Government food, clothing and shelter

[The Transvaluator]

In the middle ages, it took 99% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

The modern era, it takes 1% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

For that reason alone, nevermind everything else, either wages should be 100 or at least 10 times more than what they are, or food, clothing and shelter should be 100 or at least 10 times cheaper than what they are. I don't care about anything else, at the end of the day, essential goods and services like food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are all that matter. I don't even care about education, privatize it, or privatize more of it, I don't care. Government should erect millions of cheap apartments and they should either be free, or next to it. A 20 to 40 hour work week should be optional, for those who want the extras. Millions upon billions of people shouldn't have to manufacture useless crap in order to eat, that's the bottom line. In turn, we will save our planet, it's the right thing to do. The only thing that's holding us back is the elite, and the hold they have over the populace. Labor is going the way of the dinosaur, it's practically obsolete. Our system doesn't need a tune up, it needs an overhaul.

[HexHammer]

That would mean less money for the state, the state is greedy, the cost of these new apartments would be sky high, and wouldn't be feaseable to build.

[bobevenson]

The only thing that's holding us back is the elite, and the hold they have over the populace. Labor is going the way of the dinosaur, it's practically obsolete.

I guess what you're saying is that rich people got rich by stealing from other people. I guess they should all be put in jail, huh? Who do you want to start with, Bill Gates? Approximately 250 million people in the U.S. have jobs. I don't think labor will be going the way of the dinosaur any time soon.

[The Voice of Time]

The Transvaluator, I think you are forgetting that you are speaking of an extremely boring and meaningless world. Most of the workforce that has been allocated away from farming is now used to create variety in society, make people happy and allow them a life rich in experience and opportunities.

Also, food, clothing and shelter is already provided for in almost every developed country to everyone who doesn't effectively shy away from what they are given, and in the undeveloped countries people simply lack a desire to cooperate sufficiently that the most basic things might be provided for. They are going from the early middle ages and sometimes from the stone age and straight into modernity at rapid speed, and this makes it very difficult to accomplish anything in their lives of the kind that is happening in developed world, where people have the mental and physical tools necessary to accomplish these things.

[Skip]

Transvaluator, what you're overlooking is that you are speaking of and to an insane species.
If we had any sense, we would never have invented kings, genocide, ayatollahs, hydrogen bombs, generals, refined sugar, indentured servitude, popes, compound interest, the rack, child pornography, prisons or high heels.
Of-bloody-course we could always fed, clothed, housed and kept everyone interestingly occupied all along. We just didn't want to.

[SpheresOfBalance]

In the middle ages, it took 99% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

The modern era, it takes 1% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

For that reason alone, nevermind everything else, either wages should be 100 or at least 10 times more than what they are, or food, clothing and shelter should be 100 or at least 10 times cheaper than what they are. I don't care about anything else, at the end of the day, essential goods and services like food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are all that matter. I don't even care about education, privatize it, or privatize more of it, I don't care. Government should erect millions of cheap apartments and they should either be free, or next to it. A 20 to 40 hour work week should be optional, for those who want the extras. Millions upon billions of people shouldn't have to manufacture useless crap in order to eat, that's the bottom line. In turn, we will save our planet, it's the right thing to do. The only thing that's holding us back is the elite, and the hold they have over the populace. Labor is going the way of the dinosaur, it's practically obsolete. Our system doesn't need a tune up, it needs an overhaul.

I'm with you in terms of overhaul, that's what's needed for all, whether they know it or not. Of course we may disagree on the finer details.

[henry quirk]

TV,

Here's a crazy, whacked out, notion: how about you do what you need to and take care of 'you' and let other folks do the same for themselves.

All this worryin' after what 'should be' can blind a body to 'what is'.

Shelter, feed, and clothe 'you' (and yours) and let the rest fend for themselves.

[SpheresOfBalance]

I find them comical, those that speak of armchair anarchy, as if they would really have a chance if their armchair was removed, probably the first to taste flint or obsidian!

[The Transvaluator]

TV,

Here's a crazy, whacked out, notion: how about you do what you need to and take care of 'you' and let other folks do the same for themselves.

All this worryin' after what 'should be' can blind a body to 'what is'.

Shelter, feed, and clothe 'you' (and yours) and let the rest fend for themselves.

Unless you're a hick, someone feeds, clothes and shelters you in exchange for cash. I'm not asking for free shit, I'm asking for cheaper shit, due to the currencies being artificially devalued and inflated by the central banks, due to mass emigration of jobs and immigration of workers, due to labor becoming more and more obsolescent, due to the rich hoarding essential goods and services, charging us an arm and a leg, practically holding us hostage, when they can produce these goods and services cheaper with 100 times less labor they we could before, and, due to the depletion of natural resources.

[The Transvaluator]

In the middle ages, it took 99% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

The modern era, it takes 1% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

For that reason alone, nevermind everything else, either wages should be 100 or at least 10 times more than what they are, or food, clothing and shelter should be 100 or at least 10 times cheaper than what they are. I don't care about anything else, at the end of the day, essential goods and services like food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are all that matter. I don't even care about education, privatize it, or privatize more of it, I don't care. Government should erect millions of cheap apartments and they should either be free, or next to it. A 20 to 40 hour work week should be optional, for those who want the extras. Millions upon billions of people shouldn't have to manufacture useless crap in order to eat, that's the bottom line. In turn, we will save our planet, it's the right thing to do. The only thing that's holding us back is the elite, and the hold they have over the populace. Labor is going the way of the dinosaur, it's practically obsolete. Our system doesn't need a tune up, it needs an overhaul.

I'm with you in terms of overhaul, that's what's needed for all, whether they know it or not. Of course we may disagree on the finer details.

Finer details?

[The Transvaluator]

Transvaluator, what you're overlooking is that you are speaking of and to an insane species.
If we had any sense, we would never have invented kings, genocide, ayatollahs, hydrogen bombs, generals, refined sugar, indentured servitude, popes, compound interest, the rack, child pornography, prisons or high heels.
Of-bloody-course we could always fed, clothed, housed and kept everyone interestingly occupied all along. We just didn't want to.

In the main, I'm not opposed to any of those things you mentioned.

I'm not opposed to the lion hunting the lamb, the shearer sheering the sheep, nor am I opposed to capitalists capitalizing on capital, what I'm oppose to is hyper-predation/exploitation, not predation/exploitation in and of itself, but when taken to extremes, like when it's not only bad for the prey/exploited, but for the predator/exploiter, and everyone/everything in the vicinity. I'm not a altruistic socialist, more a (reciprocal) egoistic socialist. Additionally, if I was in the top tier, I'd probably still be complaining, but not as much.

[henry quirk]

"hick"

HA!

So: someone who self-relies is a 'hick'.

By that logic: someone who is fed, clothed, sheltered by another is a 'sophisticate'.

Thank god I'm a country boy with my shotgun and dirty bare feet.

Lord, save me from the caterwauling (and parasitical agendas) of the incapable sophisticates!

[Blaggard]

"hick"

HA!

So: someone who self-relies is a 'hick'.

By that logic: someone who is fed, clothed, sheltered by another is a 'sophisticate'.

Thank god I'm a country boy with my shotgun and dirty bare feet.

Lord, save me from the caterwauling (and parasitical agendas) of the incapable sophisticates!

Well that polemic was interesting, in a complete straw man sort of way. I too am happy, where by I mean you can live in a country of inveritable self reliant people who rely on a shotgun and dirty bare feet to show just how much of an individual you are compared to the rest of the Western world. Congratulations...

I will though add what has that to do with what anyone else said, any more than the gauge of your shot gun has to do with the size of your ego or the lack of shoes has to do with your perspicacity, or wit, or worthiness?

Suffice to say nice rant I give it 7/10 for not actually referring to anything, 8/10 for wildly not actually making any real point and 10/10 for being kinda weird in context but none the less inane.

For an overall score on the rant scale of 8. something. Well done. Although you may not win the gold medal in inane banter, I am sure that is enough for silver.

No one accused anyone of being a hick, although if you really see that as a hot potato perhaps you are one, who knows or cares, hick or literati, it only counts if you make some valid point about something. Whilst I can rant with the best of them though, I have seldom seen a finer example so if you don't get silver at least in the world rant championships you were robbed...

You go on chewing that straw son and talking in that funny way, I am pretty sure it'll not matter.

[henry quirk]

Blags,

You got no sense of humor...jeez.

[SpheresOfBalance]

In the middle ages, it took 99% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

The modern era, it takes 1% of the population to feed 100% of the population.

For that reason alone, nevermind everything else, either wages should be 100 or at least 10 times more than what they are, or food, clothing and shelter should be 100 or at least 10 times cheaper than what they are. I don't care about anything else, at the end of the day, essential goods and services like food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are all that matter. I don't even care about education, privatize it, or privatize more of it, I don't care. Government should erect millions of cheap apartments and they should either be free, or next to it. A 20 to 40 hour work week should be optional, for those who want the extras. Millions upon billions of people shouldn't have to manufacture useless crap in order to eat, that's the bottom line. In turn, we will save our planet, it's the right thing to do. The only thing that's holding us back is the elite, and the hold they have over the populace. Labor is going the way of the dinosaur, it's practically obsolete. Our system doesn't need a tune up, it needs an overhaul.

I'm with you in terms of overhaul, that's what's needed for all, whether they know it or not. Of course we may disagree on the finer details.

Finer details?

I'm just saying that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World," and contained within that notion, is much complexity, and millions of ways of trying to achieve a balanced version. I have one version that I believe is the proper one:

That all governments, stop the money train. Abolish politics! Instead a "Round Table" of PhD's from every field of study, tops in their fields, are the governing force, such that decisions are based purely upon scientific data, the relative truths of things, as the round table of PhD's vote on all things that are to be our direction. This to me is the only sound means from a global human perspective. Especially in dealing with some mens' excesses, beyond their needs. This, to me, the only means of equilibrium amongst men and the symbiosis that they all so much literally depend upon, the animals ecological biosphere. It just makes the most sense, in this day and age, where some mens' selfishness and greed rules the detriment of all our future livelihood as a species.