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I don't say anything about that. I just ask secularists to show, with reference to nothing but their secularism, how they can justify imposing any moral duty, obligation, law, precept or requirement on anybody, including themselves. And they can't seem to do it. That's really telling. And that's th...

No, the question at THIS POINT is not about "secularism". Yeah, it is...and only about that. You want to switch away for this reason: that you have no answer. But that makes you the same as every other person who tries to do it. It cannot be done. You insist the secularists can't do this ...

The closest you get to doing so is to dismiss her argument: ??? That's the point, Will. I don't agree with her. It's called "refutation." ...refutation takes a bit more effort. I've given you the evidence...you don't pay attention to it. The current public school model in America was inst...

...a majority of American voters did something stupid in 2024, voting for Trump despite already knowing what he is like. Well, the alternative was a manifestly senile Biden, mobilized by Jill and who knows who, for what purposes. This much, the Dems are now admitting, that Joe was senile, and they ...

You are also using presumptions about what this God wants to do, intends, This isn't true, but it has nothing to do with the question anyway. So I could grant it to you for argument's sake, and stilll, you've said nothing to the point. The question is about what secularism can warrant by its own li...

IC,why are you so quick to pooh-pooh "feelings". Can you make it a duty, an "ought" or obligatory to have a "feeling"? Can you base a law, a rule, a justice action or a principle on a "feeling," and then require others to agree with that law, rule, principle,...

Because I've asked the question a hundred times, and nobody is ever able to give one secular justification for even one moral precept. A 100% record of failure is pretty darn convincing. WHAT SECULARIST? Any. I'll take an answer from any. If one can do it, they have success...they've defeated my ar...

That is not logical, my friend. 1 and 2 don't make a logical syllogism. Never-the-less, that's the way it is. What a stupid question. There's no "you," and no possibility of 'believing" in a Determined universe. Your brain states would be predetermined, not chosen, and there would be...

to act against one's conscience is self-deception. Try to give an example of this self-deception from your own experience. Everyone deceives themselves, so you should be able to come up with an example. If one is on an island without other living beings on it, then there is no such thing as "c...

It has nothing to do with me. I knew you couldn't do it. No, what you knew was that is was irrelevant. It's absolutely relevant to know such a thing when considering anything you say. It's too bad you can't prove it. I'll simply ask you the question again: what's your evidence that you have a moral...

Why don't you tell me the answer: why is it wrong for an Atheist to cheat? Because if society would benefit from everyone playing by the rules and a society has set up a reasonable set of rules to better serve the welfare of the society of citizens, then it is counterproductive to others for someon...

Prove that you're not delusional and full of crap. It has nothing to do with me. I knew you couldn't do it. No, what you knew was that is was irrelevant. What you said was "you couldn't do it." But the one who "couldn't do it" wasn't me. I was the one who posed the challenge: wh...

Are you saying that a society couldn't decide on rational rules to govern the behavior of its members for the benefit of all if there is no God? No. But I am saying there's no reason for me to feel bound by those rules, so long as I think I can get away with something. The indifferent universe does...

Why don't you tell me the answer: why is it wrong for an Atheist to cheat? Because if society would benefit from everyone playing by the rules and a society has set up a reasonable set of rules to better serve the welfare of the society of citizens, then it is counterproductive to others for someon...

So, not paying attention to scientific data and smoking because you immensely enjoy it and think, to the best of your reckoning based on your limited knowledge, that there is a chance that it won't kill you at an early age (as happened with Aunt Mathilde) is "lying to yourself"? If he sin...