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I am using "mutable" to express that we (as a species) are mutable. If you didn't know what I meant when I spoke of immutable morality why didn't you just ask instead of making up your own buillshit vocabulary and arguing against random strawmen? You don't understand any of moral philosop...

We, the chimps, and the bonobos, are all approximately the same distance apart You see, Mike, this is where the thesis from which you're working becomes severely problematic for any moral justification. Let's say I agree with you: human beings are sophisticated bonobos. Or chimps. Or neither, but a...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2026 11:00 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2026 7:07 pm Did that idiot just fail the rape question there?

Who are you referring to, me, Mike, or both of us?

Mike. You laid the trap.

Did that idiot just fail the rape question there?

What do those comments relate to? Certainly nothing I wrote. They refer to whether morality could be eternal/immutable. They don't. They apply to a strawman you have created that nobody cares about. You have no idea what arguments are used by the people who believe moral properties supervene onto n...

What do those comments relate to? Certainly nothing I wrote.

Two swings, two misses. Still you have not bothered to even learn the slightest thing about what you fool yourself you are arguing against. All so you can try to railroad me over something I wrote that wasn't even remotely about you. Do you believe that we humans are/have been immutable over time? ...

Two swings, two misses. Still you have not bothered to even learn the slightest thing about what you fool yourself you are arguing against. All so you can try to railroad me over something I wrote that wasn't even remotely about you.

i do not see how "morality" (clearly species specific) could be created as immutable. You should try reading some philosophy some day, it will broaden your mind. I think I made the context perfectly clear. Immutable/eternal morality FOR MAN possible if MAN ordained to exist as MAN existd....

i do not see how "morality" (clearly species specific) could be created as immutable. You should try reading some philosophy some day, it will broaden your mind. With all due respect, the fact that he's here on this website probably means he's read "some" philosophy. He has abso...

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 5:36 pm i do not see how "morality" (clearly species specific) could be created as immutable.

You should try reading some philosophy some day, it will broaden your mind.

What have you been drinking? Immanuel Can is most definitely going to argue that God is eternal, that his moral positions are unchanging and that moral truth which flows from those sources is immutable. He routinely does argue that without absolute moral fact there can only be anarchy. Not everythi...

[ Within this thread, it is definitely going to be argued that there must be true, certain, eternal immutable moral facts because the alternative is meaningless anarchy. That argument is a bust, it amounts to a claim that there ought to be so therefore there is. I would STRONGLY disagree. Human mor...

Within this thread, it is definitely going to be argued that there must be true, certain, eternal immutable moral facts because the alternative is meaningless anarchy. That argument is a bust, it amounts to a claim that there ought to be so therefore there is. Not quite ought therefore is. Possibly...

Flash, remember I am treating morality as the knowledge. I prefer to use words in accordance with their meanings. I chose a bad example, one that too easily allowed "prudence" to cloud the issue of my claim that DETAILS of a moraal rule might be arbitrary rather than moral. So let's start...