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by SJM1970
Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:08 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion
Replies: 25
Views: 10154

Re: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion

No. Because "ending well" is here analyzable. My biggest argument is that it depraves people of morality, of their abilities to see value in other humans, when you perform abortions that aren't strictly necessary. I think a baby is both a person and a human, but they live in relation to o...
by SJM1970
Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:48 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion
Replies: 25
Views: 10154

Re: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion

So how do you think this impacts on abortion? Like my Twilight Zone Button thought experiment if you cause another being with full moral value to be existentially dependent on you as far as I see, if you are consistent with other already commonly used moral precepts you owe the use of your body. No...
by SJM1970
Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:18 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

Can you kill someone just because no one cares about this individual? No. Actually, you can...as in the case of Terry Schiavo. Here we have legal precedent that it is actually lawful to kill a human being. And popularity wasn't even an issue. Half wanted her to live and the other half wanted her to...
by SJM1970
Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:23 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

Abortion is not related to this episode of the TZ. Push a button and a person will not be born is not the same as a person who do not know will die. The series is a reflection on things we do everyday such as support out troops in foreign countries; capital punishment; rationing of resources; greed...
by SJM1970
Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:54 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion
Replies: 25
Views: 10154

Re: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion

So holding the man accountable even if it means using his body against his will is a reasonable stance to take? There are numerous already existing situations where people's body is used against their will, for instance where you're sent to do work for the public because you did some crime. Also, t...
by SJM1970
Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:35 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

First most abortions aren't because the mothers life is at risk. But say it was and you looked at Boonin's toxic waste argument and there was a risk the tenant would die. Would the fact that the tenant would be missed more and the infant not at all or very much less, mean that we should allow the i...
by SJM1970
Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:35 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

Yes its not about abortion but i can play with to make it so. Also notice the guy at 9.30 asks what if a baby were to die if they push the button. It isn't a person after all. So why not? Many say abortion is ok because the foetus isn't a person, exactly the point the Post Birth Abortion paper make...
by SJM1970
Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:19 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

Abortion is not related to this episode of the TZ. Push a button and a person will not be born is not the same as a person who do not know will die. The series is a reflection on things we do everyday such as support out troops in foreign countries; capital punishment; rationing of resources; greed...
by SJM1970
Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:12 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

The above is somewhat more formal but I think I can distill it down. 1. Would you push the button if there was a 25% chance a stranger with no social ties could die? 2. Would you push the button if there was a 25% chance a unwated baby could die? 3. Would you push the button if there was a unwanted ...
by SJM1970
Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:59 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion
Replies: 25
Views: 10154

Re: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion

So holding the man accountable even if it means using his body against his will is a reasonable stance to take?
by SJM1970
Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:13 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Re: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

The extremes should be easy. Though i might be wrong If you put bodily autonomy above all else you could push the button for every choice where something would end up in your body regardless as to whether it used to be a person or not. If the individual took an extreme personhood view the even a hea...
by SJM1970
Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:02 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion in the The Twilight Zone
Replies: 18
Views: 8604

Abortion in the The Twilight Zone

A abortion thought experiment based on the The Twilight Zone episode: Button, Button http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-N4fs2yolE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcbP-625 ... ure=relmfu Orginal episode saw you push a button get $200000 and someone would die; I'd like to run through some variations on ...
by SJM1970
Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:42 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 106
Views: 34569

Re: Abortion

While we are talking about philosophy and TV shows and movies, I'd like to do a Twlight Zone thread based on the Button Button episode and link it to abortion. A new thread? Any takers? I don't know the episode can you link it? Wait... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-N4fs2yolE http://www.youtube.c...
by SJM1970
Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:15 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion
Replies: 25
Views: 10154

Re: David Boonin's Toxic Waste argument & Abortion

not read it, but your short summary sounds reasonable enough. The problem of abortion is of course that people often have a hard time treating foetuses as "people", or what you call "moral entity". To me a foetus is a person, but to others it just doesn't live up to the definiti...
by SJM1970
Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:23 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 106
Views: 34569

Re: Abortion

some threads never end do they? I usually retreat from the chaos of thread after it reaches 5 pages. It just becomes a mess to try and catch up with things and sort out all the silly stuff. Yeah - considering the content of my last post and comparing it to the title - er..... The phrase lost the th...