Celibacy or Tantric?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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As a philosopher, do you find that celibacy or tantric sex are effective tools in obtaining new philosophical insights?





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[Skip]

Nope.
The internet, now....!

[Bill Wiltrack]

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You mean...like you sublimate sex for being on the internet, now...?

[Skip]

Keee-rist! Where do you get those gross images? Never mind.... more to the point, why?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I was trying to interpret your earlier post.


I took a look at this thread again a week or so after you posted and I realized I could actually just barely understand what you meant...


How'd I do?


I really like your post by the way.


Now that I understand what you meant.



Thank you for having the courage to reply.


I know for most here this type of thread scares members - even though they are hiding behind a phony moniker.


Hard to figure people out.



I'm assuming that was a pretty accurate picture that I used of individuals such as us um,...sublimating, on the internet.



It struck a chord with you. An inconvenient truth?





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[Skip]

Good grief! No, i was only joking, as i assumed you were. Only saying that internet discussion stimulates my [never ravenous] appetite for philosophy.
I've actually never made any connection between sex (or lack of, or sublimation of) and philosophy - or, for that matter, thinking: all my concern with sex has been purely practical. Indeed, i have often wondered why so many serious-minded men* expand so much intellectual effort and verbiage on a function that any dumb squirrel can perform - or refrain from. It's only one of the aspects of corporeal existence.

So-bloody-what?

*I'm pretty sure women don't intellectualize the hell out of sex. Worry about it, yes, but worry it like a dead sock, no.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Okay - OKAY - Settle down. I did not mean any disrespect.


It's just that for a male, we can use the sex energy to enhance our philosophical interests with sublimation...or,...so I've heard, through tantric sex.

[Skip]

Really? Fine - i guess.
(PS. I wasn't excited. Maybe that's a failing?)

[Bill Wiltrack]

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No, it is good that you wasn't excited. It's not a failing.


If you are a male...how do you feel about what I said in reference to sex drive and philosophical perspective?

[SpheresOfBalance]

You really are a sex freak, huh? I have heard, like I'm sure many have, that if one does not experience sexual relief after much time, they can become frustrated, edgy, angry. I think that there may be some truth to it. So I guess in this sense ones ability to think clearly may be affected by release, or no, unless of course you're a eunuch.

[Skip]

I'll have to get back to this. Ran out of time.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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..........................Nikola Tesla used his sex energy to increase his inventive & philosophical juices.



On 7 January 1943, Nikola Tesla, 86, died alone in Room 3327 of the New Yorker Hotel.


Despite having sold his AC electricity patents, and about 300 other world-wide patents,Tesla died impoverished and in debt.



Tesla read many works, memorizing complete books, and supposedly possessed a photographic memory. He was a polyglot, speaking eight languages: Serbo-Croatian, Czech, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, and Latin.


Tesla claimed to never sleep more than two hours.


Tesla probably suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in his later years. He developed a hatred of jewelry and round objects, could not bear to touch hair, did not like to shake hands, and became obsessed with the number three—he often felt compelled to walk around a block three times before entering a building, and demanded 18 napkins (a number divisible by three) to polish his silver and glasses and plates until they were impeccable whenever he went dining.


Tesla never married, claiming that his chastity was very helpful to his scientific abilities.[169] However, towards the end of his life, he told a reporter, "Sometimes I feel that by not marrying, I made too great a sacrifice to my work....


He had no hobby, cared for no sort of amusement of any kind and lived in utter disregard of the most elementary rules of hygiene.



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[Skip]

I am in no way qualified to comment on Tesla.

But i did sort of agree to think about this:

we can use the sex energy to enhance our philosophical interests with sublimation...or,...so I've heard, through tantric sex.

So i thought about it and,on the whole, i still say no. Instances can be found of creative men who are/were: 1. celibate and/or 2.ascetic and/or 3.crazy and/or 4. unhappy or 5. promiscuous and happy/unhappy and/or 6. married or 7. happily married to a homemaker/career woman/colleague/man with/without children, who lived 1. hard and briefly 2. to a difficult/comfortable middle age 3. productive/demented/bedridden old age, and achieved 1. success and celebrity in his lifetime or 2. early failure but later acceptance by peers or 3. derided to suicide; posthumous recognition.

Their sex drive and practice doesn't effect, let alone cause their success or failure, output or happiness. Their character and environment do. Sexuality falls on as broad a spectrum as creativity. I think the preoccupation with harnessing or sublimating or suppressing the libido in intellectual endeavours is a holdover from religion (which is all about taboo and obstacles in the competition for seats in heaven), which got it from primitive superstition (magic; power; control over nature), which got it from the reproductive imperative of natural man. That is, early people understood that making babies guaranteed the survival of their clans, and so placed a very high value on fertility, both male and female.

More probably, men just like to imagine that whatever they think about, whatever they do, whatever they want must have some profound meaning, some huge significance. It mostly doesn't.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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.............................................................................................Wow...EXCELLENT post!



I'm your new fan.


Thank you for responding. Very intelligent & insightful viewpoint.








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[Hjarloprillar]

Celibacy.

Sex is boring and requires other people.
i dont like other people