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Re: Misogyny

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Satyr wrote: I only hope that Hypatia was not as masculine in attitude as she was in thought.
Uh-oh, do you see what you just did there?

You started with the assumption that doing mathematics is an inherently male kind of thought. Then, when confronted by the example of a female mathematician, you responded by claiming that she was "masculine in thought". This saves you from being forced to accept that a woman could be a mathematician, but at the cost of having had to redefine masculine and feminine. Now all mathematical thought, even when done by a woman, is "masculine", but only because you have defined the term masculine in that way, and not because of any inherent properties of women and men. You now have an argument which is circular, and hence useless.

I think what you have done may be a kind of "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
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Yes...and if I found a female that offered insights into the human condition outside prescribed methods and group efforts, I would say there's an exception to the rule.

If I find a Gorilla using sign language I will try to figure out what produced this extraordinary case, rather than thinking that all gorillas can do this.

A rule stands if no exceptions are provided to a degree where it needs to be adjusted.
One female in billions upon billions, through the ages, is not evidence.
It is an extraordinary case demanding extraordinary causes.

I have no doubt that females are great contributors to all the philosophies, sciences and the arts...but none of them has ever revolutionized thought or science or art nor established new schools of thought and art or revolutionized science.

Did you see what you did?
You used one rare case to dismiss the rule.
So, if you find a white black bear you will have to assume that black bears are white.
Do not seek an explanation elsewhere.
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mickthinks wrote:I believe you just invented those 'facts', Satty. They aren't real, they are just things that women-haters like to imagine are true ...
Satyr wrote:They follow recipes brilliantly.
Do you have evidence that women follow recipes better than men do?

... there are no real culinary female innovators.
Can you cite some evidence for the claim that all culinary innovation is by men rather than women?

... females fail to be as funny as men.
Even Hitchens didn't make that claim! But maybe he would have done if he had your evidence. What evidence do you have?
I have no evidence that pigs cannot fly.

I only know that none has ever done so, as you must offer an example of a great innovator in cooking which is female.

I like how you easily excuse Hitchens.
His fame makes him more of an authority.

Did you listen to his claims?
What claims did he make?
He claims that men and masculine females are funny.
The masculine element is implied. He explains the evolutionary reasons.

Also interesting how you do not get into comedy, because here the differences are so striking as to be everywhere.
No female comedian can compare to the best male ones...and the only ones that even come close, are dykes.

If you think the cutesy crap Ellen DeGeneres or Lisa Lampanelli or Roseanne Barr vomits compares to a Chris Rock or George Carlin or Bill Hicks then you lack the mental flexibility taste requires.

The same thing goes for cooking. Here females are good supportive elements. they follow the status quo, they follow recipes.
Men try to break the rules and innovate. They improvise and create.
This is why males are dominant in all fields and they lead in innovating, and advancing them.
Females contribute, sometimes brilliantly, but rarely innovate and when they do they are part of a group or a team.

If after thousands of years Hypatia and Ayn Rand is what we have as examples of females thinkers, then what poor examples they are.

In my experience my mother was a good cook. she followed her own mother's recipes perfectly and held our traditions intact.
My father, on the other hand, was a hit or miss cook. He could not help but add his own ingredient. A few times it worked, but mostly it resulted in distasteful results.
Now I find myself following his example.
I see a television show with a recipe I want to try.
I start off well but then I cannot help myself: I must add my own touch.

Men challenge the status quo, females follow it diligently.
Men hover around mediocrity, men are about hit or miss. they either come up with works of genius or worthless crap.

This is why once females have been freed from a culture's traditions the culture disappears.
The current War on Terror and Globalization, is a war on cultures.
It is an all-leveling bulldozer. It begins by "emancipating" females not from masculine dominance but from the males carrying cultural traditions other than this modern nihilistic one.
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Re: Misogyny

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Satyr wrote:I have no evidence that pigs cannot fly.
Really? Have you not noticed the absence of anything resembling wings?

I only know that none has ever done so.
But how did you come to believe that without evidence? Act of faith?

No female comedian can compare to the best male ones...
That is merely your opinion. Do you really think Carlin is funny?

... and the only ones that even come close, are dykes.
It's like you think lesbians don't count as women!

The rest of your reply is just a further unsubstantiated outpouring of similarly mistaken beliefs.
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Re: Misogyny

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mickthinks wrote:
Satyr wrote:I have no evidence that pigs cannot fly.
Really? Have you not noticed the absence of anything resembling wings?

I only know that none has ever done so.
But how did you come to believe that without evidence? Act of faith?

No female comedian can compare to the best male ones...
That is merely your opinion. Do you really think Carlin is funny?

... and the only ones that even come close, are dykes.
It's like you think lesbians don't count as women!

The rest of your reply is just a further unsubstantiated outpouring of similarly mistaken beliefs.
Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman, Ellen de Generes, Victoria Wood, Miranda Hart? I've seen lots of hilarious female stand-ups. I don't tend to remember their names though, just as I don't always remember the male ones. I watch a lot of stand-up.
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For sure.

Especially Joan Rivers.
Hiiiiilarious.

You are about as aware about this as you were when you interjected with...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

....when WotWot told me that she doesn't have to sample bachelors to know they are unmarried.

Silverman?
Hiiilarious.

I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
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Satyr wrote:For sure.

Especially Joan Rivers.
Hiiiiilarious.

You are about as aware about this as you were when you interjected with...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

....when WotWot told me that she doesn't have to sample bachelors to know they are unmarried.

Silverman?
Hiiilarious.

I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
You might not think those women are funny but many people do.
Hitchens definitely didn't hate women.
The only personal trait that men have in abundance and women have always lacked is confidence, along with the cultural factor of opportunity. That's fast changing, which is why women are coming to dominate areas in ways that were previously unheard of. Don't you just hate that, goat-man? TOUGH TITTIES!!!!
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Re: Misogyny

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reasonvemotion wrote:Then which women deserve love, and which women do not?

If a man falls in love with a woman, he would think she was deserving of his love . If this woman rejects his love, would she then become undeserving? What of unrequited love. Is it a love that some people prefer rather than no love at all.

Unrequited love is misdirected and unwelcome. It cannot be lived with and is best set aside.


Which woman is worth sacrificing for, and which women are not?

This is not a question that follows on from the above statement, any more than this one:
Which man is worth sacrificing for, and which men are not?


What is it that you are proposing to sacrifice? Does one have to sacrifice to love?

Love and sacrifice are antithetical. You can give things up for love - but if they feel like sacrifice then the love is false. True love is only given willingly, or is it something else.

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Re: Misogyny

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Satyr wrote:I recall a story about a talking gorilla.

Coco the Gorilla
This exceptional gorilla only serves to show the limitations of the average member of that group.

Einstein the Bird
There's no telling what upper limits of potential training can attain.
Imitation, like knowledge, is often mistaken for intelligence.

I only hope that Hypatia was not as masculine in attitude as she was in thought.
Still being a contributor to a discipline is notable, but not as much as being an innovator of a new discipline.
I may participate in a team that contributes to a particular art-form but this is not the same as saying that I invent an art-form.
One adds to the already existing, the other goes outside of it and forges a new path.

The ironic thing is that those who make the best contributions are the ones least able to provide revolutionary paths.
To contribute to the established requires that you submit to its premises, only wanting to enhance it.
To revolutionize thinking or art or anything, requires one to then reject the established, to deconstruct it and to recombine it in a new way.

Females make wonderful bakers. They follow recipes brilliantly.
But, when it comes to stepping outside the recipe and inventing a new cake, they leave it up to males.
It's interesting that in cooking, where females having been condemned to the kitchen for so long, there are no real culinary female innovators.
Even in comedy where some creativity and thinking outside the box is required, females fail to be as funny as men.

The late, great, Christopher Hitchens:
An Immodest Rebuttal
Women in Comedy

But, as I'm sure most of you know, Hitchens hated women, was never loved by his mother, and had a small penis.
so, again, his personal situation dismisses his hateful opinions and he got what he deserved.
You have seen Hitchens' penis? I've seen no evidence for any of those assertions. He was too rational a person to hate any particular group of people.
Satyr dreams of penises, but cannot have had knowledge of CH's.
He has nothing but lies concerning CH.
Hitch 22 has a different story.
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Re: Misogyny

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
mickthinks wrote:
Satyr wrote:I have no evidence that pigs cannot fly.
Really? Have you not noticed the absence of anything resembling wings?

I only know that none has ever done so.
But how did you come to believe that without evidence? Act of faith?

No female comedian can compare to the best male ones...
That is merely your opinion. Do you really think Carlin is funny?

... and the only ones that even come close, are dykes.
It's like you think lesbians don't count as women!

The rest of your reply is just a further unsubstantiated outpouring of similarly mistaken beliefs.
Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman, Ellen de Generes, Victoria Wood, Miranda Hart? I've seen lots of hilarious female stand-ups. I don't tend to remember their names though, just as I don't always remember the male ones. I watch a lot of stand-up.
Roni Ancona; Doon Mackichan...

Hardly dykes.
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I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
Did he? He married twice, and remained married up until his death.

He was a disappointment for the Jews.

If FiH was still here, imagine the barrage we would get on that one.
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Re: Misogyny

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reasonvemotion wrote:
I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
Did he? He married twice, and remained married up until his death.
Women loved him, so it's unlikely he would have hated them, apart from the fact that there's no evidence to suggest he hated women. He hated Mother Teresa though.
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Re: Misogyny

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reasonvemotion wrote:
I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
Did he? He married twice, and remained married up until his death.

He was a disappointment for the Jews.

That's a stupid thing to say.
There is no way you can speak for an entire religion, or group of people who choose to identify themselves racially.

If FiH was still here, imagine the barrage we would get on that one.
As an atheist Hitch was no Jew.
Hitch was not brought up as a Jew, and realised that defining himself as such was meaningless.
The fact that his mother had Jewish 'roots' was of little significance.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
reasonvemotion wrote:
I miss Hitchens.
He hated women as well.
Did he? He married twice, and remained married up until his death.
Women loved him, so it's unlikely he would have hated them, apart from the fact that there's no evidence to suggest he hated women. He hated Mother Teresa though. :)
He did not hate her as a woman. He had the same contempt for her that he did for any other deluded religious megalomaniac.
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chaz wyman wrote:
Satyr dreams of penises, but cannot have had knowledge of CH's.
He has nothing but lies concerning CH.
Hitch 22 has a different story.
Your insights into this matter are as breathtakingly obtuse as those concerning evolution.
I'm still awaiting your lessons, my new master...for the other one is fizzling out and I seek a new mentor to guide me.

The only penis you dream of is the one you cut-off to become modern.
Then you discovered that your sacrifice for getting laid contained an error in judgment.
How does a man with no penis get laid?
You compromised, and stuck cocks up your rectum, feeling the glory of being female.
You purchase replacement cocks, like things and cars and careers and bling-bling..but then you noticed the fleeting disgust in their eyes.

It's ironic that females feel so attracted to men that tell them exactly what they are and do not shower them with flowery lies and hollow hopes.
In the end a woman wants to be a woman...but homos, like chazzy still dream of lesbian encounters in the dark...with joysticks and Vaseline jars.

Imagine the ruse when the religious Jew tore off his robes and put on a secular uniform but continued to preach the same self-effacing, life-hating, crap.
Viruses evolve...they sometimes mimic the body's autoimmune system.
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