what that statement means other than it sounds like a bad attempt at trying to sound like a magical guru.

No I am trying to sound cyberpunk like the youtube video. More like an anti-social hacker in a dank dark apartment somewhere. Not like hippie kombucha from flower fields 2000 years ago in India.

I prefer the Beatle's, "Across the Universe" for style. You also know that it was intentionally meant to be uninterpretable to any specific meaning so that the audience can 'fill in the blanks' openly. [In other words, beautiful non-sense]

It is not beeautiful nonsense. It is another language. It can be deciphered and understood once you reach a certain stage of evolution. However, even though it is English, it cannot be truly "got" even though it is English. It is like watching a movie as a kid and experiencing it one way, but after you reach a certain stage of evolution, even the visual aesthetics and dialogue of the movie seem like a different movie when you watch again it years later.

the ultimate philosophy is that life is simply 1 thing - energy and then it is separated into several modes - vision, sound, touch (physical touch and emotions are the same sense of energy), taste, smell, psychic, and essence.

Yes, E = mc² , nothing mystical about this. But this may conflict with your interpretation of a moment in time from the above considering energy requires it, AND space.

No E=mc2 has nothing to do with this quote. We are talking about the division of qualia here - Energy transforming into ingredients of fun.

So we have to thank the spiritual realms for this division. Because it is these divisions which give life flavor. Without it's flavor life would only be one form and one substance - the sin(e), and it would be boring. If you are an atheist, the spiritual realm you can call the qualia realm. the qualia is what creates "this" bonanza.

And "So"? It sounds like you just proved spirits exist because energy exists. You just simply equated the term "spirit" to mean "energy". But this is like opting to use the word, "God" to mean "Universe" when you will later TRANSFER these to be understood in a different definition. ["Spirit" was the word to actually mean "fluids that mysteriously produce life" originally because the ancients interpreted water and air as 'fluid' and to whatever nature they couldn't understand then to how these could provide for life.]

Again you are not getting the gist of the quote. It is irrelevant to the quote if spirits or do or do not exist. It is more like saying "thank the Heavens." Because people don't want to be blind or tasteless. So thank the heavens we have 7 senses and that something gave us that division.

PS: Aether is real and if spirits exist they are probably in the aether thus the ancients knew what they were talking about. Ancients probably had higher IQ's than moderns. Moderns are pathetic sheeple.

Define your 'sin(e)'. Besides the 'sin' part, what is your interpretation of 'sine'? "Qualia" is our secondary 'image' of reality by indirect measure through our senses. You likely simply mean "consciousness" but prefer Descartes' treatment that the sensations must be BEYOND the cause of the structure of the brain. It is actually the 'energy' exchanges AND mass of the neurons active at one time throughout the brain and nervous system.

A woman's sine is her pacing. She moves towards the positive then the negative. She loves her man then hates him an hour a later. That is the nature of yin, and sin. Yin, sin, Sine.
Qualia is the primary image of reality not secondary.

And HOW can you assert these SO specifically? The general 'senses' are actually classes of the senses many classically treated of those relaying most information from without. Technically, they DO include thought, emotions, etc, but are likely based on logical 'structures'. The 'form' they take defines what they are as complex data types in computers. We only interpret the data based on them like 'unique shape-type entities'.

The senses, the qualia, are separate. Taste is not touch, and Vision is not hearing.
However, touch and emotion are not so separate, and taste and smell are linked but more different than touch and emotion.

Unfortunately for you, we DO derive from absolute nothing, very literally. It doesn't rule out all the color in life nor to the possibilities that you may hope for in sincerity. But out of nothing, everything exists. The Egyptian's word (and 'god' figure) for water, was "Nun" (none!!); and the sky or air, was "Nut" (the nothing above that covers us from above). And this is prior to the mystic interpretation that tries to reverse the rolls. Oneness cannot perfectly exist and so derives its own contradiction. But one also derives from nothing, because by assuming absolutely nothing, if it were 'true' it would be ONE truth, namely that nothing exists. While both must then be simultaneously 'true', one cannot derive a nothing without losing consistency, which is itself a property of oneness. But by contrast, nothing CAN derive anything because it has no LAWS of anything to 'abide' by. That is, if not even the laws of physics nor logic exist in absolute nothing, like the wild, wild, west, it is in a state of lawlessness and so can even accidentally form patterns of possibilities that become 'law'.

So Nihilism (From nothingness) is valid. But your interpretation of it is scary if we simply let its lawlessness turn into some system of anarchy to live by. You take the reverse 'fallacy' to assume "good" as a similar type of value based on the assumption of oneness. You favored that value you egotistically interpret of your conscious being. But like the paradox of absolute oneness, "good", if original, would OWN the origin of "evil". And this is inconsistent with a "good" being(s) unless it COEXISTED with "evil" from the start. By contrast, out of nothing, "good" nor "bad" even mean anything. And to us, like apparently your biased experience you feign being unbiased, what is nothing, like death, is scary....thus is deemed "bad". But if we were born at all, this means we derived of a nothing and so it follows that only what is "bad" if any value existed, could exist PRIOR to what is "good".

I'll leave this to see if you can answer some of this. There is too much you start with in error that it makes anything you base upon these at odds logically.

Most of what you start from is error.

Not sure what you mean by oneness. In terms of existence, One is the same as Zero because contrast is needed for existence.

Good refers to a certain sublime set of patterns of energies. It is what I referred as "genius". Because the default state is Agon, Annui, Boredom. But the inherent miracle of DnA allows a baby to be born. And with the labor of geniuses, the baby receives quality entertainment. Again, all provided by DnA, for example a Lake and Forest makes the baby happy, or it's mother's milk, until it is Corrupted into Nihilism.

[Scott Mayers]

Trixie,

I can't follow you because you don't appear consistent and appear to be 'fogging' clarity. This is fine for entertainment just as I pointed out about the Beatle's "Across the Universe", a tune I like with its lyrics being just as 'foggy'. There CAN be value in speaking broadly to entice appeal. Entertainers are artists who become MORE popular precisely based on HOW universally they appeal to others by using words that obscure because they allow us to interpret things most personally and because the words being used actually have no specifically defined meaning. When one uses the word, "I", for instance, the pronoun enables the listener to interpret that as a variable to which in poetry IS a variable, like an 'X' in an algebraic equation.

The problems only occur if and where people all of a sudden assert that there IS some specific meaning that requires people to INVEST more into it, when the variable nature of it actually PREVENTS us from seeing this delusion (trick). As such, if you assert something specifically true using variables, you have to be certain that you present more information, not less.

Example:


2x + y = 11

The way I hear you speak, is as though you are misleading people into thinking that the above equation has only ONE specific 'true' statement. But x can be of many different specific values which then determines what y will be (and vice versa). This would be a kind of 'logic' that an artist might use but with the variables replaced by terms like "love", or "beauty", or "spirit", which though are themselves potentially real, do not specifically assert WHAT those values are. This was useful (and still is) if the lesson's one is trying to convey is about the LOGIC of the algebra itself, not the particular values they hold. But this is NOT what you are coming across as if only perhaps because you may lack HOW to be more precise about what you are intending to communicate. The approach is alright for the rhetoric needed to get the attention as an opening. But if it continues this way throughout, it only becomes MORE not LESS obscure. And because we have to be cautious of when or where people often use this type of method to realistically abuse others, we must take more care to limit the rhetoric as the 'politics' to add value to some logic, not AS a logical means itself except when it is ONLY for entertainment.

For the above algebraic statement, to make a 'truth' we can interpret from it requires that we either determine what y is, if we want to show what x is as a 'truth' OR determine what x is to determine y.

IF you want to stress the 'variety' of reality, then it is the LOGIC (the algebra) that you want people to realize, not the literal constants that the variables could be filled with. In this way, just as logic is itself more formally presented, you have to try to be as CLEAR as possible to things like very specific definitions. That is why I was picking on you for the 'way' you used those words you chose. You appear to be trying to emphasize something about a 'logic' but are using a 'rhetoric' that is too broad to be interpreted....or must require more depth of investment to entertain it. If it is this last, there is no problem. It's nice to get to know people with certain mystery.

A note on the 'mystic' approach: the Egyptians had begun this along with the East Indians as a clever means to entice people to actually THINK using the 'rhetoric' to tease us into puzzles which serve to both APPEAL and to partially HIDE the solution in a way that makes people discover the truth for themselves. This is what became the "Zen" way too because we as humans have a better internal means to ABSORB what we discover on our own than to merely be TOLD what is or is not 'true'. I'm all for this if done with care. But this is an art of the magician in that the idea is to present a REAL illusion that surprises us because in reality, there are other perspectives we miss. But there is a line we draw to this approach regarding the difference between one asserting they are purposely conjuring some illusion, and to one who may be using these tactics to purposely deceive, ....especially if they demand or allow others to interpret of you as literally real, not simply an illusion. This then transfers over to the arena of the 'con artist' and why I am concerned only. Today, magicians are understood to be purposeful entertainers who don't expect you to actually interpret their tricks as real (even if they might possibly be). In the past, the 'magi' were the original mystics who may have had sincere reasons to 'hide' their believed wisdom simply because the alternative to be so open might cause problems realistically. We too do this in our personal lives when we want to convey things without directly being honest where such 'honesty' can create more harm if one does not allow those people to self-discover the truth independent of apparent force. [..,like Socrates, by the way, who used questions to entice but was eventually deemed criminal for the very power of it to equally be abused by the very rhetoric of the Sophists he despised]

So do you understand why I'm questioning what you said so far?